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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 27 20:12:35 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Easy on Wed Jan 27 20:07:32 2010. For example if you had a rug and poured 5 ml of water on it, let it dry, and then licked it you would find that it tasted like a rug.You sound awfully sure of that.... :) I spoke to a real NY pizzeria operator who owns several locations some years ago. According to him, it's mainly the ingredients, oven, and technique. In the absence of these, he suggested that instead of trying to come up with a pale imitation, other regions should try to do their own thing with pizza as best they can. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jan 27 20:14:29 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 27 19:57:55 2010. Because it makes no sense! NYC water doesn't all taste the same. If you taste water at a place with copper pipes it will taste different than at a place with PVC pipes. And the chemicals and metals in waters are generally considered to be undesirable. They can be removed now with filtration systems.And obviously water can taste different. You are wrong that I don't understand that. My point is that pizza dough is put into an oven and any water left is evaporated. What is left behind does not change the taste unless the water is really f'ed up. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 27 20:22:15 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Easy on Wed Jan 27 20:07:32 2010. We're talking about any chemicals left when the water is not there anymore! For example if you had a rug and poured 5 ml of water on it, let it dry, and then licked it you would find that it tasted like a rug. And it would taste the same whether you used NYC water, LA water, or Mexico City water.But a wet rug is not food. Different things in water CAN change the consistency of food, as well as the taste. For example, if you take water with a lot of iron in it, and bake a cake with it, the iron doesn't magically disappear, it's now IN the cake, even though the water is evaporated. If you take water with a high chlorine content, and you put it in bread dough, and bake a loaf of bread with it, do you think the chlorine magically disappears? And so forth. What you said is WRONG. The dough, the cheese, the sauce, the toppings,...all of those are so much more significant than the water that it's ridiculous. How often they clean the oven is very likely more important than the water they use. What temperature they keep their refrigerator, how fresh the ingredients are, which sauce they use, oven temperature, on and on. All of those things OBVIOUSLy effect the taste, quality, and appearance of the pizza. But anything that is in the water in NY, or not in the water in NY (but in it elsewhere) is ALSO in the pizza. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 27 20:29:12 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Easy on Wed Jan 27 20:14:29 2010. NYC water doesn't all taste the same. If you taste water at a place with copper pipes it will taste different than at a place with PVC pipes.PVC pipes are not generally used for the source pipes, they are usually used for the drainage pipes. And of course that is true, it can taste different based on the metal used. And the chemicals and metals in waters are generally considered to be undesirable. They can be removed now with filtration systems. But how many places are filtering their water, either in NY, or ouside? What if it is something in the water straight out of the tap that does make the taste/consistency different in NY? You are wrong to say that that can't be a factor. And obviously water can taste different. You are wrong that I don't understand that. My point is that pizza dough is put into an oven and any water left is evaporated. What is left behind does not change the taste unless the water is really f'ed up. That is false to assume. If there is a high content of "iron" (or fill in a blank of something else) in the water, that does NOT evaporate with the water, only the water evaporates. And those things CAN change to taste....or consistency of the pizza. It's not just taste, it's also consistency. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 27 21:48:41 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 27 20:29:12 2010. There's a reason why crap in water is measured in "parts per MILLION." If there were really a noticeable amount of iron in the water, it'd probably kill people. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 27 21:56:00 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 27 21:48:41 2010. That's why I put "fill in the blank", I am not saying "iron" is causing anything, I am just using it as an example of stuff that can be in water, either in NY, or elsewhere.For example, I had a relative had a lot of iron in their water, it wasn't enough to hurt anyone, but even the grout in her tiles in the bathroom got "rust" on it. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jan 27 22:33:40 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 27 21:56:00 2010. I give up. Believe what you want. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 27 23:57:54 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 27 16:14:51 2010. That photo is not your standard pizza either, that's like the fancy stuff you get in fancier restaurants.Actually that is a photo of the basic Margherita the way it's made in Italy. It's the way a true "Italian Pizza" looks like. Purists eat with a fork and knife. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 28 00:00:10 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 27 16:31:07 2010. It is funny that people have transported water from NY to their locations in an attempt to make a better pizza.It makes sense when you consider that a link to that main Wiki article states that the British used to import NYC tap for their tea. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 28 00:31:02 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 27 19:57:55 2010. I had never noticed it as a child but while visiting NY as a teen in the 80's, I first noticed the pristine nature of NYC tap and described it as "perfumed water" to my uncle. He thought I was crazy and never failed to needle me about "perfumed water" everytime I would drink some. Little did I know at that point that I was right all along about the immaculate nature of our water.Try running some water against the sink and feel the mist. There is nothing else like it anywhere. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 28 00:31:51 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Easy on Wed Jan 27 20:14:29 2010. They can be removed now with filtration systems.Filtration would RUIN it. It doesn't need filtration. That's the whole point. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 28 00:33:47 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 27 20:29:12 2010. What if it is something in the water straight out of the tap that does make the taste/consistency different in NY?Indeed. And NYC tap doesn't only taste different but FEELS different. It's richer. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jan 28 00:37:14 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 28 00:31:02 2010. According to this site NYC water gets a 2 out of 50, with 50 being the best. Better on this one, but hardly great. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jan 28 00:40:12 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 28 00:31:51 2010. Filtration ruins the water, but evaporating it in a pizza oven doesn't? And the "stuff" in water is insignificant to pizza taste compared to the "stuff" in the ingredients. Name one chemical that would come from water that wouldn't already be in the ingredients in a greater amount. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 28 00:41:24 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 28 00:31:02 2010. Actually, NYC's water isn't all that clean. If you drop a Secchi disk into Ashoken, it vanishes only about 13 inches down owing to the turbidity (dissolved mud) ... the "aeration" which occurs at Croton does a lot to help, and most of the dissolved mud and minerals eventually falls out of it on its slow downhill run to the city. It's really that aeration which really makes the difference since NYC water has more dissolved oxygen in it than deep well water ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 28 00:46:26 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Easy on Thu Jan 28 00:40:12 2010. In NYC's case, that would be plutonium ... no joke, there's plutonium and uranium in NYC's water ... not a lot, but enough. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 02:24:47 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 27 23:57:54 2010. Do I know my food or not..... :)http://www.subchat.com/otchat/read.asp?Id=554998 |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 02:27:37 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Easy on Thu Jan 28 00:40:12 2010. Filtration ruins the water, but evaporating it in a pizza oven doesn't?What does that even mean? How is it "ruining water" by evaporating it in an oven? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 02:37:28 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Easy on Thu Jan 28 00:37:14 2010. I really find the fist article hard to believe, and apparently you didn't read this in reference to the first article.Rather than just the cities themselves, we looked at metropolitan areas, which include surrounding counties and suburbs. (This can have a real effect on a place’s score; Chicago, for example, has excellent water but its score is brought down by problems in the outlying areas). That could mean anything, as NY's metro area is huge, and it's already been noted that there are many different sources of water in the Metro area. For example, a lot of the places that use ground water wells are contaminated. For example, my area on Long Island has a problem with ground water on some levels, but there's nothing wrong if you get public water. And on your second list? NYC (note NYC, not "metro area" like your first article), NYC ranked 13th out of all those locations. How is that bad, or "not much better" than the first article? I don't understand. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 02:39:42 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 28 00:41:24 2010. It's really that aeration which really makes the difference since NYC water has more dissolved oxygen in it than deep well waterThat probably has something to do with the "air" in the water I was talking about earlier. Where if you don't run the water a little before getting a glass, you get that white air look. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 02:40:36 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Easy on Wed Jan 27 22:33:40 2010. Believe what YOU want. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 28 03:05:58 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 28 00:41:24 2010. Ashokan water doesn't go through Croton though. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 28 03:30:17 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 02:39:42 2010. If the day ever comes when NYC fixes all those massive leaks in the system, that'll go away. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 28 03:35:35 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 28 03:05:58 2010. Thought it did ... it follows the Thruway south once it gets below New Paltz ... FWIW, New Paltz municipal water is NYC's pipe and in spring and summer, you have to filter the crap out of it because it looks like a chocolate shake sometimes. "turbidity alerts" were part of life in Zoo Paltz ... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 28 03:35:52 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 02:24:47 2010. yeah. i saw your post after i had posted. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 06:57:20 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 02:37:28 2010. That could mean anything, as NY's metro area is huge, and it's already been noted that there are many different sources of water in the Metro area. For example, a lot of the places that use ground water wells are contaminated. For example, my area on Long Island has a problem with ground water on some levels, but there's nothing wrong if you get public water.Just to elaborate on that, many people do still use well water, but most of the ground water is contaminated, so they need filters and purifiers on their wells if they do use it, as otherwise the water is not fit. That is a problem for many people on Long Island, who aren't connected to public water. I also believe there is problems with much of the ground water in New Jersey too, and that's also part of the Metro area, so that piece about the "study" is very important, as that is counted with NY, as it's metro area, but has nothing to do with NYC's water. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jan 28 07:56:22 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Easy on Wed Jan 27 20:14:29 2010. ...unless the water is really f'ed up.You finally got it! (j/k, and NYC water is among the cleanest in the nation) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 28 11:21:08 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 06:57:20 2010. IINM, all water on LI is groundwater (even parts of Queens) so there must be public filtration systems. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 11:26:25 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 28 11:21:08 2010. Yes, all the water comes from groundwater, but there are lots of areas on Long Island, especially as you get to Central suffolk, and eastern suffolk, where homeowners have their own wells, as there are no public water piping. Those are the ones I mean, and most of those wells are contaminated, and you have to have filtration on them. When I first moved here, it was still well water, and it was highly contaminated, there was even gasoline in it. I got a deeper well, which was fine, but the iron content was really high, so much so that white laundry even turned orange. Thankfully they finally put public water in. But there are still many people that use private wells in Suffolk. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 28 11:48:19 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 11:26:25 2010. But what I meant was: Isn't public water the same source? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 28 11:48:55 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 11:26:25 2010. Also: Is metal in the water the kind of thing that a "water softener" takes care of? |
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Posted by f179dj on Thu Jan 28 12:01:22 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 27 23:57:54 2010. Finally, a place where I can slip in this plug.Here are the locations in the US of members cerified by the Associazione Verace Pizza Napoleta to make authenic Neapolitan pizza. AVPN certified pizza |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 13:29:04 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 28 11:48:19 2010. Yes, but of course public water is treated differently then when people have private wells that pumps the water up, which may or may not filter it. Also there are various levels of groundwater too, you can have totally different levels of groundwater, distinct from eachother. The upper levels may be be contaminated, but you may be able to go down 100 more feet, and you have a totally different source.So actually, while it's all ground water, there's different levels. The public source may be much lower than private ones, which tap different sources. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 14:55:36 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 28 11:48:55 2010. What I had wasn't quite as bad as what some other people had. Again, all the wells are at different levels, thus different sources. An aunt I that had gasoline in her water so bad that she couldn't even bathe in it, and had to have bottled water for even cooking, but they had the plan then to extend the pipes for public water, which took a few months, as her street didn't even have it yet.There's a lot of variables involved, and not all ground water is the same. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 28 18:46:32 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by f179dj on Thu Jan 28 12:01:22 2010. Great link. Thanks! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 28 18:52:51 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 13:29:04 2010. Agreed. Wells used for agricultural use are most certainly different from those used for drinking. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 28 21:01:56 2010, in response to Re: Burger King Adding Beer To Menu This Year, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 28 18:52:51 2010. Correct. They can use a well that has water that has more iron in it than if someone uses it for a home. There are many different aquifers on LI, and water in different levels, sometimes with rock between the levels completely separating them. |
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