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Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 30 07:20:06 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 30 01:38:36 2009. Haha! That one hits the spot for me.your pal, Fred |
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Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 30 07:20:12 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Dec 29 21:09:37 2009. I like the Business Section. I read the main section to criticize obvious flaws, like the two articles about Islamic terrorists, which leave out the words "Islam", or "Muslim". |
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Re: 2009 List Of Useful Idiots? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 30 07:23:53 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Useful Idiots?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 30 06:56:00 2009. Haha, "somebody mitout a sense of humor".One of the best WW2 films and one of William Holden's best roles. your pal, Fred |
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Re: 2009 List Of Neo-Right Wingers |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 30 08:12:14 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Neo-Right Wingers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 29 17:47:31 2009. Around here, we even paint the bambis ... no sense stopping the truck every 200 feet. :)Hey, if it's not in the contract... |
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Re: 2009 List Of Stinkers and Unreasonable People |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 30 08:36:05 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Stinkers and Unreasonable People, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Dec 30 02:57:24 2009. So what was Chaney and Bush?What "was" two different people . . . ? Lon Chaney was an actor, that's all I know. He played the Wolf Man. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 30 08:40:35 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Neo-Right Wingers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 29 17:47:31 2009. C'mon . . . the old NORAC signal on the car horn makes 'em bolt. Squirrels, skunks, chipmunks and groundhogs too. |
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Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 30 08:48:55 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Dec 29 18:57:37 2009. I prefer the impartial libertarians, such as Spider-pig.Hmm, CRIPLs instead of CRAPLs. |
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Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 30 09:03:52 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Dec 30 05:24:34 2009. That's conservative.(And I believe in small government, low taxes, I'm for socialized medicine, I think family values are an over-rated disguise for religious mischief, I'm increasingly skeptical about AGW, I'm against the death penalty, and I value human civilization over the socialist-environmentalist conspiracy; if people want to smoke, let 'em, and give me your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.) |
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Re: 2009 List Of Neo-Right Wingers |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 30 16:18:30 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Neo-Right Wingers, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 30 06:48:25 2009. "I'll be wrong again, too. "Well there you go. We've actually found something that we can agree on :) |
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Re: 2009 List Of Useful Idiots? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 30 16:20:35 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Useful Idiots?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 30 06:56:00 2009. Great movie - Peter Graves gets his in the end. |
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Re: 2009 List Of Neo-Right Wingers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 30 16:27:56 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Neo-Right Wingers, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 30 08:12:14 2009. Heh. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 30 16:45:37 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Neo-Right Wingers, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 30 08:40:35 2009. Heh. Plenty of CSX locos go by here every hour with hood ornaments firmly implanted ... next! :) 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 30 17:03:11 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 30 09:03:52 2009. IAWTP |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 30 22:07:38 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Dec 30 06:17:42 2009. Again, common sense will tell you that unless you monitor every single person's contribution, you can't definitively make a statement that B has donated more than A. Best you can say is "based on this sample of X amount of people, B donated more than A". That's not same as saying unequivocally that ALL B donate more than ALL A.your pal, Fred |
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Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 30 23:18:40 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 30 07:20:12 2009. I read the main section to criticize obvious flaws, like the two articles about Islamic terrorists, which leave out the words "Islam", or "Muslim".I called bullshit on that. I note that you still haven't come out of that smelling clean. You're probably a Birkenstock-wearing progressive who puts on an amusing act. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 30 23:50:26 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 30 23:18:40 2009. Yes, he is sort of a caricature of today's rightist fringe. |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Dec 31 00:06:03 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 30 23:18:40 2009. Exhibit of Poe's law? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Dec 31 00:55:06 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 30 22:07:38 2009. Ok, taking the leaders of the conservative/progressive movements may help identify trends in what the majority in those movements are doing, like in a poll.Tax returns: In 2005 the President Bush's income was $618,694. He donated to church's and charities $75,560, 12% of his income. In 2005 VP Cheney's income was $8,819,006. He donated $6,869,655, 77% of his income. In 2008 the Obama's earned $2,600,000 and donated to 37 charities $172,050, 6% of their income. In 2008 the Bidens's earned $269,256 and donated $1,885. less than 1% of their income. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 01:25:42 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 30 22:07:38 2009. Conservatives are more generous for sure. Makes sense. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 31 01:35:55 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 30 23:18:40 2009. Maybe, he's so opposed to something as minor as school lunches that he uses it as evidence "against" me for the list of liberals.I don't get how someone can be (supposedly) in favor of giving children free education but not free meals. The latter are so cheap compared to the former. Why is it that students should be entitled to education but not proper nutrition which actually helps education? Right-wingers are known for their knee-jerk opposition to government policies that don't directly benefit them regardless of the overall impact on society. Some right wingers are education and are fully aware of the consequences of the policies they advocate and I respect their views (and often agree with them), but LuchAAA doesn't seem like one of those. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 31 01:44:40 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Dec 31 00:55:06 2009. The marginal utility of money decreases as income and wealth increase. i.e. The same percent of your money with a higher income is worth less to you. It's the principal justification for a progressive tax scheme.This doesn't explain why Obama donated less than Bush, but otherwise it works out in your example (However your example only looks at income and ignores wealth). |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Dec 31 01:54:10 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 31 01:44:40 2009. Its like Jesus parable of the old widow who gave a few pennies compared to the rich who gave lots of money. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Dec 31 02:02:55 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 30 09:03:52 2009. What I was trying to say is that you can't label yourself a certain political viewpoint becuause then you have to follow every belief in that system like a checklist.I think a person should keep their minds open to each issue and use their thinking ability. Abortion is one of those. So many people who are pro-life don't even have children! And they certainly don't want to adopt all the kids that will exist if abortions are made illegal. I love the enviroment and enjoy taking pictures and hiking up here where I live in Orange. I don't believe in man made global warming but I am not opposed to the federal government keeping corporations from destroying our country either through regulations. I believe welfare/food stamps/SSI are needed for people as a safety net when life takes a unexpected bad turn but I don't beleive it should be a way of life foe generations. I think the death penalty should only be used in cases where there is physical evidence, not on the word of a witness you claimed they saw the crime in a dark alley 300 yards away. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 02:12:41 2009, in response to 2009 List Of Libs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 28 21:50:47 2009. Oh, another thing Spider-Pig did to make him undeserving of being on The List of Liberals, was posting that photo of chicken and chicken bones on the floor of a subway train. He even mentioned "Animal savages". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 31 02:49:23 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Dec 31 01:54:10 2009. Exactly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 31 02:51:32 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Dec 31 02:02:55 2009. What I was trying to say is that you can't label yourself a certain political viewpoint becuause then you have to follow every belief in that system like a checklist.That's not true. Political affiliations are basically averages, nobody expects everyone to agree with any group all of the time. I call myself a classical liberal but I'm in favor of socialized medicine, which is contrary to classical liberalism. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 31 03:01:52 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 02:12:41 2009. I was only doing that as a shout out to you. But I don't see how being against littering and disgusting littering at that somehow makes one not liberal. Are liberals in favor of people throwing out food anywhere they want? |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 31 04:38:26 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Dec 31 00:55:06 2009. For the third time, common sense will tell you that unless you monitor everyone, you can't make an unequivocal statement. I'll repeat this until you get it.Your example is nice, but doesn't prove your point. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 31 04:39:17 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 01:25:42 2009. LOL. bullshit.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 04:48:40 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 31 04:39:17 2009. Real Clear Politics even says so. I don't think anyone would dispute that conservative are more generous than liberals. What would make you think liberals are more generous?http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 04:58:46 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 31 04:39:17 2009. Funny, because if you google "Conservative more........" it fills in the rest with "generous than liberals".When you google "Liberals more............." it fills in "intelligent than conservatives". I don't know if anyone would argue that liberals are more generous. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 31 05:05:33 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 04:48:40 2009. I wouldn't make a statement like that without knowing what EVERYONE donated both in terms of time and money. You're using the same example as Mr Mabstoa, basically.Just because you swear up and down something is so, doesn't make it true. The record shows you personally have difficulty with honest analysis, so you're a wounded pigeon right at the gitgo of this argument. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 31 05:50:28 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 04:58:46 2009. Doesn't change the fact that unless you ASK EVERYONE you're not going to KNOW WHAT EVERYONE IS DOING. I hope this clarifies the point better.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 31 06:02:21 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 30 23:18:40 2009. You're probably a Birkenstock-wearing progressive who puts on an amusing act.Jeff Rosen said something similar here, a long, long time ago. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 07:24:42 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 30 23:18:40 2009. The articles I mentioned are from Saturday's NY Times, and didn't mention "Islam", or "Muslim". So it's not bullshit. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 07:25:33 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 31 05:05:33 2009. EVERYONE? You've never heard of a statistical sampling? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 07:30:25 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 31 01:35:55 2009. I'm not opposed to free lunch. I am opposed to the abuses I see and hear about. Kids who live in a $600,000 home and get free lunch? Kids with $125 sneakers, iPhones, Baby Phat jackets and their parents have satellite television, but they can't send their kids to school with a sandwich? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 31 07:34:24 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 31 03:01:52 2009. Granted the more "liberal" a place is, the more litter seems to be around, as well as graffiti, etc....but that is probably in no means scientific. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 07:35:15 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 31 01:35:55 2009. Be reminded, I am against cutting the free Metrocard program for school kids, even though there are abuses there. And as I said, I'm not totally against free lunch, but there are obvious abuses in the current program. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 07:37:53 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 31 07:34:24 2009. There's even graffiti on the handicapped parking sign at Dunkin Donuts on Woodhaven/63. People in liberal cities feel they're entitled to just throw their garbage where they please. I even posted the pix as proof. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 07:43:31 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 31 01:35:55 2009. Right-wingers are known for their knee-jerk opposition to government policies that don't directly benefit them regardless of the overall impact on society.I actually saw a post on another forum that said "The Health Care Bill does nothing for me, so I'm against it." Wow! It may or may not be bad policy, which is worthy of debate, but to go around evaluating all laws on that basis! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 07:45:20 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 07:43:31 2009. My friend who voted for Obama probably wrote it. He's against it because it wont' benefit him. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 31 07:49:25 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 31 05:05:33 2009. Not scientific, but in my general experience, I have found conservatives more generous than liberals in terms of donation, tips, and many things involving voluntary money.But again, it's very general, and far from scientific. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 31 07:51:17 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 07:30:25 2009. Exactly. It's the "coming to us" crap I hate, not that some needy people get it. Unfortunately, I don't find someone with "Kids with $125 sneakers, iPhones, Baby Phat jackets and their parents have satellite television" to be "needy". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 31 07:51:40 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Neo-Right Wingers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 30 16:45:37 2009. Plenty of CSX locos go by here every hour with hood ornaments firmly implantedHoggers don't see them, or just want to hit 'em (like a lot of truckers on I-80 that smear deer blood all over the asphalt). The old rapid-fire staccato signal works for me; it'll work for them too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 31 07:52:47 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 07:35:15 2009. I am also dead against the cutting of the free Metrocard program. Dead against. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 07:55:33 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 31 07:49:25 2009. Oddly, my family is very generous, and they all vote democrat. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 07:58:02 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 31 06:02:21 2009. Jeff Rosen is more liberal than conservative. A life-long civil servant from Long Island can't be too conservative. I think he just happens to like Dr. Michael Savage, so people figure Rosen is a conservative. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 31 08:01:27 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 07:58:02 2009. He has not hidden his thought on the current administration, and it's not a rosey thought.... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 31 08:08:08 2009, in response to Re: 2009 Center-rightists and partial Libertarians, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 31 08:01:27 2009. I think his frustration comes from the fact that he's a life-long civil servant from Long Island who should vote Dem, wants to vote Dem, but can't because the party has shifted so far to the left.Kind of like you. You're a college-educated Catholic from Queens who voted for Clinton in 1992, and the party has lost your vote b/c they have shifted too far to the left for you. |
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