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When did President Obama change his mind? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Nov 17 20:31:15 2009 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:45:37 2009, in response to When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Nov 17 20:31:15 2009. The fact is, barry o'bummer will use sheik kalid muhammad to put George Bush, Dick Cheney, The CIA and waterboarding on trial. If the terrorists go free, that'll just be the cost of his political witch hunt. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:46:57 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:45:37 2009. By the way, I just can't wait to hear bing-bong, selkook, itallion scallion and smaz spin this one. They are going to get each other dizzy. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 17 20:55:08 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:45:37 2009. However, consider:1. A state of war was never technically declared. 2. The attacks were on civilian targets. How can one justify other than a civilian trial using those facts? The terrorists will not go free, because Miranda rights, torture standards, speedy trials, etc., don't apply to those with no legal status in the USA or to those arrested outside the USA. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 17 20:55:34 2009, in response to When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Nov 17 20:31:15 2009. When he realized that no state of war was technically declared. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 20:56:17 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:46:57 2009. Well ... since ya invited me and all ... One of the things one SHOULD have learned when observing rotating machinery is to wait until it comes to a complete stop before putting your limbs near it. I'll wait. :)But for YOUR protection, we'll hang a sign. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:57:48 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 17 20:55:08 2009. For the simple reason that they were not captured on US Soil. By the way, they were Merandized at Gitmo. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:59:18 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 20:56:17 2009. Spin to your heart's content. I'm safely on the other side of the blue line - watching. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Nov 17 21:00:53 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 17 20:55:34 2009. You mean that he didn't realize that when he was a U.S. Senator? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 21:03:35 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Nov 17 21:00:53 2009. Well, Jeff, in fairness to Barry, he wasn't a senator all that long. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 21:12:32 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:59:18 2009. The BLUE line? Say it ain't so ... you've gone lib'rul on us all now? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 17 21:22:03 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:45:37 2009. That's what the left has come to. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 17 21:23:14 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 21:03:35 2009. Thats why he is clueless as president too. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 21:23:45 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 17 21:22:03 2009. Heh. No lockstep madness on the right, that's for sure. :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 21:28:29 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 21:23:45 2009. See - ya can't even discuss an issue - just bash the right. Why don't you just try one to make a cogent argument to refute the statement. I may not agree but I'd respect the effort a hell of a lot more. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 17 21:34:58 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 21:23:45 2009. Can't defend your side, so you bring up the other. That's a sign of a lost argument. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Nov 17 21:39:28 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 17 21:34:58 2009. LOLyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 21:48:31 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 21:28:29 2009. What "issue?" How can anyone refute bullshit? Where's the PROFF that Obama's going to set KSM loose? Where's the PROFF that Obama is even going to be his lawyer? Sheesh. You could HAVE a debate if you ever brought anything besides innuendo, slogans and doublespeak to the table.Have you so little faith in the law that you really believe that this guy's gonna get put on the LIRR to Ronkonkama? Actually, that'd be justice. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 21:50:37 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Fred G on Tue Nov 17 21:39:28 2009. 
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Posted by Phantom909 on Tue Nov 17 21:51:14 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Fred G on Tue Nov 17 21:39:28 2009. He never really changed his mind. Everything before the election, he acted as a moderate during the campaign. Once elected he unleashed his radical left agenda on us.Joe |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Nov 17 21:54:08 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:57:48 2009. If they were Mirandised at Gitmo,or anywhere along the way between there and here,they are entitled to a civilian trial. POWs do not get Miranda rights. Since they aren't POWs (they'd have to be members of a standing combatant army to be so) they are foreigners under arrest by the US law enforcement.Question is, were they Martinized? If so, was it one-hour or three-hour? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 21:56:16 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 21:48:31 2009. maybe it's not your lack of understanding but your inability to read. Where did I say obummer would let him go? You really gotta do better that this kev. This ain't Miss Piggy Chat. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 22:03:32 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 21:56:16 2009. Miss Piggy Chat? Now THAT would be an intellectual exercise ...Your poser: The fact is, barry o'bummer will use sheik kalid muhammad to put George Bush, Dick Cheney, The CIA and waterboarding on trial. If the terrorists go free, that'll just be the cost of his political witch hunt. Read it just fine. What is there to refute other than a chain of words adding up to bullshit? Have you any EVIDENCE? Even a bad order tag will suffice ... until then, any "argument" would be no more than pissing into the wind. Get back to us after you wipe your shoes. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 22:05:22 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by bingbong on Tue Nov 17 21:54:08 2009. Definitions of Mirandize on the Web:A Miranda warning is a warning given by police to criminal suspects in police custody, or in a custodial situation, before they are interrogated. A custodial situation is one in which the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained although he or she is not under arrest. ... Sorry but perhaps it's you who is phonically challanged. Mirandized is spelled with a (Z) and not with an (S). As for your little attempt at wit - you get a one tee-hee out of a possible ten. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 22:10:05 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 22:03:32 2009. obummer and the loony liberal left have been on a witch hunt to get Bush, Cheney, the CIA and waterboarding - likely to deflect from obama's failing domestic programmes and his diving popularity. I didn't say they intended to let the terrorists go. I said that if they lost the case and the terrorists were set free, it would just be the cost of their gambit. Unfortunately, the only bullshit is the stuff between your ears. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Nov 17 22:13:18 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 22:05:22 2009. The Miranda warning is not given to POWs during a war. Geneva Convention rules apply there.Therefore they are not POWs. Even bush knew that. Sheesh. It's not spelled 'Merandized' either. Substituting 's' for 'z' was completely acceptable throughout college. I usually default-use the 's' when I'm not sure and don't feel I want/need/care to check the spelling. This is not a dissertation. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 22:15:59 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 22:10:05 2009. Heh. No, that's HORSE shit ... we already spread the cow shit. But you STILL fail to bring any evidence to the table, so there's nothing to discuss. Personally, I think that the plot to "get" Bush is the ancient Mayans who are going to broil Palin in 2012 ... makes every bit as much sense as what you're saying, but I'm not expecting others to agree. :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 22:23:36 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by bingbong on Tue Nov 17 22:13:18 2009. Well, at least you are consistent.Well, at least you are consistent. Well, at least you are consistent. Consistently wrong, that is |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 22:27:28 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 22:15:59 2009. I see the meldown for you will come early tonight |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 17 22:28:28 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:57:48 2009. Guantanamo is technically not USA territory either; we simply have a lease on that area with 24 years to go on it (the 99 year lease was signed in 1934 with Fulgencio Batista). But that they were captured outside of USA soil renders any other rights normally afforded to Americans irrelevant. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 17 22:30:12 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Nov 17 21:00:53 2009. Obama wasn't around for that vote; Patrick Fitzgerald was holding the seat at the time. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Nov 17 22:34:47 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 22:23:36 2009. I would love to know what is inconsistent with saying they are not POWs over and over again, tenaciously attempting to overcome your comprehension block. Even bush knew that, your ABC link (the only one of the three that wasn't a 404....mighty inconsistent of you) said so as well. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 22:35:34 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 22:27:28 2009. Heh. I'll follow a Fox News link when you follow one of my links to say ... oh ... I dunno ... MSNBC? :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 22:38:56 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by bingbong on Tue Nov 17 22:34:47 2009. Never bother droids with facts ... they don't KNOW that it isn't really bacon. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Nov 17 22:39:36 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 17 22:28:28 2009. Actually, it is, as any US military installation is considered native soil. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 17 22:49:35 2009, in response to When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Nov 17 20:31:15 2009. 1. This has already been posted.2. When he realized, as all new Presidents do, that governing is a lot different than being a candidate. BTW, Bush himself, in 2006, said Gitmo should be closed down and the inmates tried in civilian trials. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 17 22:55:06 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:45:37 2009. Just freaking dumb of you. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 17 22:57:58 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 20:45:37 2009. Fact is, none of the torture stuff will be in the trial. If the Feds use any evidence drawn out by torture, KSM will move to have it suppressed. Holder said there's plenty of non-torture- driven evidence that the Feds have on KSM.. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 23:00:28 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 17 22:55:06 2009. My, my, my, calhoun in a full blown selkirk meltdown. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 23:03:33 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 17 22:57:58 2009. The real question is why, when other terrorists are being tried via military tribunals, why is holder so determined to try these terrorists in a civilian court? Answer, because Holder wants to make Bush, Cheney, CIA and Waterboarding and not the 9/11 attacks, the realissue. If he loses the case. He can then blame the policies of Bush, Cheney, CIA and Waterboarding. Get it? |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Nov 17 23:06:25 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 23:03:33 2009. Diabolical! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 23:19:44 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 23:03:33 2009. Absolutely diabolical but do you disagree. If so, why? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 23:21:38 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 17 23:06:25 2009. Absolutely diabolical but do you disagree? If so, why? |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Nov 17 23:25:36 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 23:21:38 2009. I haven't really followed it, but I suspect that they want him tried in a civilian court for just the opposite reason. They think that they have a strong case and can get a conviction. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 17 23:46:45 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 23:03:33 2009. Those acts occurred against military targets; these particular ones used civilian craft against civilian targets. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 00:08:25 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 23:03:33 2009. You are so full of it. He wants to do it because it shows we have a system that can fairly try even murderous terrorists, and convict them. Period. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 00:08:41 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 17 23:25:36 2009. Bingo! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 02:13:49 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Phantom909 on Tue Nov 17 21:51:14 2009. That's exactly what happened. It's like a dog that ran out of the house, and is now loose on the street, and completely out of control as you try and catch him. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 03:47:41 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 22:35:34 2009. He gets on these Asperger Repetition Cycles and repeats the same supposed zingers over and over until he finds a new one.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 03:51:57 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by bingbong on Tue Nov 17 22:34:47 2009. They are now POW's but under Bush they were not, since they would have been entitled to rights under the Geneva Convention. There were 5 stipulations bandied about here, not fighting for an established nation, no uniform etc. Now they've changed their minds.your pal, Fred |
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