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It's easy, once you find the runway! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 16 19:32:16 2008 American Airlines MD-11 looking for JFK's Runway 13 Left. Nice cockpit approach once they get it together...lol! |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Dec 16 20:08:15 2008, in response to It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 16 19:32:16 2008. Now try finding the runway in the dark ! LOLBill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 16 20:14:17 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Dec 16 20:08:15 2008. When I lived in Far Rock last year (right under the JFK 4-22 approach path) I used to occasionally see planes groping their way through Rockaways' legendary pea soup fog. I was on an (A) train between Howard Beach and Broad Channel at night in fog so bad we couldn't see the lights of JFK or the North Channel Bridge, usually plainly visible in clear weather. Suddenly a huge jet (possibly an A340) boomed right over us in a Cat III minimums approach. I swear he left tire marks from his landing gear on the roof of our train...lol! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 16 20:59:26 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Dec 16 20:08:15 2008. Here you go!Or how about this one*? * I would have embedded it if the owner allowed it to be embedded. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Tue Dec 16 23:58:10 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 16 20:59:26 2008. Thanks. That was excellent. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Tue Dec 16 23:58:30 2008, in response to It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 16 19:32:16 2008. Great video. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 00:25:07 2008, in response to It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 16 19:32:16 2008. Very cool. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 01:42:48 2008, in response to It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 16 19:32:16 2008. Love the title "Severe Clear".I'm in a hotel in NC, driving back to Florida, after walking out of JFK fearing for my life. I booked a flight figuring it's easier to fly 3 hours to Tampa instead of driving for two days, but I just don't trust the airlines, personnel, and the NY airports in particular. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 01:47:59 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 01:42:48 2008. Wow. I just checked jetblue.com flight status, and flights 28 and 29 were on time even with an ice storm crippling NY. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 01:52:41 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 16 20:59:26 2008. Notice how bumpy the ride was. How can anyone see those fucking lights on a night like tonight? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 02:02:21 2008, in response to It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 16 19:32:16 2008. Hmmm. Just thinking, these guys need to be reported to the FAA for a refresher. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 17 04:43:10 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 01:47:59 2008. haha, you got pwn3d |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 17 04:56:21 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 02:02:21 2008. Nah, they were just unfamiliar with the ROCKS approach...lol! |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Dec 17 09:46:49 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Dec 16 20:08:15 2008. I thought it was easier to spot those runway lights at night? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 10:56:01 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 17 04:43:10 2008. True. But I'm happy those people got where they're going safely. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 17 11:14:46 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 01:42:48 2008. I'm in a hotel in NC, driving back to Florida, after walking out of JFK fearing for my life. I booked a flight figuring it's easier to fly 3 hours to Tampa instead of driving for two days, but I just don't trust the airlines, personnel, and the NY airports in particular.You really do need to learn some statistics. 40,000 people die every year on the roads in the US. Say over half of those are their own damn fault (drunk, careless, tired, etc.). That leaves 15K due to being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Let's say every one of 300 million American rides 10K miles per year (that's high). That means 3 trillion passenger miles per year. So 15K unavoidable deaths per 3 trillion passenger miles, which is 5 per billion or 0.5 per 100 million. So for the 1000 miles to FL, you have a 1 in 200,000 chance of dying if you drive carefully. That doesn't sound like much, but consider that if you do the drive 500 times in your entire life (10 times a year for 50 years), it becomes a 1 in 400 chance of dying in your car. Commercial airplanes have 0.01 deaths per 100 million passenger miles. So for the 1000 miles to FL you have 1 chance in 10 million of dying. |
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Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 11:19:40 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 17 11:14:46 2008. Nicely written.Essentialy, there have been zero deaths due to scheduled commercial airline flights in the United States for over six years. This does not include corporate aircraft or small charter planes. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:21:39 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 17 11:14:46 2008. True. But many of the airline stats are based on 100,000 miles of flying. They play with the numbers. I still feel safer on the ground. I tried to get on the plane. Actually made it to the gate. But some things spooked me. Mainly, the fact that the kid working at ticket counter could not turn off the alarm that kept going off. I figured if JetBlue workers can't even turn off an annoying alarm, how can they keep a metal tube flying at 7 miles in the sky? So I darted out of there. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 11:26:02 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:21:39 2008. Have you thought about getting therapy (seriously)? There are programs that help desensitize you to it.Otherwise, ride Amtrak! We want to support the rails! |
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Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:34:27 2008, in response to Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 11:19:40 2008. Not true. There was a flight in Lexington, KY that crashed in 2006, killing everyone on board, b/c the pilots were on the wrong runway, while talking gossip, instead of realizing their mistake. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 17 11:34:45 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:21:39 2008. Mainly, the fact that the kid working at ticket counter could not turn off the alarm that kept going off. I figured if JetBlue workers can't even turn off an annoying alarm, how can they keep a metal tube flying at 7 miles in the sky?Maybe their pilots get a bit more training than their ticket counter people? Seriously, flying in a commerical airplane has become a totally unpleasant experience for many reasons. And every now and then a pilot or ground controller screws up and kills a few hundred people. But it's so incredible rare. Of the people I know who have died violent deaths, most of the deaths have been partially or wholly self-caused (principally suicide and an enjoyment of climbing dangerous mountains). But of those who died unnaturally through absolutely no fault of their own, one was a pedestrian killed by a car, one was a bicyclist killed by a truck, one was a passenger killed in the car she was riding in, and one was murdered. No plane crash victims in the bunch. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:35:18 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 11:26:02 2008. I might take Amtrak next time. Problem is, their sleeper cars are just too expensive. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:36:17 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 17 11:34:45 2008. Their pilots rent apartments in Queens, and gave me the middle finger when operating a battery run on the F, so this is another reason not to fly at all. |
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Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 11:36:53 2008, in response to Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:34:27 2008. Not a scheduled commercial airliner flight. Different category. If you're flying any of the commercial airlines, your probability of dying in the last six years was basically zero.Your type of fear is one that's not rational, but is treatable. |
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Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway! |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 17 11:38:26 2008, in response to Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:34:27 2008. And since the beginning of 2006, 120,000 Americans have died by motor vehicle. At least a third of those died absolutely through no fault of carelessness of their own.I know I've had at least one close call in a car. At combined speeds of 130 mph (i.e., 65 mph heading in opposite directions), the car coming the other way suddenly spun out on a curve (he was probably actually going 80 - it wasn't such a bad curve) and missed the car I was in by a foot or two. But I've never had a close call in a plane. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Dec 17 11:41:17 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:36:17 2008. Real logical...NOT |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 11:48:35 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:35:18 2008. Agreed; sleepers charge a premium. |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Dec 17 12:28:41 2008, in response to Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 11:36:53 2008. Not a scheduled commercial airliner flight.You are mistaken. It was Delta flight 5191 from Lexington to Atlanta that crashed when the pilots mistakenly used the wrong runway for take-off. The runway they chose was too short for them to get airborne -- all 47 passengers were killed. |
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Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 12:35:17 2008, in response to Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by Charles G on Wed Dec 17 12:28:41 2008. I stand corected then.Prior to that, your chances were zero. However, if you were flying a large commercial jet (737 or A319 or larger) there have still been zero deaths for over six years. |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Dec 17 12:43:17 2008, in response to Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 12:35:17 2008. Prior to that, your chances were zeroNo. There was also an American flight that crashed near Kirksville, Missouri in 2004, killing a dozen or so passengers as well. Before that, there was a US Airways flight in 2003 that crashed into a hangar in Charlotte NC killing all 19 passengers. However, if you were flying a large commercial jet (737 or A319 or larger) there have still been zero deaths for over six years. That statement is true as long as you caveat it with the phrase "Within the United States". |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Dec 17 12:46:32 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:21:39 2008. I figured if JetBlue workers can't even turn off an annoying alarm, how can they keep a metal tube flying at 7 miles in the sky? So I darted out of there.Given that your flight took off and landed safely (and the fact that JetBlue safely operates hundreds of flights each day without incident), perhaps it is your figuring that is faulty? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 14:20:02 2008, in response to Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by Charles G on Wed Dec 17 12:43:17 2008. Yes, agreed. I had forgotten about those other two commuter jobs.I think Canada has had only one major crash in 5-6 years...wasn't the last one an MD-11 that failed an emergency approach to Pearson International in Toronto? |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Dec 17 14:54:05 2008, in response to Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 14:20:02 2008. There was an Air France flight that went off the runway in a storm in Toronto, broke apart and caught fire back in 2006. There were incredibly no fatalities. The plane was an A-340.Perhaps that is what you are thinking of. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 17 15:14:07 2008, in response to Re: Relative risk: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by Charles G on Wed Dec 17 14:54:05 2008. OK, so that makes two. There was an MD-11 crash at Toronto, because I read about it. Maybe it was cargo... |
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Posted by MJF on Wed Dec 17 18:37:37 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 11:36:17 2008. I've been flipped off by other drivers on NYC area highways. Should I stay off the L.I.E. now? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 17 20:14:23 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Dec 16 20:08:15 2008. One of the smoothest landings I ever had was on a short runway at NY's LaGuardia Airport during a severe storm with lightning. You couldn't see a thing out the side window until the plane came almost to a complete halt. I kept repeating my prayers and I guess someone heard them. You couldn't have asked for a better landing.Contrast this with an El Al landing in Tel Aviv during perfect weather. After a few bounces up and down on the runway, the brakes screeched so much, I thought we weren't going to stop on time. We did just a few feet before the end of the runway. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 23:36:49 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by MJF on Wed Dec 17 18:37:37 2008. That makes no sense. My story does. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 00:02:32 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 17 04:56:21 2008. What if they say the Concorde at Floyd Bennett, thought it was an active airport, and tried to land there? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 00:20:19 2008, in response to It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 16 19:32:16 2008. British pilot hits cow during emergency landingBuzz Up Send Email IM Share Digg Facebook Newsvine del.icio.us Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print Wed Dec 17, 9:04 pm ETLONDON – A British pilot said he ran into an unusual hazard while making an emergency landing — a cow. Rob Wotton said he was trying to land his World War II-era Tiger Moth after the engine stalled just after takeoff southwest of London on Sept. 14. He was about to touch down in a field when the animal wandered into his way. Video of the event on YouTube shows the brown-and-white cow being knocked to the ground by the plane's lower left wing. The two-seater was damaged but landed safely. An accident report said the cow was "apparently uninjured." Wotton said he might paint a cow on the plane to mark the event. He says: "I have to say it is the first cow I have ever hit in 22 years' flying." ___ On the Net: Accident Report (PDF): http://tinyurl.com/4tlltn |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 00:23:49 2008, in response to It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 16 19:32:16 2008. All this talk about planes got me thinking about Quantas. Airline has a perfect record, and now they're having all these odd incidents.What religion is active in terrorism in Australia? Hmmmmmm. Maybe they should do more of a background check on the employees who work on the aircraft. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 18 01:04:50 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 17 23:36:49 2008. No it doesn't. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 18 01:07:00 2008, in response to A-hole Pilot Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 00:20:19 2008. How is he an a-hole if a cow wandered onto the runway? If anyone is a so-called "a-hole," it's the cow. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Dec 18 01:32:53 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 00:02:32 2008. Longest runway at Floyd Bennett is 7,000 feet (same as LaGuardia). In an emergency, the Concorde could land there. You'd want it to land at the beginning of the runway and hit thrust reversrs ASAP.A takeoff from there is feasible too. While the Concorde needs a higher takeoff speed that a 747, with afterburners lit this would not be a problem. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Dec 18 02:03:51 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by MJF on Wed Dec 17 18:37:37 2008. LOL! One time, my cab driver taking me home from LaGuardia had a long conversation on the Grand Central Parkway with the driver driving alongside him in the next lane. The two drivers were comparing each others' mothers' ancestries; how they were going to ram some object up each others anuses; how each other's wives were ugly whores who had to pay men to bang them; and so on.Remind me not to take his cab again. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 02:34:39 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 18 01:04:50 2008. Using MJF's rationale, I should've stayed off the subways b/c I was given the middle finger. It never crossed my mind. The fact that it happened to be a pilot who gave me the finger caused concern about airline safety. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 02:35:13 2008, in response to Re: A-hole cow Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 18 01:07:00 2008. He's an asshole for flying such old equipment. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Dec 18 06:14:32 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 02:34:39 2008. The pilot was a passenger. Using your logic, you should be concerned for your safety from the riding public.And you took your own advice. You quit the TA. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 18 06:15:03 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by MJF on Thu Dec 18 06:14:32 2008. Ummm, he got fired. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Dec 18 06:17:21 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 18 06:15:03 2008. Nah. I'm beginning to think he quit. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 18 06:18:00 2008, in response to Re: It's easy, once you find the runway!, posted by MJF on Thu Dec 18 06:14:32 2008. Yep ... nothing does more for morale in the Teeyay than a flying bottle with your name on it, a crazy with a knife cutting your uniform, or heaven forfend, the "bird of paradise" foisted upon your bod. :)Imagine the trauma of a DAN and a trip downtown without benefit of a job number for the interval! Heh. Sorry ... if I had a token for every "cheering customer" I passed with two toots, repeated, I could buy eBay! |
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