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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 02:59:42 2008 That's what some charged with law enforcement in Michigan seem to think. Ever heard of the Fourteenth Amendment, guys? No, it hasn't been repealed. No, this kind of stuff cannot be borne or justified by any American.Global Politician
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 31 07:13:32 2008, in response to Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 02:59:42 2008. When the lawsuit is filed (on constitutional grounds)...this person should use Baker v. California as his basis. And you wonder why the race for President matters so much...which way would the justice that replaces John Paul Stevens go? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 31 08:23:39 2008, in response to Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 02:59:42 2008. In NY he would have been tried as an adult as a juvenile is under 17 or 16 & under in NYS. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 31 08:44:47 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 31 08:23:39 2008. Heck...this state has sent away a 13-year old for a potential life sentence (Eric Smith, denied parole at least twice). |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Aug 31 09:28:51 2008, in response to Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 02:59:42 2008. kauffman?Apparently the similarities between parts of Michigan and Philly become more numerous by the day. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Aug 31 11:21:01 2008, in response to Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 02:59:42 2008. This is one of the reasons I oppose such legislations and will NEVER vote "guilty" if I am ever on a jury in a case where someone is charged with a "hate crime" no matter what. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 16:39:20 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by BMTLines on Sun Aug 31 11:21:01 2008. It's a real wonder that such laws that flout the 14th Amendment (and are therefore unconstitutional) ever make it through state legislatures. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 31 17:05:44 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 16:39:20 2008. It's even worse than that. Since the color of the victims were white, this story got almost no national coverage. And even white people would be afraid to challenge a hate crimes law for fear of looking racist. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 31 17:07:25 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 31 07:13:32 2008. Another reason to vote for McCain. Obama would flood the courts with judges who think that hate crimes actually don't apply to whites. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 31 18:16:52 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 31 17:07:25 2008. However...can McCain get such a judge past Democrats in the Senate? Likely such a nominee won't even get a floor vote (being killed in committee).The Senate is likely to be as much as 60-40 Democrats for the next Congress, more likely 59-41 if Dole can hold off a Democratic challenger. Otherwise, the Democrats have a filibuster-proof Senate. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 31 18:17:44 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 31 17:07:25 2008. That was actually a trick statement...Obama wouldn't want to reverse Baker either...and remember SCOTUS has also ruled the other way with the same court in Weber. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 31 18:39:21 2008, in response to Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 02:59:42 2008. Your headline is pretty irrelevant. The attackers got light sentences because the state of Michigan tried them as juveniles, not because some county sheriff decided that whites aren't protected by hate crime laws.The crimes committed are vicious enough that the attackers could have received very long sentences if they had been tried as adults, even if they weren't tried for any hate crimes. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 19:24:22 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 31 18:39:21 2008. Your headline is pretty irrelevantNo, it actually is not. The attackers got light sentences because the state of Michigan tried them as juveniles, not because some county sheriff decided that whites aren't protected by hate crime laws "Some county sheriff" was pressed on the matter of the fourteenth amendment versus hate crime laws (whereupon there should not be a "versus"), and this was his on-the-record reply (creating the "versus"). Especially relating to the entire incident. So the headline centers around that POV by that county sheriff more than the incident. The crimes committed are vicious enough that the attackers could have received very long sentences if they had been tried as adults, even if they weren't tried for any hate crimes That is true indeed. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Aug 31 19:36:19 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 19:24:22 2008. Sounds like the sheriff is an idiot, but wouldn't you have to ultimately blame the DA? His/her comments would probably be very rel event. It's possible that there wasn't evidence of a hate crime and that black people were also attacked by the mob. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 31 19:50:14 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 31 17:05:44 2008. However...as is always the case, someone is going to try. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Aug 31 21:24:04 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 31 08:44:47 2008. 350,000! |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Aug 31 23:17:06 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by BMTLines on Sun Aug 31 11:21:01 2008. The whole concept of a hate crime is asinine. If someone swings a baseball bat at you it doesn't matter whether they did it for the hell of it or because of your race. The damage is the same. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 31 23:21:41 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Aug 31 23:17:06 2008. nope |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Aug 31 23:37:24 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 31 23:21:41 2008.
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 31 23:41:24 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Aug 31 23:37:24 2008.
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 1 01:12:29 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Aug 31 23:17:06 2008. IAWTP |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 1 01:13:24 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 31 23:21:41 2008. yes |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 1 01:13:36 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 1 01:13:24 2008. I mean: nope |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Sep 1 09:37:34 2008, in response to Re: Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 1 01:13:36 2008. lol |
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