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13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:05:35 2007

Talk about political correctness running amok;

MASCOUTAH, Ill. (AP) Two hugs equal two days of after-school detention for 13-year-old Megan Coulter. She's an eighth-grader at Mascoutah Middle School, east of St. Louis. She received the punishment for violating a school policy banning public displays of affection. She served the first suspension yesterday, and plans to serve the second today. Megan says she was just giving two friends a hug goodbye for the weekend. But School District Superintendent Sam McGowen says he thinks the penalty is fair. He says school administrators were following the policy contained in the student handbook. Megan's parents plan to ask the school board to consider making the policy more specific in what is considered a display of affection.

No need to check this with snopes as the report is accurate!

http://www.wjbc.com/wire2/news/08754_HuggingpunishWEB_114025.htm


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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 7 18:14:26 2007, in response to 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:05:35 2007.

Well, it did come from the wire...why should I doubt it?

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:19:31 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 7 18:14:26 2007.

You need to learn to read better. I said that you didn't need to check it with snopes.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Nov 7 18:22:54 2007, in response to 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:05:35 2007.

Sam McGowan should be fired and barred from working in any school system ever again. He is a shame to our society and should not be in a position of power.

If America had balls, it would end zero tolerance policies. Funny that we never hear of these coming out of the rest of the first world :(.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by BMTLines on Wed Nov 7 18:56:14 2007, in response to 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:05:35 2007.

More zero tolerance rules run amok!!



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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 7 19:00:04 2007, in response to 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:05:35 2007.

for violating a school policy banning public displays of affection.

Insane! I wonder what led to this kind of law, public displays run amok? "Get a room" kinda stuff? Anyway this looks like some common sense could have prevailed, but they went by the book.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Nov 7 19:53:47 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by BMTLines on Wed Nov 7 18:56:14 2007.

And yet the public backlash against zero tolerance laws that could lead to their repeal does not exist :(.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 7 20:17:02 2007, in response to 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:05:35 2007.

Can't be having teenies knocked up now, can we now that the rubbers dispenser's been removed and replaced with a carrot stick dispenser. After all, first comes hugs, then comes sex ... gotta protect the little ones from their hormones. :-\

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 7 20:34:41 2007, in response to 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:05:35 2007.

Usually when I read something like this I ask myself what did the article conveniently leave out to sell more papers? There usually is more to the story such as for example that they were warned beforehand about the rule and hugged anyway just to be a test case.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 7 21:39:45 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Nov 7 19:53:47 2007.

Because people in this country are so unnaturally obsessed with limiting sex.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Nov 7 21:44:55 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 7 21:39:45 2007.

I meant zero tolerance laws period. Besides, people survived fine with them 20 years ago, they'd survive today.

Fuck the Puritans. They're long dead and buried, it's time to join the 21st Century like America Plus and America Jr. did a long time ago.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 7 22:43:06 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Nov 7 21:44:55 2007.

The Puritans are alive and well ... google "republican party." :)

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by BIE on Wed Nov 7 23:38:56 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 7 20:34:41 2007.

We need a "shadow" authority to summarily delete the credentials of any authority figure caught acting in this manner. Go pick up trash.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 7 23:44:56 2007, in response to 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:05:35 2007.

Well, there are how many thousands of school superintendents in the US?

Assuming a bell curve, some will be brilliant, most will be average in ability, and some will be low-grade morons who, if they jumped out a window to commit suicide, would have to stop to ask for directions halfway to the ground.

Apparently, this cretin is one of the latter.

Which is also why he made the wire service.



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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 7 23:46:36 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Nov 7 21:44:55 2007.

What's interesting about the Puritans is that, within their community, they discussed sex very openly.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 8 09:54:40 2007, in response to 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:05:35 2007.

Is this political correctness or a different political influence . . . ?

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Nov 8 11:10:01 2007, in response to 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:05:35 2007.

This isn't PC. it's thought-control!

It's not bad enough that after school, they make you scared shitless to even talk to the opposite sex at work or else you'd get fired. How many fraternization policies and meetings do these companies have to put on everyyear. But now we have to get 'em while they're young.

I had a meeting one time, and I shit you not, the HR manager suggested that you just not talk to people in the office, because you may make a joke or comment, and someone could overhear you, get offended, and you'd get in trouble!

But I should get into the GOP public versus private debate here. Where they go it's okey for a company to ban smoking, but not the gov't as your employer. As retarded as that sounds, I think this should apply to this story. Is the pregnancy rate at this school through the roof or something for this type of policy?

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by BMTLines on Thu Nov 8 12:21:11 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 7 21:39:45 2007.

Because people in this country are so unnaturally obsessed with limiting sex.


When it comes to sex we are a nation of HYPOCRITES. The same people who advocate all kinds of restrictions are probably surfing the net for porn every day.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Nov 8 12:30:31 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 7 20:34:41 2007.

Or where the rule came from. Ie, what type of "activities" goes on in the school. Unless this is one of these nutcase districts where overconcerned parents have too much say in policy.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 8 14:11:01 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Nov 7 21:44:55 2007.

Zero tolerance=zero intelligence, because nobody wants to make any decisions, you can always just hide behind a strictly constructed rule.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 8 14:22:04 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Nov 8 11:10:01 2007.

If the pregnancy rate is through the roof, then the school should give out free birth control. They should also repeal parental notification/consent laws for abortions. To those I'm damn opposed. Damn, damn, damn opposed!

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Nov 8 14:50:33 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 8 14:22:04 2007.

Why then don't more Americans think like you? Why couldn't we have someone like you try to do what Bush has tried to do, if it was someone like you it'd be for the common good.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 8 15:32:07 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 8 14:22:04 2007.

If the pregnancy rate is through the roof, then the school should give out free birth control

Already been tried. Doesn't stop HIV transmission.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 8 15:33:26 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 7 22:43:06 2007.

They're not that Puritan. The Puritans actually killed their own, literally.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 8 15:34:29 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by BMTLines on Thu Nov 8 12:21:11 2007.

Hmm, accusation based on conjecture.

The hypocrisy crosses many other dimensions, notwithstanding.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 8 15:35:30 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Nov 8 14:50:33 2007.

Why then don't more Americans think like you?

How many more do you want? So many already do.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Nov 8 15:45:16 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 8 15:35:30 2007.

Doesn't seem like it from what comes out of Washington.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 8 15:58:29 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Nov 8 15:45:16 2007.

Try focusing on actions instead of words.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Nov 8 16:55:37 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by BMTLines on Thu Nov 8 12:21:11 2007.

Some certainly do.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Fred G on Thu Nov 8 18:25:14 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by BMTLines on Thu Nov 8 12:21:11 2007.

And wearing a dress while they do it. Not just some Ma Hunkle housedress either. Some slinky little black number with sequins and some of that glue on rhinestone shit and...oh.

Well I hear tell anyway.

your pal,
Freda

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Easy on Thu Nov 8 18:33:47 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 7 20:34:41 2007.

I saw this young girl on CNN last night and the school did warn students in a general assembly, but not this girl specifically about the policy. The girl brought up another assembly where students were told "hugs not drugs" as evidence of the schools inconsistency.

Interestingly it's the second offense that gets you suspended. They counted each of her successive hugs as 1st and 2nd offenses even though one was right after the other. The school principal mentioned something nonsensical about hugs leading to pregnancy.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Forest Glen on Thu Nov 8 19:33:58 2007, in response to 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 7 18:05:35 2007.

Wait till the ACLU hears about this.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 8 20:30:07 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Easy on Thu Nov 8 18:33:47 2007.

lol

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Nov 8 20:38:18 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 8 15:33:26 2007.

I think you've proven my point there. :)

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by BIE on Fri Nov 9 01:51:38 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 8 15:35:30 2007.

There aren't enough to counteract the ASSHOLE prudes.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Nov 9 03:16:19 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 8 14:22:04 2007.

They should also repeal parental notification/consent laws for abortions.

An abortion is a medical procedure. What makes it so special? As with all other procedures a doctor cannot treat or operate on a minor without parental consent.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 9 10:33:17 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by BMTLines on Fri Nov 9 03:16:19 2007.

An abortion is a medical procedure. What makes it so special?

Because childbirth is also a medical procedure, however the consequences of childbirth are more severe. If anything, parental consent should be required if a girl fails to get an abortion. A parent has no right to force his/her daughter to have a child and raise it for 18 years.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 9 10:39:39 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 9 10:33:17 2007.

I should also add that especially among teenagers, the medical risks for childbirth are greater than those for an abortion, so failure to get an abortion is placing the young woman at risk. A young girl should not have to have her life or health placed in danger because of her parents religious beliefs, with which she may not agree.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 9 10:44:51 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 9 10:39:39 2007.

I agree with you 100%. Absolutely correct.

Abortions, liuke any medical procedure, entail certain risks (there are risks if you come to me with a cut finger and I suture it for you). But in over 99% of cases, these risks are minimal and have no adverse long term consequences.



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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Nov 9 12:06:22 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 9 10:33:17 2007.

A minor child is equally at risk when he/she goes to an emergency room for treatment yet that treatment is delayed while the medical staff try to contact the parents. I still don't see the difference.

There is also the matter of financial responsibility. Parents should not be held in any way financially responsible for treatment they did not authorize. If the child paid cash from her own source of funds (begging, part time job, etc) I might reconsider my position.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 9 12:25:35 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by BMTLines on Fri Nov 9 12:06:22 2007.

"A minor child is equally at risk when he/she goes to an emergency room for treatment yet that treatment is delayed while the medical staff try to contact the parents."

False statement. The Emergency Room will NOT wait for parents if there is a ligfe-threatening injury. Stabilizing the patient and giving treatment will occur under the doctrine of implied consent. That treatment will occur even if the parents don't want it if it is necessary to save the child's life.

"Parents should not be held in any way financially responsible for treatment they did not authorize."

If it is necessary to treat the child in opposition to the parent's wishes, the state will step in.


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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 9 17:39:00 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by BMTLines on Fri Nov 9 12:06:22 2007.

A minor child is equally at risk when he/she goes to an emergency room for treatment yet that treatment is delayed while the medical staff try to contact the parents. I still don't see the difference.

As Ron said, this is false. No ER will put a life at risk while they wait for the parents.

There is also the matter of financial responsibility. Parents should not be held in any way financially responsible for treatment they did not authorize.

So should they instead be held financially responsible for the child that the young woman would then have to raise in the absence of an abortion? If you don't want to take responsibility for the mistakes your children will make, don't have children.

If the child paid cash from her own source of funds (begging, part time job, etc) I might reconsider my position.

In New York, abortion is covered by Medicaid. This should be the case in every state.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 10 04:23:20 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 8 15:32:07 2007.

It does if one uses a latex condo (boy, I'd sure love to live in one of those!)

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 10 04:34:42 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 10 04:23:20 2007.

Thwack!

("thank you sir, may I have an udder?") ...

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Nov 10 05:12:46 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 9 17:39:00 2007.


In New York, abortion is covered by Medicaid. This should be the case in every state.


And stuff like this is why New York's Medicaid spending is SO much higher than every other state, even though some (California and Texas) have more people on Medicaid.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 10 05:17:24 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Nov 10 05:12:46 2007.

Uh ... no? Medicaid is overloaded because of all those clinics that fill out phony forms for people that don't exist ... 30% of all claims at last count. :(

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Nov 10 06:38:37 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 10 05:17:24 2007.

And yet Spitzer is doing nothing to remedy the problem :(. He cares about illegal immigrants more than actual New Yorkers and the problems that he SHOULD have fixed MONTHS ago :(.

If you voted for Spitzer, you wasted your vote on a do-nothing.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 10 06:45:54 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Nov 10 06:38:37 2007.

Ummm ... no? Despite the republican bullsquirt, all those "illegal, uninsured drivers" are going to suddenly be forced to APPEAR? Then again, it's SChvitzer's fault that he laid like a gefilte fish flapping about saying and doing nothing, but I FULLY agree with what he had in mind ... if they're DRIVING, then giving them paperwork MAKES them appear. And we got PICTURES of them too!

Never COULD understand this bullsquirt. :(

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 10 09:14:43 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Nov 10 05:12:46 2007.

Not for nothing but you're the big proponent of socialized medicine. This is the dark, nasty side. Just think of all those 20 and 30 Y/O males with scripts for Viagra, who turn around and sell there pills on the street for a few bucks a pill while taxpayers pay $15 each.

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Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging

Posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Nov 10 09:50:21 2007, in response to Re: 13 Year Old Suspended From School For Hugging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 10 09:14:43 2007.

I am not for fully socialized medicine. I feel that the government should cover basic care and stuff that is necessary under some circumstances, but optional care should be covered by private insurance. We're in a healthcare crisis that has to be fixed somehow.

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