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Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York.
Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 10 11:39:35 2026 With its natural beauty Cape Town is the main tourist destination in South Africa, not to mention the country’s most stable and safest city. If you want to go there from New York, however, you’re out of luck. Delta Air Lines serves Cape Town but as is the case with Brussels, New York is deemed unworthy of direct service. You have to connect in Atlanta. While United Airlines flies nonstop from Newark to Cape Town that’s of little meaning to New Yorkers who consider New Jersey as remote as North Dakota.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sat Jan 10 12:19:28 2026, in response to Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 10 11:39:35 2026.* Newark Airport is considered a NY Metropolitan area airport. Like the Jets and Giants are considered NY teams even though they play in New Jersey.
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Posted by cortelyounext* on Sat Jan 10 12:53:33 2026, in response to Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 10 11:39:35 2026.* I know I should not speak for the bored I meant to write board but there is an exception to every rule. So it is these seemingly endless aviation posts will not get you any closer to the rarefied air of the "List of Aviators" unless the LuchAAA requires that an unanticipated and essential slot be filled in magna festinatione. You've made your point, again and again, and we get it. Note to Self: You do not have to click on posts you find insufferable including those by cortelyounext (he/zie/them).
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Sat Jan 10 13:27:06 2026, in response to Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 10 11:39:35 2026.* Damn! There goes my vacation!!
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Jan 10 13:46:43 2026, in response to Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 10 11:39:35 2026.* Sure, go to Cape Town and get killed. How's life under that rock of yours?
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sat Jan 10 15:17:26 2026, in response to Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 10 11:39:35 2026.* What a horror.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Jan 10 16:53:53 2026, in response to Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 10 11:39:35 2026.* I can buy all the capes I want back here, I don’t need to go to Cape Town.
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Posted by mtk52983* on Sat Jan 10 17:37:44 2026, in response to Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 10 11:39:35 2026.* 1) So what 2) New York is not the center of the universe 3) Anyone who considers New Jersey to be North Dakota isn't flying to South Africa 4) The "hot and high" nature of South Africa requires specific subfleet of aircraft and Delta has no other destination from JFK that needs that fleet whereas they do from Atlanta. United has Asia flights from Newark that they can rotate South Africa aircraft onto.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Sat Jan 10 21:24:00 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jan 10 17:37:44 2026.* NYC IS the center of the universe!!
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Jan 10 22:20:06 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jan 10 21:24:00 2026.* IAWTP
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sat Jan 10 23:56:41 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jan 10 21:24:00 2026.* That’s the truth. It’s the capital of this bizarre planet.
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Sun Jan 11 00:47:51 2026, in response to Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 10 11:39:35 2026.* This is bingbong levels of insanity. You go to cape town and get back to us. Actually, I take that back. NYC should have direct flights to cape town. 2 4th world shitholes.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jan 11 04:04:05 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 11 00:47:51 2026.* This is bingbong levels of insanity Think that's the first time someone said that. That wins the internet today. I looked up flights from JFK to CPT and there are plenty of direct ones.
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Posted by New Flyer #857* on Sun Jan 11 06:58:13 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 11 04:04:05 2026.* What airline(s)? Google Flights just shows me lots of 1-stop and 2-stop itineraries.
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Sun Jan 11 09:36:23 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 11 04:04:05 2026.* Bingbong would use all of he/her/they energy to convince me how safe all of Mexico is. Now Peter is telling me that Cape Town is the same. I guess the garbage collectors finally paid the local warlords a tribute so they can collect the rubbish in the streets to come to this conclusion.
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Posted by Peter Rosa* on Sun Jan 11 10:57:15 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jan 10 17:37:44 2026.* What is undeniable is that New York’s importance in the airline world is diminishing. Even if you disregard Cape Town, as Delta never operated nonstop flights to there from New York, there’s still the airline’s discontinuance of Brussels service. THAT is a very different story and actually has gotten some media attention. As I’ve mentioned before, Brussels is unlike most other European destinations as it’s oriented more toward business than leisure travelers. There aren’t many tourist draws, and it wouldn’t surprise me if many US tourists who go there are doing so as add-on day trips while visiting Amsterdam or Paris. But it is a major business destination, especially because it’s the EU headquarters city. The fact that it no longer merits nonstop service from New York means that either it or New York are declining in importance, and my money’s on New York. By the way, it is noteworthy that no other airline has announced replacement service from New York to Brussels. Not that there are many likely candidates: Brussels Airlines has a small fleet and probably is limited to its single daily nonstop, American Airlines only cares about Philadelphia, Jet Blue is shifting its transatlantic service to Boston, and United Airlines only cares about Newark.
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Posted by Peter Rosa* on Sun Jan 11 11:01:01 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 11 00:47:51 2026.* The safety, or lack thereof, of Cape Town is completely beside the point. What matters is that New York, unlike Atlanta or Newark, does not merit service.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jan 11 11:08:09 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 11 06:58:13 2026.* In FACT, there are no flights to KJFK.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jan 11 11:08:47 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jan 11 10:57:15 2026.* Brussels, LOL.
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Posted by trains61* on Sun Jan 11 12:30:55 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jan 11 10:57:15 2026.* American Airlines does not only care about Philadelphia, A321XlR's are currently flying between KJFK and KLAX. When they acquire enough aircraft of this type, they will begin service to Europe from KJFK. This is supposed to happen this summer. The Lurkers' Guild My inside voice
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Posted by Peter Rosa* on Sun Jan 11 12:38:52 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by trains61 on Sun Jan 11 12:30:55 2026.* So far American has announced only one new European flight from New York, to Edinburgh, and it’s just seasonal. Philadelphia got two new ones, Prague and Budapest, though granted they’re seasonal as well. Note that neither of these cities has any nonstop flights from New York at all.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Sun Jan 11 12:58:41 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 11 11:08:47 2026.* I know!
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Jan 11 13:17:47 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jan 11 11:01:01 2026.* How dare Delta make Atlanta its global headquarters.
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Posted by mtk52983* on Sun Jan 11 13:41:01 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jan 11 12:38:52 2026.* Delta has flown JFK to Prague on the 767
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Posted by Peter Rosa* on Sun Jan 11 13:57:57 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jan 11 13:41:01 2026.* Delta’s flights to Prague are long gone. In fact it has no nonstop service from the US at all, I don’t know why.
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Posted by Dand124* on Sun Jan 11 14:12:15 2026, in response to Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 10 11:39:35 2026.* It makes sense to run a flight like that through an airlines mega-hub.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jan 11 14:17:08 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 11 06:58:13 2026.* Sorry; meant to type EWR. My bad.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jan 11 14:19:44 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 11 13:17:47 2026.* Never mind for 85 years.
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Posted by Dand124* on Sun Jan 11 14:23:37 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jan 11 13:57:57 2026.* Insufficient demand.
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Posted by mtk52983* on Sun Jan 11 14:24:20 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jan 11 13:57:57 2026.* Wrong. Delta operates it seasonally from early May to early October. Last flight was approximately October 7, 2025. Look at Flights 78 and 79.
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Sun Jan 11 16:23:03 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 11 14:19:44 2026.* I was just at their corporate musuem. First ever Delta flight was from Atlanta to Birmingham
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Sun Jan 11 16:24:22 2026, in response to Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 10 11:39:35 2026.* the islamonazi mayor should probably order a direct flight.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jan 11 17:02:16 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 11 16:24:22 2026.* How lovely. Three of our biggest enemies are in Cape Town to help the Marxist ANC regime there.
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Sun Jan 11 18:38:10 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 11 17:02:16 2026.* marxist is too leniant. THat's like calling the mayor of ny only marxist and not what he really is. SA will be the only state on earth without Starlink soon because of their racial purity laws.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jan 11 21:19:33 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 11 18:38:10 2026.* All of the totalitarian politicians are rooted in Marxism even if they claim to be religious.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Jan 11 22:41:47 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 11 14:19:44 2026.* Heavens forbid
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Jan 11 22:42:06 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 11 16:23:03 2026.* 👍🏼
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Posted by New Flyer #857* on Mon Jan 12 06:38:55 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 11 16:23:03 2026.* How is that museum? I was thinking about a day or two in Atlanta but if I knew that museum was something to see it would solidify my plans a bit.
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Mon Jan 12 09:05:43 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jan 10 17:37:44 2026.* +1000
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Mon Jan 12 09:09:10 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jan 11 10:57:15 2026.* BRU is dominated by Star Alliance because SN has its hub there. Why should DL devote resources to it when it can funnel traffic via AMS or CDG instead? If you think "most European destinations" are oriented towards leisure travelers, I have a bridge to sell you. Business travelers subsidize the low airfares that the rest of us pay. Budapest, which is being discussed elsewhere in this thread, is a "leisure destination." London, Paris, Frankfurt, and Amsterdam (among others) are not.
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Posted by AlM* on Mon Jan 12 09:36:01 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jan 10 17:37:44 2026.* The "hot and high" nature of South Africa I mostly agree with your post but Cape Town is not particularly hot (average high in Jan and Feb is 85) and it definitely isn't high.
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Posted by New Flyer #857* on Mon Jan 12 10:06:17 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jan 11 10:57:15 2026.* There aren’t many tourist draws, and it wouldn’t surprise me if many US tourists who go there are doing so as add-on day trips while visiting Amsterdam or Paris. I agree, so it makes sense to focus on getting those tourists to Amsterdam (2 Delta flights from JFK per day) and to Paris (also 2 Delta flights from JFK per day) where they probably want to stay. I wouldn't want one of those four flights being cut merely to say an additional destination is being served. As far as JFK being diminished in relevance, I'll believe that when I stop waiting 30+ minutes on taxiways for our turn to take off and/or 30+ minutes upon landing on return waiting for the gate to become unoccupied.
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Posted by AlM* on Mon Jan 12 11:50:06 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 12 10:06:17 2026.* As far as JFK being diminished in relevance Classic case of no one going there any more because it's too crowded. Of course, a possible explanation would be that operation of JFK has become less efficient and capacity has been reduced. But no one has shown any evidence for that.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Jan 12 13:29:46 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by AlM on Mon Jan 12 11:50:06 2026.* Actually, JFK has become less efficient and its capacity has been reduced due to construction, which is intended to make it more efficient, so it's temporary.
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Posted by Peter Rosa* on Mon Jan 12 14:15:55 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jan 11 14:24:20 2026.* You are right, Prague gets seasonal service from New York - but it should be year-round.
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Posted by Peter Rosa* on Mon Jan 12 14:19:51 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by AlM on Mon Jan 12 11:50:06 2026.* As best I can tell, the only new year-round international service from New York in the last several months is Gulf Air to - of all places - Bahrain. Somehow I don’t see that as a big destination.
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Posted by Dand124* on Mon Jan 12 19:03:20 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by AlM on Mon Jan 12 11:50:06 2026.* JFK isn't the sole international gateway it was 60 years, but that has more to do with the growth of other airports.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Jan 13 10:39:59 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Dand124 on Mon Jan 12 19:03:20 2026.* Atlanta is useful for niche flights like Cape Town because it is fed by flights from the rest of the country. I would imagine that nobody wants to change planes at JFK and no one wants to encourage it.
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Jan 13 16:22:49 2026, in response to Re: Travel to Cape Town? Not from New York., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 13 10:39:59 2026.* I would imagine that nobody wants to change planes at JFK Generally true. But if you're traveling from a smaller northeast airport (say, Albany, Bradley, Providence) to Europe it might be your best choice. Far better than changing in Atlanta if that is your alternate choice.
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