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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 22:58:43 2025, in response to Re: Un—ing Believable, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 22:13:36 2025. Um.. it's DJT. Par for the course. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 23:01:01 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 22:17:22 2025. How? The aforementioned are Democrats. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 23:08:20 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 23:01:01 2025. You mean Mamdani? He’s one person. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 01:57:58 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 23:08:20 2025. Yes he is |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 09:51:05 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 01:57:58 2025. VOTE FOR CUOMO, NOT THE PINKO |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 10:22:23 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 09:51:05 2025. You're voting for Cuomo? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 10:58:00 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 10:22:23 2025. Yes, I am ranking him. My first choice is Tilson. The other candidates make me want to vomit in terror.#NeverMamdani. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 11:07:04 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 10:58:00 2025. Whitney TilsonFor those who have not heard of him |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jun 12 11:26:11 2025, in response to Re: Un—ing Believable, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 22:13:36 2025. The people who were forced to shelter in place in a local synagogue there out of fear might feel differently. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 11:50:03 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 10:58:00 2025. How does rank choice voting work? If I lived in New York, and the only 2 candidates were between Cuomo and Mamdani, I would hold my nose and vote for Cuomo. And where's Eric Adams? |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 11:50:58 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 11:07:04 2025. Thank you. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 12:01:42 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 11:50:03 2025. You can rank as many or as few candidates as you want.They go through everyone's top choice and those candidates ranked in the top 2 or 3 (I believe) move on to the next round. Round 2 assigns those who ranked any of the eliminated candidates to their first choice of advancing candidates. This continues until a candidate has the majority. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 12:02:12 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 11:50:03 2025. You can rank as many or as few candidates as you want.They go through everyone's top choice and those candidates ranked in the top 2 or 3 (I believe) move on to the next round. Round 2 assigns those who ranked any of the eliminated candidates to their first choice of advancing candidates. This continues until a candidate has the majority. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Jun 12 12:07:22 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 12:01:42 2025. Interesting. Thank you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 12:08:53 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 11:50:03 2025. Ranked-choice voting shuts out the opposition and guarantees a win by the left; that's how it works. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 12:09:58 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 12:01:42 2025. Yeah . . . funny how only the left-wing candidates get through to the second round, isn't it? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 12:16:11 2025, in response to Re: Unf—ingbelievable, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 12:09:58 2025. Well the only ranked choice voting in NYC this year is for the Democratic mayoral primary (the Republicans all coalesced behind Sliwa). They are not using it for the General election in November.Usually one extreme leftist advances because their base is enough to get pass the initial level because those to the right never coalesce behind anybody to get a majority in the first round. If the leftist has 20 percent and 8 more "reasonable" people average 10 percent each the leftist advances and usually 1-2 of the more "reasonable" people. In the next phase the leftist goes up to maybe 22 percent and doesn't win. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 12:19:49 2025, in response to Re: Unf—ingbelievable, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 12:08:53 2025. No it does not unless you are talking about a primary. If anything it prevents a Bernie Sanders-type candidate from winning. The Democrats refuse to a coalesce behind anyone so rather than the nutjob taking a plurality in a Primary and advancing, it artificially forces the Democrats to nominate someone a little to the right of that. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 12:47:11 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 12:01:42 2025. Almost.You can vote for your 1st through 5th choices. In each round of the tally, the candidate with the fewest top choice votes gets tossed and their ballots are reallocated to the remaining contenders. This continues until someone has a majority of the votes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 12:49:22 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 12:01:42 2025. Not quite.You can only rank 5. That’s in NYC, other ranked choice schemes may be different. You can rank fewer than 5, but not more. In the first round, only first choices count, if someone wins more than 50% of the total vote, then the election ends there. If not, the last place candidate is eliminated, and any ballots where the eliminated candidate was ranked first are reallocated to that ballot’s second choice, all other ballots are unaffected. In each subsequent round, the same process is repeated, the last place candidate in each subsequent round is eliminated (due to reallocation, this may be a different candidate than who came second to last in the prior round), with his/her ballots reallocated to that ballot’s highest remaining choice. Only one candidate is eliminated in each round. At any point, if this causes any candidate to gain a majority, then that candidate is then elected. Because ballots can be exhausted, the majority necessary in each round may be less than in the previous rounds, since a candidate need only win a majority of ballots that remain. Ballots where all of the voters choice had since been disqualified are “exhausted” and disregarded in subsequent rounds. The point of this is that it allows voters to choose the candidate they like most without worrying that it’s a waste and someone will win with a mere plurality, where most voters actually preferred someone else. It’s also called “instant runoff”. This is why I can safely vote for someone like Tilson, secure in the knowledge that when the election comes down to Cuomo vs. Mamdani, my vote for Cuomo is there, and not wasted. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 12:50:29 2025, in response to Re: Unf—ingbelievable, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 12:19:49 2025. If anything it prevents a Bernie Sanders-type candidate from winning.In 2021 it put Garcia ahead of Wiley, not that Olog knows anything about either of them. In 2025, I would expect Mamdani to to stay in second place through a few rounds. But like Wiley getting edged out by Garcia in 2021, he may get edged out by Brad Lander in a late round. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 12:52:08 2025, in response to Re: Unf—ingbelievable, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 12:16:11 2025. In 2021, Maya Wiley was in second place in round one, but by the penultimate round she had dropped to third, with the last round being between Adams and Garcia. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 12:55:20 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 12:49:22 2025. This is why I can safely vote for someone like Tilson, secure in the knowledge that when the election comes down to Cuomo vs. Mamdani, my vote for Cuomo is there, and not wasted.I'm putting Cuomo into 5th place and Mamdani not at all, just for that reason. I also don't discount the possibility of Lander sneaking past both of them. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 12:56:56 2025, in response to Re: Unf—ingbelievable, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 12:52:08 2025. Yeah, ranked choice voting saved us from the scary thought that Wiley could possibly have just edged out Adams. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 13:00:33 2025, in response to Re: Un—ing Believable, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jun 12 11:26:11 2025. Out of fear of the Nazis and not out of fear of people who just opposed the removal of the traitor monuments. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 14:10:42 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 09:51:05 2025. I find myself in a pickle...Cuomo is a scumbag "murderer", who, by virtue of him being governor, caused the death of numerous nursing home patients. I won't even get into the bus incident. The Indian guy is muslim. Enough said. Then, on the Republican side we have that clown Sliwa, who lied and tried to get the police in trouble, claiming he was kidnapped.So....who I vote for is still up in the air. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 14:14:14 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 14:10:42 2025. What's wrong with Curtis Sliwa? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 14:15:45 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 11:07:04 2025. Hmmm...not bad. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 14:16:29 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 14:10:42 2025. I would vote for Sliwa if Mamdani wins the primary and it is not even a question. I agree that Cuomo is a scumbag, but I don't know if he would be worse than Sliwa. The Democrats control so much of the City Council that they will just override every veto by Sliwa. All I can say is that with Cuomo they might be less willing to throw him under the bus. Fortunately I don't live in NYC. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 14:20:11 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Jun 12 12:07:22 2025. It's a tactic. Not a fan. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 14:22:19 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 14:10:42 2025. What's wrong with Curtis Sliwa? |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 14:22:39 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 14:20:11 2025. Huh? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 14:25:44 2025, in response to Re: Unf—ingbelievable, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 12:08:53 2025. Too bad nobody replied. (Yet.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 14:28:43 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 14:14:14 2025. Oh . . . I've come to the conclusion that Sliwa is like Trump insofar as he's had past left-wing-favoring gaffes.Don't forget that the person you're replying to is not overly fond of Trump either, but for absurd reasons. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 14:45:09 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 14:10:42 2025. Enough said.Take a look at Lander and Stringer. They aren't radicals. Lander probably even has a chance. If you don't put them and Cuomo somewhere on your ballot, even 4th or 5th, you risk Mamdani. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 14:48:10 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 14:20:11 2025. It may save us from Mamdani.In a straight race he could win with 22% of the vote, or something like that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 15:16:20 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 14:16:29 2025. If Mamdani wins the primary, Cuomo still gets in the general on an independent ballot line.It would be fucked up with Adams, Cuomo, Mamdani, and Sliwa all on the ballot. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 15:17:23 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 14:45:09 2025. Lander is another regressive. Stringer less so and is worth a ranking. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 15:23:00 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 14:48:10 2025. Look* at Lori Lightfoot. In that election she won like 22% of the vote and the 2nd place candidate won like 20%. Chicago had a runoff between the top two despite the two of them combined getting less than 50%, so most people voter for someone else. The runoff had 2 bad options.*Not literally, don’t want anyone suffering trauma. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 15:25:59 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 12 14:10:42 2025. I don’t give a shit that he’s a Mahometan, it’s that he’s a socialist; that’s the religion that I don’t like.I mean the guy wants to open government-owned supermarkets! What the actual fuck! |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 19:57:12 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 11 18:26:27 2025. I'd be you'd be first at the buffet table, tubby. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Jun 12 20:14:07 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 19:57:12 2025. Lol |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 12 21:00:19 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 14:16:29 2025. Cuomo is a scumbag with a ton of baggage, But he has a good line of shit, like a salesman with the gift of gab, My guess that hes the next mayor since he has the Black community in NYC in his back pocket thanks to his no bail, no jail policy. That group will put him over the top. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Jun 12 21:14:16 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 19:57:12 2025. I've always suspected that but i love you for your honesty |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 22:11:26 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 12 21:00:19 2025. Don't stereotype blacks, please |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 12 22:22:19 2025, in response to Re: Un-f---ng-believable, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 22:11:26 2025. Its not "stereotyping". Its a statistical fact. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 22:35:20 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 12 21:00:19 2025. Mamdani is getting the vote of downwardly-mobile whites, Cuomo is getting everyone else. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 13 00:41:17 2025, in response to Re: Unf—ingbelievable, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 14:28:43 2025. Personal reasons, not absurd. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 13 00:47:18 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 12 14:14:14 2025. He used to do "publicity stunts" and lies in order to get recognition for the Guardian Angel's, including staging him "finding" an old man's wallet with money in it, claiming that NYCTA police kidnapped him, in an attempt to get the police off the back of the G.A.. There's also more shit he did. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 13 00:48:34 2025, in response to Re: Unfucking Believable, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 15:16:20 2025. I think that's what is going to happen. |
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