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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 09:52:26 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Nov 25 07:39:07 2021.

Not only that but it also makes it clear that murder is completely unacceptable. We end two crimes at once!

I'm being sarcastic because I think that such conduct was already clear. I don't know if she can be convicted, but I want her prosecuted because we don't know how deep this goes. She's already removed from dice, but we're other prosecutors complicit? The police chief? We don't know yet.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 09:52:56 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Nov 25 07:13:37 2021.

She's already removed isn't she? I think that she resigned and it's the new DA that brought the case.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 09:54:20 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 09:52:26 2021.

^spell check. 🙄

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Nov 25 10:02:58 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 09:52:56 2021.

I know the state intervened in Arbery prosecution, not sure if this is also them/special prosecutor or whether it is replacement DA (even though that isnít the terminology Georgia uses).

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 10:05:28 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Nov 25 07:13:37 2021.

If she committed the crime of obstruction of justice as defined under Georgia law, she should be convicted of it. I'm sure her lawyers can get an almost totally white jury like the Arbery defendants got, so there's no worry about a wrongful conviction.* She'd only be convicted if the case was solid.



* Cynical comment not reflecting my actual views about Georgia juries but reflecting the expected right wing commentary if she were to be convicted.



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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 10:06:40 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Nov 25 10:02:58 2021.

I looked it up and she lost the election last Fall likely due to her handling of the Arbery murder case.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 10:07:55 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Nov 25 10:02:58 2021.

Georgia Attorney General Chris Carrís office is prosecuting Johnson.





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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Nov 25 10:15:08 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 10:05:28 2021.

My problem is I donít want to see every case of prosecutorial discretion turn into Obstruction of Justice charge as I said earlier. Speedy trials can only happen because of plea deals on other cases and the only way that will continue is if prosecutors are not worried that the next one they make will turn into trumped up charges against him/her/them. For reference, here is the Georgia law.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 10:52:17 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Nov 25 10:15:08 2021.

But prosecutorial discretion and obstruction of justice are obviously different things.

The former is telling the cops something like: "Thank you for the work you've done, but I'm sorry, I don't feel I can win a case based on the evidence you have provided. Of course, if in your judgment you should continue the investigation, feel free."

The latter would require telling the police some kind of false information that would cause them to cease their investigation, whereas without hearing that lie they would have continued to investigate. For example, falsely telling the police "A confidential witness came to me. I can't tell you what they said, but I am very confident that the people you are investigating didn't commit any crime."

Neither of us knows whether the prosecutor did the latter or not.


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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 25 11:36:24 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 09:23:43 2021.

Reckless? No. I say stupid. But perfectly legal.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 11:46:08 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 25 11:36:24 2021.

I agree. It wasn't reckless at all based on my understanding of the word. If he had been pointing his gun at people ( the prosecution alleged that he did, but I didn't see that in the video that they showed as evidence) or waving it around, that would be reckless.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 12:00:47 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 25 11:36:24 2021.

Reckless need not be provably criminal.

Any number of people die in accidents each year, or kill others (motorcycling, bicycling, hiking, climbing, boating, driving too fast, etc.). Most of them never get charged with a crime.



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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 12:01:36 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 25 11:36:24 2021.

Reckless need not be provably criminal.

Any number of people die in accidents each year, or kill others (motorcycling, bicycling, hiking, climbing, boating, driving too fast, etc.). Most of them never get charged with a crime.



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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 25 12:33:34 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 09:23:43 2021.

Wasn't it reckless for Pedobaum and the other 2 perps?

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 25 12:35:17 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 10:07:55 2021.

Now comes the witch hunt.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 25 12:37:57 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 12:00:47 2021.

Apples and oranges. This kid walking around with an automatic weapon was definitely looking for trouble (the trouble found him). The activities you describe do not involve folks looking for trouble.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 25 12:41:06 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 11:46:08 2021.

I agree as well.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 12:41:20 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 25 12:37:57 2021.

He didn't walk around though. He stayed in one place, the car dealership, until he was chased away. And his rifle was semi-automatic, not automatic.

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Re: Evidence withheld from Arbery jury

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 25 13:23:08 2021, in response to Evidence withheld from Arbery jury, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 24 21:14:07 2021.

bump

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 25 13:56:10 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 12:41:20 2021.

"He didn't walk around though. He stayed in one place, the car dealership"

He had to walk to get to the dealership...with the weapon.

"And his rifle was semi-automatic, not automatic."

Nitpick...Didn't make much difference to who got shot.


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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 14:00:49 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 25 13:56:10 2021.

No, he drove to the dealership.

It's not a nitpick when what that you stated would illegal. Also, I think that the media was consistently very loose with the facts of this case and what you call nitpicks have very much influenced public opinion. Facts matter.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 14:06:10 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 25 12:37:57 2021.

All the more reason that reckless is an appropriate word.



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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 25 14:16:31 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 14:00:49 2021.

There is video of him clearly walking around with the weapon.

"It's not a nitpick when what that you stated would illegal."

I'll assume that you meant "be" illegal. For one being concerned about facts, maybe you should proof read your posts.

Anyway, my point gun about the was the effect on those who were shot would be the same weather the weapon was automatic or semi-automatic.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Easy on Thu Nov 25 14:32:23 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 25 14:16:31 2021.

There is video of him waking to the police after being attacked. Is that what you mean?

You got me on the proofreading. Score one for you.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Rockparkman on Fri Nov 26 05:12:39 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Nov 24 19:44:54 2021.

You keep the fuck away from riots unless you have a badge.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Rockparkman on Fri Nov 26 05:16:47 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 24 19:41:00 2021.

This is why you canít defund the police. It is their job to respond to riots, not teenage wannabes.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 08:54:51 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Rockparkman on Fri Nov 26 05:12:39 2021.

Doesn't that apply to the rioters as well? Another thing, the Powers That Be have gone out of their way to Neuter and make the police powerless in making pro active enforcement while these riots are happening, so residents and businesses owners feel betrayed and helpless, and some use alternate ways to protect their homes, businesses, and property.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 26 09:15:23 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 08:54:51 2021.

Of course it applies to the rioters. They are very unsavory people.

But just because the rioters were reckless, criminal fools doesn't mean that Rittenhouse wasn't a reckless, if non-criminal, fool.




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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 09:16:26 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 08:54:51 2021.

You know what, though? Rittenhouse did not own a home, business or property in Kenosha. He chose to go to Kenosha with a rifle to look for trouble.

There is no legitimate reason for a 17-year-old boy with no medical or law-enforcement training, to go to a known civil-disturbance area with a rifle. None. You can't deflect or twist your way out of that reality.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 09:31:14 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 09:16:26 2021.

What's there to deflect? Using your knowledge, Yusuf Hawkins should have never been in Bensonhurst. He didn't belong there, correct?

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 26 09:34:44 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 09:31:14 2021.

Yusuf Hawkins didn't deliberately go to a riot. If he'd known he'd be in danger he wouldn't have gone.




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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 09:53:06 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 09:31:14 2021.

Yusuf Hawkins wasn't deliberately looking for trouble. He was in Bensonhurst for a known, legitimate reason, and he was not armed. Again, you can't deflect your way out of this kne.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 26 09:57:47 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 09:16:26 2021.

LOL Mini-man. You are such a racist little shit.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:21:43 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 09:53:06 2021.

Being armed isn't germaine to the point I'm making. Some would say he was. This is my point. Kyle was there for a known, legitimate reason as well.

The more you know....

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:22:17 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by AlM on Fri Nov 26 09:34:44 2021.

I'm sure Kyle didn't think he was in danger.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 10:24:10 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:21:43 2021.

What "known, legitimate reason" did Rittenhouse have for being in the middle of a riot with a rifle?

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 26 10:24:28 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:22:17 2021.

True.

Nevertheless, he acted in a reckless* but not criminal manner, whereas Hawkins did not.


* If you don't like "reckless" because it has a legal meaning as well as a common meaning, use "extremely careless" instead.




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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 26 10:25:10 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:21:43 2021.

You are wasting your time and breath. The racist little fidget has his "mind" made up.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 26 10:26:25 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 10:24:10 2021.

LOL Mini-man

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:29:43 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 10:24:10 2021.

To watch the dealership. This has been well established already.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 10:37:11 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:29:43 2021.

Did Rittenhouse have any security or law-enforcement training? Was he trained in the safe handling and usage of his rifle? W&t did Rittenhouse take it upon himself to go to Jenisha to "watch" someone else's dealership?

Nobody rationally gets up from their living room couch and says, "it's my sworn duty to go to some other city where a riot is happening, and 'protect' Larry's used cars with a semiautomatic rifle". That just doesn't make any sense.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:49:56 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by AlM on Fri Nov 26 10:24:28 2021.

What was reckless about his behavior?

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 26 10:50:57 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 10:37:11 2021.

From the stuff that he's said, he sounds like a wanna be cop.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 26 10:51:27 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 10:37:11 2021.

The jury said that he was innocent, mini-man. Your continued harping on the case is only going to cause your hypertension to get worse. Seems that your mental illness is effecting your physical health.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:58:22 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Nov 26 10:37:11 2021.

Why would you need that? You can watch a car lot without that training. Was he trained in the handling and use of the rifle? He said he was. Kenosha is where his father lives, and he spends time there as well, that myth about going there with the rifle has long been debunked The bottom line is that the Libs/Left is mad because he defended himself against rioters who wanted to kill him. That bothers you when victims fight back

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:59:19 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 26 10:50:57 2021.

He was a police explorer I believe, so that's not a stretch

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Nov 26 11:02:09 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:58:22 2021.

But that still doesn't answer the question of who wanted him there. If the business asked him to be there then it is open and shut that he had every right to be there. If you saw on television that a riot was happening in Newark (or in some other random city across state lines where you have a connection to) would you just drop everything to go "protect" a random business there uninvited knowing you could be in danger for your life?

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 26 11:06:45 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Nov 26 11:02:09 2021.

The business owners testified that they didn't ask for the people to be there, but their testimony was a series of evasive answers, multiple claims of not understanding simple questions, as well as photo and video evidence contradicting their version of events.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Nov 26 11:20:16 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 26 11:06:45 2021.

Exactly. To me that was probably the most important part of the trial. Based on the footage I saw, it was definitely reasonable for the jury to conclude that the business owners were lying and that they hired Rittenhouse.

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Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty

Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 26 11:22:47 2021, in response to Re: Arbery case - Jury says guilty, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 26 10:49:56 2021.

Going to a riot with no law enforcement training.

It's like operating a boat too fast at night.





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