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Re: Dayton Police foul-up?
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Oct 12 01:16:01 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 11 21:50:53 2021.* You're mentally ill if you interpret the law like that. Go seek help.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Oct 12 01:28:34 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 12 01:12:06 2021.* Sniffing dogs are bullshit. Cops like to get people out of the car for reasons I stated. Another reason is to get away from a dashcam if one is recording. Weapons Find something wrong with you
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Oct 12 02:07:46 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 12 01:28:34 2021.* Proof by assertion is a logical fallacy, #37.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Oct 12 02:20:05 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 12 02:07:46 2021.* Thanks for the w1n.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Oct 12 04:21:42 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 21:27:13 2021.* NO
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Re: Dayton Police foul-up !!!!!!
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Oct 12 04:22:28 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Easy on Mon Oct 11 23:15:05 2021.* BIG IAWTP
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Oct 12 04:24:52 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 12 01:01:32 2021.* BIG IAWTP
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Posted by mtk52983* on Tue Oct 12 06:50:54 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 11 21:50:53 2021.* Disagree about your reading of #2 and #3. It can also be used during an ambient air sniff outside of the vehicle. You don’t need some driver to floor it and run over dog and its handler.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 07:37:33 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 12 01:01:32 2021.* What should they have done?
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Tue Oct 12 08:28:26 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 07:37:33 2021.* What should they have done? For starters, the police officers should have called for their supervisor. If they were worried about Mr. Owensby fleeing while waiting for the supervisor to arrive, they could have asked him to turn off the engine, place the keys on the dashboard and his hands on the steering wheel.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Tue Oct 12 08:30:39 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 12 01:16:01 2021.* You're mentally ill if you interpret the law like that. What does that make you for equating Dayton's police procedures with the law?
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 08:31:00 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Oct 12 04:21:42 2021.* That's LITERALLY the meaning of native.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Tue Oct 12 08:41:13 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Oct 12 06:50:54 2021.* You don’t need some driver to floor it and run over dog and its handler. One does not need to forcibly remove a driver from a car to make the car immobile. Turning off the ignition and placing the keys in plain sight on the dashboard is usually sufficient.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 08:50:01 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 08:28:26 2021.* As someone who was a member of a large metropolitan police department, I can speak from experience. The police DO NOT have to call for a supervisor merely because a person wants them to. If the police themselves want to, or are unsure what to do, or if the specific job calls for it, then one can be requested,but it's up to the police to do so, not the guy on the street. Everyone has a better plan. The police wanted him out of the vehicle, so what good would that have done?
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Oct 12 09:30:00 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 08:50:01 2021.* Surprisingly, I actually agree with you here. While it is good professional practivce to have a supervisor respond to the scene if a person requests it, it's not a rulebook requirement. However, it's also true that talking one's way out of being arrested is impossible. Once a cop gets it into his or her head that you're getting locked up, that's exactly what will happen. Nothing you can say or do will change that.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Oct 12 10:34:56 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 08:28:26 2021.* Ahahahahahahahaha
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Oct 12 10:58:01 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Oct 11 20:23:04 2021.* Are you denying he is paraplegic? Let's assume he really is paraplegic, and went into this drug house. Let's assume he's an addict and was going to buy drugs. So if the police observed him enter and exit the drug house, they also observed that he was seriously disabled. So now where is the justification in dragging him out of his car? If they know he was in the house they know he was disabled.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Oct 12 11:18:51 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 12 10:58:01 2021.* He needed to removed from the car. He forfeited his choice when he was pinched. What they should have done is gotten a forklift.
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Re: Dayton police foul up !!!!
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Oct 12 11:33:05 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 12 11:18:51 2021.* YOU DONT HANDLE DISABLED BLACK PEOPLE LIKE THAT BULLSZHIT
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Oct 12 12:18:44 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 12 11:18:51 2021.* Right, I'm not addressing whether he needed to be or legally could be removed from the car. I'm just saying that if the cops saw him enter and exit the drug house then they deliberately used an inhumane method to remove him from the car.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 12:19:26 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 12 09:30:00 2021.* Not necessarily true. Sometimes cooler heads prevail. Once I saw he was a cripple, I would have distanced myself from that magilla as fast as possible.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Oct 12 12:21:21 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up !!!!, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Oct 12 11:33:05 2021.* What does black have to do with it
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Oct 12 12:31:09 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up !!!!, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 12 12:21:21 2021.* PROB WOULD NOT DO THAT WITH A WHITE MALE
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 12:31:18 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 12 10:58:01 2021.* "Dragging"🙄 is just the Media being dramatic.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Oct 12 12:31:35 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 12:31:18 2021.* WTF
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 12:32:04 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 12 12:18:44 2021.* Says who? Did you watch the video?
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Oct 12 12:35:38 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 12:31:18 2021.* AlM's question is valid, though...if the cops observed him entering and exiting the house, then they saw him being assisted and out of his car, too. Moreover, as a paraplegic, his driver license would show hand-operated controls as a restriction. So, how come the cops were suddenly unaware of this when they stopped him?
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Oct 12 13:28:44 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 12 12:35:38 2021.* IAWTP
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 13:46:46 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 12 12:35:38 2021.* All of that isn't relevant to the car stop. A cripple is just as dangerous as a normal person.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Oct 12 13:49:30 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 13:46:46 2021.* BULLZSHIT !!!!
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Oct 12 13:51:27 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 13:46:46 2021.* A cripple* is just as dangerous as a normal person.* You really are stuck in the 1950s!
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Oct 12 13:53:41 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 13:46:46 2021.* But they are entitled to more careful treatment if they have not posed any threat.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 13:57:31 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 12 13:51:27 2021.* What's wrong with that???
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 13:58:14 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 12 13:53:41 2021.* But.....that has to be ascertained , which it wasn't.
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Re: Dayton police foul up !!!!
Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Oct 12 14:08:07 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up !!!!, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Oct 12 12:31:09 2021.* What do you think they would have done if it was a white guy?
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Oct 12 14:09:13 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 12 12:35:38 2021.* Which is even more reason to get him out of the vehicle
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Oct 12 14:10:47 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 12 14:09:13 2021.* Why?
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Oct 12 14:15:58 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 12 14:10:47 2021.* He can operate that car via hand controls and take off. Or run someone down.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Oct 12 14:19:27 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 12:19:26 2021.* And then what?
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Oct 12 14:20:51 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up !!!!, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 12 14:08:07 2021.* LET HIM GO
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Oct 12 14:35:48 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 13:58:14 2021.* Are you saying the disabled guy pulled a gubn on the cops?
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Oct 12 15:12:39 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 12 13:51:27 2021.* Oh, please.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Oct 12 16:12:55 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up !!!!, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Oct 12 14:20:51 2021.* Oh
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Posted by TransitChuckG* on Tue Oct 12 17:26:39 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 08:41:13 2021.* Turning off the ignition and placing the keys in plain sight on the dashboard is usually sufficient. In the current cars, (keyless ignition), if the car doors are closed, the car can be started if the key is inside the car, with the push button..Proximity key.. So with this type of setup, the best thing for the police to do is get the key from the driver, and walk away from the car, far enough so the key cannot be detcted.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Oct 12 18:07:08 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 08:41:13 2021.* They are forcibly removed when non compliant. Comply and there won’t be an issue and we wouldn’t be talking about this. And the paraplegic piece is not valid. If that person was or wasn’t handicapped he would have had the same response.
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Oct 12 18:50:37 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 12 18:07:08 2021.* . Comply and there won’t be an issue and we wouldn’t be talking about this. I thought the point was that he was physically unable to comply.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 19:52:38 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 12 14:19:27 2021.* I wouldn't stick around to find out
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 19:54:36 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 12 14:35:48 2021.* I must be going senile, as I don't recall saying that
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Oct 12 19:56:30 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 19:54:36 2021.* I was asking you if that's what you meant. You said he may have posed a threat to the cops, and I am asking you how that is.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Oct 12 20:09:19 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 12 18:50:37 2021.* He did the "perpout" and "demanded" a supervisor to the scene. He did it to himself.
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