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Dayton police foul up
Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Oct 11 11:22:40 2021 Dragged man out of car
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 11:53:18 2021, in response to Dayton police foul up, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Oct 11 11:22:40 2021.* GOD DAMMED FUCKING PIGS !!!
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Mon Oct 11 12:31:01 2021, in response to Dayton police foul up, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Oct 11 11:22:40 2021.* Nothing wrong happened. He acted the fool
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Mon Oct 11 12:31:24 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Oct 11 11:53:18 2021.* The police did nothing wrong
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Posted by Allan* on Mon Oct 11 12:49:48 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 12:31:24 2021.* I guess that will be for a court to decide. If the man was truly a paraplegic as he kept saying, the cops could be in for it for forcefully manhandling someone who would be unable to really resist.
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Posted by Chicagomotorman* on Mon Oct 11 12:53:19 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 12:31:24 2021.* How so?
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Oct 11 12:55:55 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Oct 11 12:53:19 2021.* You mean you believe CNN?
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 12:58:12 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 12:31:24 2021.* WTF !!!! THEY WERE TOTALLY WRONG
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 12:58:38 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Allan on Mon Oct 11 12:49:48 2021.* IAWTP
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 12:59:03 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 12:31:01 2021.* BULLSHIT
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Oct 11 13:02:54 2021, in response to Dayton police foul up, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Oct 11 11:22:40 2021.* The officer tells (Clifford) Owensby he will assist him in getting out of the vehicle, but Owensby tells the officer not to touch him and requests the officer call a superior. The officer responds by saying he will call his superior, but Owensby must get out of the car first. … Foul-up? Looks like normal procedure. Owensby has prior drug convictions and was seen leaving a drug house. For a sniffer dog to do his work, all occupants of the car must exit. Owensby may be a paraplegic, but he was deliberately stalling by insisting that the officers contact a superior first, and then he acts up while the officers get him out of the car.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Oct 11 13:04:19 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 12:31:01 2021.* CNN doesn't let us know until over ten paragraphs in. Typical deceptive reporting by them.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Mon Oct 11 13:08:51 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Allan on Mon Oct 11 12:49:48 2021.* You certainly can be crippled and resist arrest. I don't get how some people think that the police have to treat everyone with kid gloves. He was told to get out, he refused and started "the usual" crap, so this is what happens. The police aren't supposed to wait around, pleading "pretty please?" with people.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 13:09:20 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 11 13:02:54 2021.* BULLSHIT !!!!!!
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Mon Oct 11 13:11:03 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Oct 11 12:53:19 2021.* The police observed them leaving the drug spot, called the K9 o er, got a hit, decided now they can do a more thorough search of vehicle, ordered everyone out, he refused, acting like a perp, and this is what happens.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Oct 11 13:11:15 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 13:08:51 2021.* You can tell when people don't read when they jump to conclusions based on an utterly misleading headline.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 13:11:44 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 13:08:51 2021.* BULLSHIT
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Mon Oct 11 13:11:50 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Oct 11 12:58:12 2021.* Can you explain how?
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 13:28:44 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 13:11:50 2021.* LOOK AT THE TAPE AGAIN IDIOT
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Mon Oct 11 13:52:25 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Oct 11 13:11:44 2021.* What's your alternative?
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Mon Oct 11 13:53:20 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Oct 11 13:28:44 2021.* Yeah, and? No need for insults. BTW, happy Columbus Day!
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 14:53:02 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 13:53:20 2021.* BULLSHIT HAPPY NATIVE AMERICAN DAY
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Mon Oct 11 15:04:31 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Oct 11 14:53:02 2021.* As a native American, I thank you, but today is Columbus Day.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 15:04:58 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 15:04:31 2021.* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Mon Oct 11 18:45:43 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 11 13:02:54 2021.* Owensby has prior drug convictions How did the officer know that at the time he stopped Owensby's car? The officer responds by saying he will call his superior, but Owensby must get out of the car first. … Why is it necessary for a car's occupant to get out of a car before an officer can call his supervisor? Looks like normal procedure. Really? What is normal procedure in Dayton? Here's a link to the police procedure that appeared in the article: https://daytonohio.gov/DocumentCenter/View/9609/204-2-Police-Canines#:~:text=It%20is%20the%20policy%20of,to%20control%20or%20disperse%20crowds.&text=a.,-An%20outside%20agency&text=When%20the%20Canine%20Unit%20responds,will%20complete%20any%20necessary%20reports Look at Section III (DRUG DETECTION CANINES) subsection B. B. Prior to deployment of a drug detection canine to search a structure, vehicle, or enclosed area, in which another person has an expectation of privacy, law enforcement officers must have either: 1. Consent to Search signed by the appropriate person; or 2. Have developed a level of probable cause that would support the issuance of a Search Warrant, or a warrantless search by an officer. So what was the level of probable cause that would have supported the issuance of a search warrant? According to the article: "Owensby received a citation for failure to restrain a child and for having tinted glass as a result of the incident, according to court records." Is a drug sniffing dog is required to verify child restraints and glass tint?
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Posted by Easy* on Mon Oct 11 19:48:36 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 11 18:45:43 2021.* How did the officer know that at the time he stopped Owensby's car? It's unclear whether or not that was known prior to the stop. The police claim that he was stopped because he left a known drug house that was under surveillance. Why is it necessary for a car's occupant to get out of a car before an officer can call his supervisor? The police claim that it was because they had already called for a drug sniffing dog and their procedure is for the driver to exit for safety reasons. Really? What is normal procedure in Dayton? The police claim that it is normal procedure for drivers to exit when drug sniffing dogs are called. So what was the level of probable cause that would have supported the issuance of a search warrant? The police claim that a drug sniffing dog was called to sniff outside the ar. They claim that a search warrant is not needed to sniff the air around a car. According to the article: "Owensby received a citation for failure to restrain a child and for having tinted glass as a result of the incident, according to court records." Is a drug sniffing dog is required to verify child restraints and glass tint? The police claim that they could see a child unrestrained in the back seat. The search for drugs and the use of a dog was a separate issue.
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Mon Oct 11 20:23:04 2021, in response to Dayton police foul up, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Oct 11 11:22:40 2021.* Such bullshit! What was he doing in a drug location?
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Mon Oct 11 20:23:38 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Oct 11 11:53:18 2021.* Fuck you, you fucken pig
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Mon Oct 11 20:24:18 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 13:11:50 2021.* Why argue with an idiot?
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Mon Oct 11 20:25:00 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 15:04:31 2021.* You are an injun?
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Mon Oct 11 20:26:56 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 13:11:03 2021.* You forgot to mention the ambulance chasing shylock.
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Mon Oct 11 20:33:16 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Oct 11 20:23:04 2021.* And with a child no less
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 21:03:20 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Oct 11 20:23:38 2021.* FUCK YOU YOU FACIST NAZI KKK PIG POLICE OFFICER
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 21:04:03 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Oct 11 20:25:00 2021.* FUCK YOU FACIST PIG KKK NAZI POLICE OFFICER
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Oct 11 21:04:51 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Oct 11 20:24:18 2021.* FUCK YOU KKK NAZI FACIST POLICE OFFICER
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Mon Oct 11 21:27:13 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Oct 11 20:25:00 2021.* No. And I'm not a coach either. But, I was born here, making me a native American
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Mon Oct 11 21:39:51 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 11 18:45:43 2021.* 2 things: First, an auto pulling up, occupant(s) quickly entering and exiting location and going back to the auto raises the suspicion levels. Secondly, most times, if not all, the Media doesn't know or print all priors. I've seen this throughout my career.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Mon Oct 11 21:50:53 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Easy on Mon Oct 11 19:48:36 2021.* Why is it necessary for a car's occupant to get out of a car before an officer can call his supervisor? [Your answer]The police claim that it was because they had already called for a drug sniffing dog and their procedure is for the driver to exit for safety reasons. According to the article: "The officer tells Owensby he will assist him in getting out of the vehicle, but Owensby tells the officer not to touch him and requests the officer call a superior. The officer responds by saying he will call his superior, but Owensby must get out of the car first." While leaving the car for using a drug sniffing dog might be Dayton's procedure, the officer stated that leaving the car was a precondition for calling his superior. The article continues: "So you can cooperate and get out of the car, or I will drag you out of the car. You see your two options here?" the officer yells at Owensby, who repeats his request for the officers to call a superior. Seconds later, two officers grab Owensby, and a struggle ensues." Obviously, there was urgency in not calling a supervisor. The police claim that a drug sniffing dog was called to sniff outside the ar. They claim that a search warrant is not needed to sniff the air around a car. According to Dayton's Police Procedures Section III Subsection D C. Ambient Air Sniffs 1. A drug detection canine may be utilized to sniff the ambient air around a vehicle on a traffic stop as long as it does not extend the duration of the stop. 2. The vehicle must be turned off during the ambient air sniff. 3. For the safety of the Canine Officer and the occupants, all occupants must be removed from the vehicle prior to the ambient air sniff Only subsection 1 specifically refers to sniffing ambient air around the car. Subsections 2 (turn off the motor) and 3 (remove occupant from the car) refer only to ambient air, not ambient air around the car, as does the Section III title. The ambient air for subsections 2 and 3 could also be inside the car. Subsection 3 (removing the occupants) does not make any sense, if the dogs are sniffing only the ambient air around the car on public property. It makes a lot of sense, if the dogs were called to sniff the ambient air within the car. Also, if the dogs were called to sniff the ambient air around the car, as per subsection 1, then calling the dogs would have extended the stop. This would violate the prohibition against extending the stop provision within subsection 1. Either the police officers were violating the extending the stop provision in subsection 1 to sniff the air around the car or they were violating the provision of section B subsection 2 by not having probable cause for a search warrant for a canine search of the car. The police claim that they could see a child unrestrained in the back seat. Ah yes, they saw the unrestrained child in the back seat through excessively tinted glass.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Mon Oct 11 22:10:04 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 11 21:39:51 2021.* Media doesn't know or print all priors. Neither did the police officers know of the priors before they stopped Mr. Owensby's car. First, an auto pulling up, occupant(s) quickly entering and exiting location and going back to the auto raises the suspicion levels. Suspicion levels are not probable cause for obtaining search warrants. Let me tell you my suspicions, without any probable cause in this case. It's well known that drug trafficking requires police cooperation (aka bribes) for its continued existence. The police in question were had a protection racket with the house occupant. Mr. Owensby was a drug supplier, who just delivered a stash. That accounts for the amount of cash found on his person. The house occupant had notified the police of the delivery. His payoff for protection by these police officers was his payment to Mr. Owensby. The police would stop Mr. Owensby after he left, take the cash and have the dogs sniff the delivery residue in the car. These police officers were using their own initiative. Their supervisor wasn't in on this racket. That's why these police turned ballistic, when Mr. Owensby demanded they call a supervisor. Again, suspicions are not probable cause.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Mon Oct 11 22:18:17 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 11 22:10:04 2021.* Sounds legit!🙄
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Posted by Easy* on Mon Oct 11 23:15:05 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 11 21:50:53 2021.* I read other articles, especially those from Dayton sources that have extensively covered this event. The stop was 11 minutes long. I also watched the video and you didn't or you wouldn't be asking about the tint given that the front windows were open. You may be correct about the police extending the stop. I haven't read anything about that and I'm not going to play lawyer about laws that I have no knowledge. If he is innocent hopefully he gets a fair trial and gets back his $22,000 in savings that he kept in a bag in his car that police confiscated. Either way, I don't think that they should have pulled him out of his car.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Oct 12 00:14:19 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Easy on Mon Oct 11 19:48:36 2021.* Has a drug sniffing dog ever not reacted the way its owner wants it to? The dog knows if it doesn't react they'll get rid of him. Cops like to get you out of the car no matter what. Why? Combination of their safety and maybe find something wrong with you.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Oct 12 00:24:13 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 11 22:10:04 2021.* Interesting take. But it's so hard for police to be part of drug rings today, like the NYPD from the 60's through Michael Dowd. Today it's too easy to get caught by technology.
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Posted by TransitChuckG* on Tue Oct 12 01:01:32 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Easy on Mon Oct 11 23:15:05 2021.* Either way, I don't think that they should have pulled him out of his car. I agree with you, Easy
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Oct 12 01:03:00 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 12 00:14:19 2021.* Yep, you're back to your crazy self, #37. Who misprescribed your meds?
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Oct 12 01:04:56 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 12 01:03:00 2021.* In other words, I'm right and you can't debate me.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Oct 12 01:09:55 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Easy on Mon Oct 11 23:15:05 2021.* Engage and escalate. Cops and civilians do it. On my end I want an eye in the sky society so everyone's guilt or innocence is easier to prove. I want cameras everywhere.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Oct 12 01:10:06 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Oct 11 20:26:56 2021.* Do you mean "shyster"? Shylock in Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice was a moneylender, and there were plenty of antisemitic overtones in his portrayal, making him out to be a greedy and vengeful loan shark, demanding the "pound of flesh" from rival Antonio as collateral. There's no evidence of any etymological link between "Shylock" and "shyster".
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Oct 12 01:12:06 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 12 01:04:56 2021.* Aw, you can be candid, can't you? You come off sounding like a criminal in your anti-police rants. You certainly have the point of view of a criminal. I've lived in inner cities for several decades and there is nobody that the police arrest that was not guilty of something. Of course, that is not true today in the case of enforcing COVID-1984 edicts, but that cannot be compared.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Oct 12 01:14:29 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Easy on Mon Oct 11 23:15:05 2021.* You sure want to play lawyer here. So you watched the video and missed the part where the officer offered to assist the guy out of the car but the guy kept going on about getting the "white shirt"? Guess you got arrested for something too in the past.
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