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Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 08:21:26 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him, posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 08:02:35 2021.

It's what YOU were talking about.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by 3-9 on Sun Sep 12 08:23:39 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Sep 12 07:31:39 2021.

Mr. Trump visited a police precinct and a neighboring firehouse in Midtown Manhattan.

Except the biggest losses were in the firehouses and precincts in Lower Manhattan. But Trump just couldn't be bothered.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 08:32:17 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 12 02:37:33 2021.

I doubt it. Who's "they" anyway ? Knowing his determination & personality, If he wanted to go, he would have went. I personally am glad he stayed away.

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Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 08:44:36 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 07:32:17 2021.

So while Donald Trump was not at ground zero yesterday, let's talk about who was there.

Bill Clinton #42 was there:
It was during his presidency that the 9/11 hijackers came to this country. Whe he used Monica Lewinsky as a humidors it was his appointee, Jamie Goerlick who enforced the rules preventing the FBI & CIA from sharing intelligence about the terrorists in the US.

George Bush #43 was there:
Not so many years ago, the marxist democrats who accused Mr. Bush of not responding to reports about airliners being used in possible terror attacks.

Barack Obama #44 was there:
He dealt with the taliban to negotiate the release of a US deserter, bo bergdhal in exchange for 5 taliban terrorists. Bergdhal was worthless to the US but 4 of the 5 released terrorists are now leaders of the taliban government in Afghanistan. The same terrorist government that now holds over 100 American citizens hostage.

Joe Biden #46 was there:
As vice president, he alone opposed Barack Obama sending more troops to Afghanistan. When Osama bin laments location was finally confirmed, it was Joe biden who was the lone voice against killing him. Of Joe biden;
Robert Gates said that biden has been on the wrong side of every important foreign policy decision in the last 45 years.
It was Barack Obama who said never underestimate Joe biden's ability to fuck things up.

So while Donald Trump may not have shown up, and may have made a stupid comment, this is why Jimmy Carter did not want to be in their company as he could not take credit for any of the mess 42, 43, 44 & 46 created.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 08:52:19 2021, in response to Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 08:44:36 2021.

No, Trump wasn't there because he is a self-absorbed douchebag, and Carter is 96 years old, with age-related travel restrictions.

Oh, and alone of all the living Presidents, Trump agreed to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners, including their current leader, a condition none of the other living Presidents would ever have acceded to. The same terrorist government that now rules Afghanistan was enabled by none other than your Lord and Savior.

Oh, and Obama never said "never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to fuck things up." Your pathological lying is sickening.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 08:56:40 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 08:52:19 2021.

CBS19 news, August 16, 2020

You ignorant father-fucker

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Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him

Posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 09:01:16 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 08:21:26 2021.

That was the number Chris brought up.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 09:05:11 2021, in response to Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 08:44:36 2021.

The Bush administration was asleep at the switch in the months before the attack. It then invadedAfghanistan to go after bin Laden and then gave up on looking for bin Laden.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 12 09:05:48 2021, in response to Conspicuous Absence, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 11 15:04:12 2021.

Does Biden even know if he was there or not? After all, he thinks he visited the synagogue in Pittsburgh where 11 people were murdered, when in fact he was never there.

Another story the Times never reported on, by the way. Just like the phone call Biden made to the Afghan President.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 09:07:14 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 08:56:40 2021.

From the article posted on that source:

"Barack Obama reportedly spoke with a Democrat, expressing his private doubts about Joe Biden becoming the Democrat presidential nominee in 2020.

According to Politico, the former president said: "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f... things up."

Someone else said Obama spoke those words. It's not a direct quote. Nice try, worm boy.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 09:16:12 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 09:07:14 2021.

So once again you were proven wrong. Major bitch slap.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 09:21:16 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 09:05:11 2021.

I dont understand your point.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 09:22:00 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 12 09:05:48 2021.

A perfect phone call

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 09:22:50 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 09:16:12 2021.

No, there is no direct proof that Obama ever said this, only hearsay.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 09:33:41 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 09:22:50 2021.

So the article uses the exact quote that I did. One person says obama didn't say that and in your small mind, not only does it prove that obama didn't say what I claimed but even though I provided a link to what I claimed, you call me a liar? What is actually wrong with you? Have you no integrity or shame? You keep proving to everyone else here, that you are a disreputable dirtbag.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 09:35:10 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 11 20:12:41 2021.

Of course they didn't want him there. But if he wanted to go, he'd have gone. Nobody could have stopped him. As an ex president, he has every right to be there like all the other ex presidents.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 12 09:36:26 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by 3-9 on Sun Sep 12 08:15:06 2021.

Chris's news sources said the groups with the biggest losses were police and fire. :(



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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 09:40:43 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 09:33:41 2021.

No, some unidentified person put those words in Obama's mouth. Stop deflecting.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 09:45:25 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 12 09:36:26 2021.

351 firefighters and EMTs were killed at the WTC. 60 police officers died on the line of duty. Yet, at Cantor Fitzgerald alone, 658 people perished. Ordinary civilians were by far the greatest number of casualties at the WTC on 9/11/01.

First responders, however, do comprise the greatest number of post-9/11 casualties from long-term illnesses or injury complications.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 09:46:41 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 09:40:43 2021.

Yes, and it was published by CBS, unverified? You are a pathetic little child. The really sad thing is that, for once in his life, Barack Obama was 100% correct. Joe Biden is a total fuck up, gnat

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 09:59:37 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 09:21:16 2021.

Iím faulting Bush for being negligent prior to the attacks of 9/11. Then I hold him responsible for invading Afghanistan and then later giving up on the hunt for bin Laden

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 10:00:40 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 09:35:10 2021.

Of course. And if he could act like a grown-up he shouldíve been there

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 10:20:56 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 09:46:41 2021.

CBS was very clear that their article was quoting hearsay, not Obama himself.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him

Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Sep 12 10:25:42 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Sep 12 07:02:51 2021.

Jayzee's post was true. This was an unofficial photo op & nothing more to feed his little ego.

Nothing wrong with the way he was treated. He got what he deserved.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 10:35:09 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 09:59:37 2021.

And just ignoring the fuck ups by Clinton, Obama and biden. That's very even handed of you.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 10:37:26 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 10:20:56 2021.

Quoting hearsay? LOL gnat

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Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him

Posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 10:44:21 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Sep 12 07:02:51 2021.

While four of the six living Presidents made time in their lives to attend 9/11 anniversary ceremonies this morning (Carter,being 96, couldn't travel, but spoke virtually), Trump was conspicuous by his absence from any of them.

Trump recently praised Robert E. Lee, a traitor who waged war against the United States, but won't honor genuine American heroes at the sites where they were brutally murdered.

What a cowardly scumbag.


What is untrue about this post? I mean of course you can disagree with the last sentence but the first paragraph describing Tís absence is accurate.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 10:45:36 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 10:35:09 2021.

Iím not ignoring any of that. Bush wasnít an innocent bystander

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 10:45:43 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 10:00:40 2021.

Well, I'm glad he wasn't. However, If maturity prevailed by all concerned, he could have rode with the other ex presidents and just for one day, forget about all differences in personality & philosophy and focused on the real real reason for being there, respect and honor the dead & comfort the living. But that wasn't meant to be.
BTW, being there in attendance front and center listening to my nephew reading his father's name on the stage, Donald Trump was the furthest thing on my mind. Most everybody elses' mind too.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 10:47:07 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 10:45:43 2021.

Iím glad you were there to see your brother honored and Iím sorry that you lost him.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 10:51:53 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 10:47:07 2021.

Thanks Fred. It was a long drive in from Pittsburgh, but I wouldn't have missed seeing my nephew up there in person for the world.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 10:53:20 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 10:51:53 2021.

Glad you were able to experience the ceremony. Condolences on your loss.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him

Posted by Allan on Sun Sep 12 11:15:46 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Sep 11 15:34:04 2021.

All that article shows is that he says he'll be in NYC.

He never showed.

Probably played golf.

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I stand corrected Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him

Posted by Allan on Sun Sep 12 11:21:51 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him, posted by Allan on Sun Sep 12 11:15:46 2021.

Ok so he visited some police and firehouses.

He should have gone to the WTC to pay his respects.

But as usual, it has to be all about him.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 11:40:48 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 10:53:20 2021.

Thanks, J-Z!

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 12:06:10 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by 3-9 on Sun Sep 12 08:15:06 2021.

Years ago, whenever the subject of my brother being killed on 9/11, usually the first question out of the box was "was he a fireman?"
That used to royally piss me off. My response (when I was in the mood to argue) usually was NO! he was on the 98th Fl of the North Tower. He was with Marsh McLennan. So he wasn't a fireman. Does that make our loss any different? Does that somehow diminish the loss or make it hurt less. Does that somehow make his wife & 3 kids he left behind insignificant since he was "just" a civilian? Does that make his death somewhat of an after thought as in the civilians killed there were some form of peons compared to the firemen?
That usually ended the conversation right there.
Later on I found out that he was the fire warden of his floor. Maybe that counts for something,

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Sep 12 12:19:26 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 12:06:10 2021.

Thanks for sharing that story.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 12 12:46:50 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by 3-9 on Sun Sep 12 08:23:39 2021.

The biggest loss for police personnel (both PAPD and NYPD) were those from commands from other parts of the area

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 12 12:47:57 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Sep 12 07:31:39 2021.

Not even Newman can prevent him from winning in 2024, if he decides to run. I personally think he's too old, but whatevs

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 12 12:54:09 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 12:06:10 2021.

You know what, I agree with your view. First responders weren't the ONLY ones who perished that day

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by WayneJay on Sun Sep 12 13:02:39 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 07:22:32 2021.

Agreed! One would think that perhaps his handlers would've been able to convince him that showing up is the decent thing to do. Of course no spotlight for him/nothing to gain probably factored into his decision to not attend. This is the person who claims to be so patriotic.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 12 13:03:51 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him, posted by Jimmymc25 on Sun Sep 12 02:33:39 2021.

Why should they be ashamed of themselves and why are they assholes? The cops and firemen are his base, along with the military. Everyone knows this, that's why he went.

Remember " People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf".

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Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 12 13:05:16 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 12 07:24:31 2021.

Does the term "credible sources" mean only sources that you agree with?

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 12 13:08:40 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 12 09:35:10 2021.

I think the people at the site would have wanted him there and cheered. It's the other presidents and the politicians who didn't want him.

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Re: Letís Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 12 13:18:38 2021, in response to Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 08:44:36 2021.

Trump wasn't allowed with the cabal presidents. They didn't want him there.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him

Posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 12 13:33:18 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 07:24:30 2021.

BDS

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Re: Letís Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 13:35:41 2021, in response to Re: Letís Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 12 13:18:38 2021.

[straight jacket man]

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 13:38:45 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 12 12:47:57 2021.

Bullshit. Heíll lose and is probably the only way Biden gets reŽlected if runs again. Trump is notoriously reviled. He has his base and nothing else.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 13:42:41 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by 3-9 on Sun Sep 12 08:15:06 2021.

No, because the college-educated white collar types abandoned him in droves. He wasnít paying tribute to anyone, he was campaigning. The traitor scumbag was using 9/11 as a prop.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 13:44:25 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence I found him, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Sep 12 01:22:56 2021.

No, it wouldnít have been. Trump is a whiny little bitch. Neither the current administration nor anyone else would have been opposed to his presence if he behaved himself.

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