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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:54:08 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 14:50:57 2021.

Wasn't botched? Have you watched what has happened over the last few weeks there? I'd hate to see what you would consider botched, if you think this wasn't botched, and went well.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 14:54:55 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:54:08 2021.

Surrender isnít pretty.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 14:55:56 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:53:01 2021.

Except that Trump orchestrated the disaster by negotiating the release of the Taliban from prison.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 15:05:18 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 14:55:56 2021.

Half a division's worth of Taliban prisoners, at that, AND their leader.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 13 15:08:10 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 13:46:39 2021.

Bit I'm not a party shill. I vote for whomever is in my best interest, not a Party's interest.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 15:11:33 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 13 15:08:10 2021.

Oh, please.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 15:19:49 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:54:08 2021.

Iíd like to hear what constitutes botched

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 15:21:05 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:50:20 2021.

Itís withdrawal or not withdrawal that will determine the future. The manner of withdrawal has nothing to do with the future

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 15:21:08 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:50:20 2021.

Itís withdrawal or not withdrawal that will determine the future. The manner of withdrawal has nothing to do with the future

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 15:21:56 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 13 14:28:51 2021.

Such as?

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 15:26:21 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 13 15:08:10 2021.

My best interest is to defeat the Trumpist fascists.

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Re: Devilís Advocate, Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 13 15:27:27 2021, in response to Re: Devilís Advocate, Conspicuous Absence, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 14:31:04 2021.


lol

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Re: Devilís Advocate, Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 13 15:28:01 2021, in response to Re: Devilís Advocate, Conspicuous Absence, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 13 14:06:17 2021.

Donald Trump has some slaining to do.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 13 15:28:05 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 14:45:58 2021.

Cuz, you gotta stop blaming Trump for Biden being a screwup. Trump is gone, it's on Biden until January 2025.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 13 15:28:46 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:49:00 2021.

Explain, please. How do the circumstances of withdrawal rather than the fact of withdrawal will cause problems for the United States. That staement makes no sense.



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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 13 15:29:41 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 15:19:49 2021.

Leaving our Afghan allies behind.

But that has no long term ramifications for the US, just for the individuals.



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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 15:31:47 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 13 15:28:05 2021.

If Biden had reneged on Trump's agreement, you'd be complaining that our troops were still waging endless war in Afghanistan.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 15:34:40 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 15:31:47 2021.

Of course, I wouldnít complain as I support ďendless war.Ē

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 13 15:42:33 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 15:11:33 2021.

I do, so IDK why you said that?

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 13 15:43:23 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 15:26:21 2021.

Are they in a comic book, along side Obama's "death camps"?

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 15:44:29 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 15:11:33 2021.

🙄

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 15:46:10 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 15:21:05 2021.

Of course it does. If we would have done it properly, the country wouldn't be in a vacuum. When it first saw that the country was falling, a stop button should have been pushed. We kept leaving. We gave up Baghram, we have up our military equipment. WE LEFT people behind. Every aspect of this was BOTCHED.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 15:47:39 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by AlM on Mon Sep 13 15:28:46 2021.

The withdrawal could have been done many different ways, with different results. This obviously was the wrong way to do it.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 15:47:56 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by AlM on Mon Sep 13 15:29:41 2021.

That is incorrect.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 15:48:53 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 15:31:47 2021.

Then I guess we are3 still in endless wars with Japan, Korea, Germany, and so forth, as we have military presence in all of those countries.

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Re: Devil's Advocate, Conspicuous Absence

Posted by 3-9 on Mon Sep 13 15:49:45 2021, in response to Re: Devil's Advocate, Conspicuous Absence, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 12:24:14 2021.

Particularly if you replace the swamp with a toxic waste dump (Trump).

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Sep 13 16:50:26 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 15:31:47 2021.

It was a condition based agreement. They already had not been living up to the agreement. He even amended the date to make a political stunt around September 11th, which obviously backfired on him.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 16:54:05 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 15:46:10 2021.

We left military equipment in a useless and unusable state.

There was no opportunity to stop. What should we have done? ReÔnvade?

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 16:54:29 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 15:48:53 2021.

IAWTP

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 16:55:29 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Sep 13 16:50:26 2021.

What conditions were they violating?

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 17:00:33 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 15:48:53 2021.

We're not in a shooting war with any if those countries.

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 13 17:09:44 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 13 15:08:10 2021.

Same boat

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 17:14:37 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 17:00:33 2021.

We werenít in a shooting war with the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan either.

And as for Korea, why donít you tell Capt. Arthur Bonifas and Lt. Mark Barrett that the shooting war ended in 1953?

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Re: Devil's Advocate, Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Jimmymc25 on Mon Sep 13 17:16:20 2021, in response to Re: Devil's Advocate, Conspicuous Absence, posted by 3-9 on Mon Sep 13 15:49:45 2021.

Yeah thatís about as toxic as it gets.

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Re: Devil's Advocate, Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 17:18:13 2021, in response to Re: Devil's Advocate, Conspicuous Absence, posted by 3-9 on Mon Sep 13 15:49:45 2021.

Excellent analogy.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Sep 13 17:20:03 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 17:14:37 2021.

You beat me to it. The first sentence anyway as I know nothing about Lt Barrett and Capt Bonifas.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 13 17:27:56 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 17:14:37 2021.

BITCH-SLAP THAT BITCH

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 17:30:11 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 15:48:53 2021.

Apples and oranges. Our troops arenít in danger in those countries

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 17:31:41 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by AlM on Mon Sep 13 15:29:41 2021.

Right. The Taliban was going to end up with Afghanistan regardless of how the withdrawal went

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 17:32:46 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 15:47:39 2021.

Other than leaving Afghanistan, or staying, what other results would there be?

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 17:34:48 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 17:14:37 2021.

Our troops were being attacked until we agreed to leave. Then during the time of the agreement as in from February 2020 they were not attacked.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 17:38:11 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 15:46:10 2021.

Probably somebody found out that the Taliban was paying off the regional tribal leaders and there wasnít going to be a war to defend Afghanistan 🇦🇫

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Re: Conspicuous Absence

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 17:39:00 2021, in response to Re: Conspicuous Absence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 13 15:43:23 2021.

Yeah theyíre in Breitbart and the New York post 🤣

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 17:42:18 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Sep 13 17:20:03 2021.

Obviously I expect most people who want to know who they are to google it. I did.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 17:44:21 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 17:31:41 2021.

Right. Which is why we never should have withdrawn in the first place.

To clarify: I blame Trump for the shitty withdrawal deal, and Biden for actually withdrawing and honoring the deal.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 17:46:58 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 17:44:21 2021.

And the Taliban would feel gypped and start shooting American troops again.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 17:48:28 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 17:46:58 2021.

The Taliban are vermin and should be indiscriminately slaughtered to the extent permitted by international convention.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 13 17:55:01 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 17:48:28 2021.

Well we havenít done it in 20 years so what are you waiting for? 😅

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 13 18:21:55 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 13 17:27:56 2021.

Bitch-slap yourself.

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Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence)

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 13 18:25:07 2021, in response to Re: Lets Talk About Who Was There (was: Conspicuous Absence), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 17:48:28 2021.

Are you volunteering, cowboy

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