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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 06:58:23 2021 What a difference a COVID-19 year makes with the media telling you this.....2020: Standard COVID - - no vaccine yet - - Don't go out, and if you must do, mask up indoors and out. Stay 6 feet apart. 2021: Delta variant is 9 times more contagious than standard COVID - - vaccines available that are highly effective against BOTH regular and Delta: Mask up indoors, but not outdoors even if you are fully vaccinated (and would rarely be in the hospital) - - no social distancing - - no restrictions - - carry on. The Lying Leftist Liberal media, led by the inept CDC and Dr. Fraudci are gaslighting again. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 3 07:31:27 2021, in response to COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 06:58:23 2021. Mindless liberal drones will be in one straight line. Unsure, they will wear masks when driving alone because they are "indoors." |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Aug 3 08:47:16 2021, in response to COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 06:58:23 2021. American meda. American CDC.No one else is sending mixed messages. NYTimes covered it well when they said it was all political. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 09:46:18 2021, in response to COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 06:58:23 2021. What a difference a COVID-19 year makes with the media telling you this.....Duh! There is a big difference in the message because in 2021 you can be vaccinated if you choose to be and are over 12. That's a game changer. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 10:02:26 2021, in response to COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 06:58:23 2021. vaccines available that are highly effective against BOTH regular and Delta:Both CDC and Israel's Ministry of Health would differ regarding how effective vaccines are against Delta variant. Real world data: 50% of new cases in Israel are fully vaccinated. With 60% of population fully vaccinated this implies the vaccine is 40% effective. 80% of cases in Provincetown were fully vaccinated. With 60% of the population fully vaccinated, this implies vaccine is 0% effective. Mask up indoors, but not outdoors Avoiding Covid means not inhaling the virus. The amount of virus that's inhaled is proportional to the density of virus particles in the air that's breathed. Outdoors the air is being recirculated and any virus concentration is being continually diluted. Not so for indoors. Active virus aerosols can remain suspended in air for 72 hours. Given fixed floor and ceiling, spreading is cylindrical (1/r) as opposed to the usual spherical spreading (1/r2). N95 masks trap 95% of virus particles. no social distancing A person infected with the Delta variant sheds approximately 1000 times more virus particles. In order to provide the same particle density in the air as the original variant, the indoors separation would have to be 1000 * 6 or 6000 feet because of cylindrical spreading. Even the outdoor safe spherical spreading would have to be 190 feet (sqrt(1000) * 6). The increased shedding load makes social distancing impractical. led by the inept CDC The list should include the health authorities of almost every country. They bet the farm on the unproved assumptions that: low level community spread could be maintained; a vaccine and vaccination program could be implemented before the virus mutated to make the vaccines ineffective; have been slow to react when assumptions were disproved; have been too willing to craft recommendations to economic rather than health considerations. One big problem is the belief that new case rates can be reduced by vaccination and mask wearing. Until now, isolation (lockdown) has been required. There's only one possible exception: the UK during the last 2 weeks. However, there may be two caveats. The decline did not start until after school vacations started. There is a push app, where people are alerted to isolate for 10 days, when they come in contact with a person or place with Covid. That application has been successful in keeping about 600,000 people isolated. Many of them are supermarket employees. It's the reason that supermarket shelves are bare - plenty of supplies, nobody to put them on the shelves. There are signs the UK decline is flattening out. Further study is required for longer term trends. No preparation for the coming Lambda variant. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 3 10:05:02 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 10:02:26 2021. Say what? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Aug 3 10:18:07 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 10:02:26 2021. "50% of new cases in Israel are fully vaccinated. With 60% of population fully vaccinated this implies the vaccine is 40% effective."What if the whole population(70-80%) were vaccinated? Israel is no longer #1 in vax. " a vaccine and vaccination program could be implemented before the virus mutated to make the vaccines ineffective;" I remember this being the purpose before July 2020...or maybe it was June 2020. Before we decided we love the virus and want to live with it. ". Even the outdoor safe spherical spreading would have to be 190 feet (sqrt(1000) * 6). The increased shedding load makes social distancing impractical." So the rest of the world who say masks outdoors are correct? I figure that must be the case since dog walkers are almost twice as likely to have caught the alpha variant as people who do not own dogs. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 12:20:32 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Aug 3 10:18:07 2021. What if the whole population(70-80%) were vaccinated? Israel is no longer #1 in vax.This data is several weeks old. The 60% fully vaccinated figure was correct at that time. Even today, their figure is only 62% fully vaccinated. The 50% figure for simplifies the math a bit. # of vaccinated people catching covid = # of unvaccinated catching covid N * P(covid given vaccinated) * P(vaccinated) = N * P(covid given unvaccinated) * P(unvaccinated) P(covid given vaccinated)/P(covid given unvaccinated) = P(unvaccinated)/P(vaccinated) L = P(unvaccinated) - P(vaccinated) Effectiveness = 1-L = 1 - P(unvaccinated)/P(vaccinated) for 70%, effectiveness = 57% for 80%, effectiveness = 75% Before we decided we love the virus and want to live with it. Pandemics represent an existential threat. One problem with exponential growth is that drastic/draconian action must be taken before the threat becomes obvious. So the rest of the world who say masks outdoors are correct? What's the downside? I figure that must be the case since dog walkers are almost twice as likely to have caught the alpha variant as people who do not own dogs. You have more to fear from Fluffy and possibly Bambi. Felines of all species appear to be more at risk. There have been documented instances of Covid being spread by virus shedding from feces. Mask up before cleaning Fluffy's litter box. |
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Posted by Transitbuff on Tue Aug 3 16:51:58 2021, in response to COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 06:58:23 2021. ...more like....GAS BAGGING!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 19:13:02 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 09:46:18 2021. Yes, but then stop with the fucking masks |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 19:25:23 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 19:13:02 2021. What exactly are you talking about?The only places I see masks generally worn are: - NYC public transit - Private establishments that require them. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 19:38:03 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 19:25:23 2021. NYC isn't the country. Deblasio specifically said he's not doing it because he wants va cine mandate indoors insteadHow NYCcentric of you. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 19:38:21 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 19:25:23 2021. NYC isn't the country. Deblasio specifically said he's not doing it because he wants vaccine mandate indoors insteadHow NYCcentric of you. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 19:46:29 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 19:38:03 2021. How NYCcentric of you.How is it different in Suffolk County? I wasn't aware you had a governmental mask mandate. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 19:55:49 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 19:46:29 2021. I was talking specifically the CDC and the Biden administration. You were talking where you live in New York City. So I actually corrected you cuz I actually travel out of my home area and New York City |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 20:05:15 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 19:55:49 2021. So everything I said about NYC applies to where you live too. Nothing NYC-centric at all. Obviously other areas of the country have different rules. But many areas have the same rules as where I live and where you live.So again, what is the issue? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 20:14:57 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 20:05:15 2021. We were talking covid 2020 to 2021, in reference to Biden vs trump, and you narrowed it to centric place you live. I did not. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 3 20:20:10 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 12:20:32 2021. The bottom line is that statistically if you fully vaccinated and are in good health, you have a better chance of dying from seasonal flu, bee stings or gunshot wounds than dying from any form of covid out there now. Howevever, If you are around under 12 y/o kids and worried about being an unintentional delta carrier, then mask up. If you are around the elderly or someone seriously compromised not knowing if they are vaccinated or not & think you might be an unintentional carrier of delta, then mask up. Thats common sense & common sense always trumps hysteria.Otherwise, for healthy vaccinated folks resulting in a statistically infinitesimal risk of getting seriously ill , the pandemic is over. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 3 20:22:54 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 3 20:20:10 2021. AWESOME POST! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 3 20:30:17 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 20:14:57 2021. Truth |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 20:34:12 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 19:55:49 2021. You were talking where you live in New York City.Yes, but my response was not NYC-centric. It applies widely but not everywhere. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 20:36:08 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 3 20:20:10 2021. The bottom line is that statistically if you fully vaccinated and are in good health, you have a better chance of dying from seasonal flu, bee stings or gunshot wounds than dying from any form of covid out there now. How sure are you of that? I agree that fully vaccinated is way better than not vaccinated, but based on the stats I've seen covid is still a lot more dangerous than the other items you mention. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 21:04:44 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 19:55:49 2021. Chris, I can't wait to leave my birthplace/hometown city, one where I once loved as a former Democrat. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 21:45:00 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 3 20:20:10 2021. The bottom line is that statistically if you fully vaccinated and are in good health, you have a better chance of dying from seasonal flu, bee stings or gunshot wounds than dying from any form of covid out there now...Otherwise, for healthy vaccinated folks resulting in a statistically infinitesimal risk of getting seriously ill , the pandemic is over.So long as Covid remains endemic in the community, it will mutate into a variant that will overwhelm existing vaccines and therapeutics. It's already happened. Invitro experiments have revealed the Lambda variant is immune to existing vaccine antibodies. The morbidity of those infected is similar to the unvaccinated who catch the Delta variant. A few cases have been identified in the United States. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 3 21:49:23 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 21:04:44 2021. ✔ ✔ ✔ |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 3 22:07:00 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 20:36:08 2021. Theres a stat out there that the % of fully vaccinated folks (USA) dying from covid it somewhere around 0.0007%. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 22:12:21 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 3 22:07:00 2021. But wait. Even witb .0007 death rate among the fully vaccinated, the CDC even admitted that all vaccines are highly effective against the Delta variant.But Nazi blue states either want all the fully vaccinated to mask up or show vaccine proof to the gestapo. 2022 midterms will show how fed up Americans are with the lockdowns, mask mandates and vaccine PROFFS. Even legendary rapper Busta Rhymes cursed up a dtorm against this Nazi lockdown. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 23:38:17 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 22:12:21 2021. the CDC even admitted that all vaccines are highly effective against the Delta variant.Unfortunately, none of the vaccines is effective against the Lambda variant. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1007566/S1335_Long_term_evolution_of_SARS-CoV-2.pdf |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 4 00:17:35 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 19:13:02 2021. Google's pushing masking again. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 4 00:36:23 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 3 20:14:57 2021. This is a NY centric bulletin board. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 02:43:58 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 4 00:36:23 2021. Yes. Except we were talking about a national topic. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 02:44:48 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 20:34:12 2021. No, it was very NYCcentric. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 02:46:37 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 21:04:44 2021. You can search my past posts, I often said, "I don't see myself ever leaving the NYC metro area" many many times in the past here. Now I can't wait to get the F out if here. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 4 03:36:55 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 02:46:37 2021. I hear you!... Sorry! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 4 08:07:07 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 23:38:17 2021. I think my chance of getting covid are much greater than hearing a positive post from you! |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 4 08:12:14 2021, in response to COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 3 06:58:23 2021. Viruses mutate and you have to be prepared for any eventuality. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 4 08:13:50 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 23:38:17 2021. Better stock up on toilet paper and Lysol. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 4 08:29:57 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 4 08:12:14 2021. Well, since the Lamda varient began in Peru, it was brave and forward thinking of the biden administration to immediately seal the southern border and protect the American citizenz. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Aug 4 08:39:50 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 4 00:36:23 2021. Covid only effects New York? Is this like Spider-pigs President Trump fetish?Do I need to change the subject line again? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Aug 4 08:41:00 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 4 08:29:57 2021. He only seals the border against white countries, like Canada or anything in Europe.Everybody knows that. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Aug 4 08:47:59 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 12:20:32 2021. "You have more to fear from Fluffy and possibly Bambi. Felines of all species appear to be more at risk. There have been documented instances of Covid being spread by virus shedding from feces. Mask up before cleaning Fluffy's litter box."I was not even considering this aspect, I was considering these dense apartment blocks. I'm not sure if it matters if we are considering a walk-up or the sunbelt apartment complexes. I have 16 doors sharing a breezeway. The same # of people are out there watching their dogs defecate every time I go outside, or look outside the window. Everyday, everynight. multiply this by the number of breezeways of people who share the same tiny patch of pooping grass, and I can see why dog walkers have a high transmission rate. Aerosolization, or the feces factor?  They all lookalike from coast to coast |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Aug 4 08:52:44 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 3 22:07:00 2021. That's with healthcare provisions. Without healthcare provisions, you die from lack of oxygen and get burned in a mass pile of bodies.I know everyone wants to compare everything to the flu because you have had the flu and that is all you can register, but that presents two issues. 1) The flu was not always here and a rite of passage, 2) no one wants the flu, and 3) this is not a flu. a) there is no such thing as "long-flu" that effects 10% of the people who get it, and 1a) I never lost several classmates in school for over a week to a month for the flu, and b) We don't lose 1% of the spectators of every football game to the flu. And last but not least, I want a blood test of everyone who self-diagnoses as "healthy". Are the US Womens Olympic Gymnast's healthy? One has long covid. I know some knuckleheads want to claim only NY Topics on the board, but it doesn't always work that neatly. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 4 08:59:48 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 3 22:07:00 2021. You're far less likely than that to die of a bee sting in the upcoming year. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Aug 4 09:02:23 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 4 08:59:48 2021. Because they're disappearing, or because I don't live in California Almond country? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Aug 4 09:31:26 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Aug 4 08:52:44 2021. Speaking of "healthy", I just heard through the grapevine that a local (to me) childrens hospital lost a teen who was "healthy" to covid. The childrens wards are filling this time around. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 10:07:51 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 4 08:12:14 2021. If we had near-universal vaccination, there would be no mutations. The unvaxxed are ruining it for the rest of us. That’s why I wholeheartedly support the new NYC vaccine passport. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Aug 4 10:09:22 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 4 08:29:57 2021. since the Lamda varient began in Peru, it was brave and forward thinking of the biden administration to immediately seal the southern border and protect the American citizenz.1. The Lambda variant is already in this country. 2. Its host was most likely an American citizen who returned to the US by air and used a West Coast airport. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 4 10:10:44 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Aug 4 09:02:23 2021. Probably both. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Aug 4 11:29:27 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 10:07:51 2021. If we had near-universal vaccination, there would be no mutations. The unvaxxed are ruining it for the rest of us.That's only true if "we" meant the entire world, or the US prevented people from abroad from entering without first quarantining. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 12:24:01 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 3 20:22:54 2021. I agree! |
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