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Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 15:11:46 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 14:42:02 2015. The operative word is "seems". The video does not show the entire conversation IN CONTEXT. It was EDITED (poorly) by some hater RWer to inflame. The only conclusion that can be drawn from it is that it is bogus. If one really wants the truth about this "issue", they should contact Planned Parenthood and enquire about research donations. |
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Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 15:13:49 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 14:42:02 2015. Your question is insulting, BTW. To make such an insinuation towards another human being reveals hate. It reveals very ugly attitudes. |
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Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:16:39 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 16 14:56:58 2015. But if a woman decides to have an abortion, I see no problem with the fetus being used for medical research that can make us healthier in the long run.You're begging the question. We don't know this intent or this result. As for callousness, how should people talk when they are talking about tissue for research? I'm an actuary and a lot of my job involves using tables that predict how long people will live. When I discuss mortality rates with a colleague, am I required to say "God rest their souls" at the end of every sentence? That's snarky. Discussing probabilities is a little different. You find crunching numbers and crushing living beings equivalent? |
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Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 16 15:20:42 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:16:39 2015. I crush living beings all the time. I usually don’t feel bad about it (I once felt bad about killing a spider). |
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Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:23:42 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 15:11:46 2015. It was EDITED (poorly) by some hater RWer to inflame.You don't know that. It is claimed that agencies received the entire 3-hour video. I don't know that this is true and you don't know it isn't. The only conclusion that can be drawn from it is that it is bogus. That's not the only conclusion. If one really wants the truth about this "issue", they should contact Planned Parenthood and enquire about research donations. And if you want to know the video is bogus, why don't you just ask the people who made it? I suspect you would say because Planned Parenthood is angelic and the video makers are demonic. You have faith. |
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Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:27:01 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 15:13:49 2015. The idea of harvesting organs from a living being is ugly. Why is it so important to you that this video is bogus? What if it isn't? People talk about the abstract issues of late-term abortion but no one wants to see "how the sausage is made." |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:27:48 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 16 15:20:42 2015. Why was the spider so enobled? |
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Re: ITALIANSTALLION IS THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON SUBCHAT |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 16 15:30:32 2015, in response to Re: ITALIANSTALLION IS THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON SUBCHAT, posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 14:44:47 2015. Then if I were to hate and discriminate against Jews, what would that be in a general sense, aside from anti-Semitism? |
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Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 15:33:04 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:23:42 2015. Wrong. That the video is edited has been proven. The full video has been out there for a while, and remained uncontroversial until hacked by those RW haters. In fact, it's only a story within the lardmouth echo chamber. The rest of the world knows its bogus. Throw your radio away. |
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Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 16 15:35:01 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:27:01 2015. I've always thought there were two main arguments against abortion, but you've added a third.1. Abortion pyschologically and spiritually diminsihes many of the women who have one. 2. Abortion is the taking of human life and a grievous sin against God. 3. Abortion is disgusting and ugly and not for the squeamish. Frankly, I think the third argument is way weaker than the first two. |
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Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 16 15:39:15 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 16 14:56:58 2015. a very long AlMian reply.Very long. And your logic makes me laugh. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:41:01 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 15:33:04 2015. I don't listen to the radio, though I know what you're driving at.I know we're very different politically, but I don't think of you as immoral or amoral. So I was struck by your immediate reaction "DISPROVEN". You could have defended what is depicted, as Italianstallion apparently wanted to; you could have shrugged it off as technical talk among professionals, which I think was what AlM was touching on. But you keeping insisting it's bogus. You're acknowledging the moral issue and you're acknowledging the damning appearance of what's going on. You won't face up to the implications if it's not bogus. |
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Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 15:42:42 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:27:01 2015. No, its only ugly to you. In order to save others' lives, organs are extracted from living beings every day. After a brain death, a (consensual) donor is kept artificially functionally alive in order to recover organs. There's a longer list of transplantable organs than you probably think. They need to remain viable during the time it takes to recover them for one.People inflame the procedures involved in abortion for their political purposes, they are not barbaric in actual execution. There's no screaming fetuses, drama or anything of the sort. It's all about propaganda aimed at the economic repression of women, attempting to ensure second class citizen status and continued dependency on others rather than allowing them control over all aspects of their lives and full freedom of self determination. |
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Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:49:01 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 16 15:35:01 2015. 1. Abortion pyschologically and spiritually diminsihes many of the women who have one.2. Abortion is the taking of human life and a grievous sin against God. 3. Abortion is disgusting and ugly and not for the squeamish. Frankly, I think the third argument is way weaker than the first two. Number 3 is not an argument. It is an observation, and the reason a lot of people want the video to not be true. It is like insisting on calling a partial-birth abortion "dilation and evacuation," or crushing a fetus's skull "intrauterine cranial decompression." When you have to use a clinical term to a layman, you are acknowledging the problem. "This man wasn't stabbed to death, the perp performed a 'multiple deep incision and body fluid evacuation.' " |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:56:48 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 15:42:42 2015. You talk about "political purposes"? Your evaluation of the motives of all who oppose late-term abortion (which is what we're discussing here) is openly political: "It's all about propaganda aimed at the economic repression of women, attempting to ensure second class citizen status and continued dependency on others rather than allowing them control over all aspects of their lives and full freedom of self determination."It's all about the woman; only the woman; there is no other being worthy of any consideration at all. Not even an anesthetic. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 16:03:05 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:49:01 2015. There is no such thing as "partial birth" abortions. There is no "birth" involved. If you can't deal with the reality of medical procedures, stay out of the discussion until you grow up.As to the three points, 1) is only because so many attach guilt and drama to an already difficult choice, and the womans reaction to the hormonal shift that happens after the procedure. 2) is entirely each and every individual's choice. Those who believe its a sin should not have one. 3) reread the first paragraph of this message. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 16:04:57 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 15:56:48 2015. In terms of late term procedures it's about their LIVES.Oh, BTW, anesthesia crosses the placenta. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jul 16 16:06:44 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 15:42:42 2015. Your saying the motives are "aimed at the economic repression of women, attempting to ensure second class citizen status and continued dependency on others rather than allowing them control over all aspects of their lives and full freedom of self determination" is SO MUCH BULLSHIT and frankly INSULTING to anyone who is pro-life. |
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Re: ITALIANSTALLION IS THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON SUBCHAT |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 16:10:48 2015, in response to Re: ITALIANSTALLION IS THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON SUBCHAT, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 16 15:30:32 2015. That's more complicated, based on perceptions.1. It might not be anti-Semitism, although that is a widely accepted term, because all Semites are not Jews, and people can be Jewish without being a Semite. 2. If you accept that Jews are a distinct ethnicity, then ethnocentrism could apply. 3. If you accept the old proposition that Jews are a distinct race (the Nazis weren't the only ones who thought so), it is racism. 4. If you agree with many (most?) anthropologists that race when speaking about humans is a social rather than a biological designation, then you are left with "anti-Jew" or "Jew-hater." |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 16:16:03 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jul 16 16:06:44 2015. You should consider you attitude perhaps, but it is not meant as an insult. It is a statement of fact. Without full ability to control reproduction, women are not able to fully enjoy equality in economic participation for one, and that's a HUGE part of self determination. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 16:26:17 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 16:03:05 2015. If you can't deal with the reality of medical procedures, stay out of the discussion until you grow up.My mother died of an Anterior Myocardial Infarction. If someone asks what she died of, do I say "a heart attack" because I'm not grown up. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 16:33:14 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 16:26:17 2015. Say whatever you want. I'm sorry to hear that happened. |
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Re: Planned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 17 06:11:14 2015, in response to Re: Planned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 15 23:36:46 2015. yeah. But at least they apologizedOn my end, I say abortion lowers crime and certain segments of society are best guided towards an abortion. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Jul 17 11:12:25 2015, in response to Re: DISPROVENPlanned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 16 16:33:14 2015. Thank you for the sympathetic comment. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jul 17 15:37:21 2015, in response to Re: ITALIANSTALLION IS THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON SUBCHAT, posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 16 16:10:48 2015. Be that as it may, since we're speaking colloquially, I think "racist" is still the appropriate term in my original post. |
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Re: Planned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 21 16:32:06 2015, in response to Re: Planned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 16 13:55:15 2015. BUMP |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 8 01:01:19 2021, in response to ITALIANSTALLION IS THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON SUBCHAT, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 15 20:31:44 2015. Racist post. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Apr 8 01:20:24 2021, in response to Re: ITALIANSTALLION IS THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON SUBCHAT, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 8 01:01:19 2021. LMAO |
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