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1984 In 2021
Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 14 23:06:10 2021 In the 1960s, we were required to read "1984" by George Orwell. Food for thought in those days. You knowing, thought police and being encouraged to report those who did not follow the inner party rule. In true Orwell fashion, I had a very close friend back then who found out that her mother was having an affair. She never told her siblings - at least not then, but she wanted to tell her father but asked me what I thought. Long story short, I told her that she would destroy her family and her relationship with her mother for ever if she told her father. I only mention this yesterday because 18 year old Helena Duke from MA. recognized her mother, her uncle and aunt on TV as people who were among the US Capitol rioters. Faced with a similar dilemma, Helena did what any woke child would do and turned her mother, her uncle and aunt in. Well, what the fuck. Christmas is over and she'll worry about next Christmas when the time comes. Couldn't help thinking , what an Orwellian thing to do to one's own mother. There's got to be a special place in hell for a bitch like Helena.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Thu Jan 14 23:12:36 2021, in response to 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 14 23:06:10 2021.* So she’s a ratish type person?
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jan 14 23:16:29 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 14 23:12:36 2021.* To say the least. I do not approve of what her mother did and she deserved to be caught and face the consequences. But to be turned in by your own daughter, well hell has a very warm corner for that bitch.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Jan 14 23:16:53 2021, in response to 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 14 23:06:10 2021.* Her father may not be her father. Same for her siblings who could be fathered by different men. As for the MA girl, I'm not surprised.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jan 14 23:23:14 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 14 23:16:53 2021.* Father is the man who raised her, regardless. Her mom has since passed on but she remains devoted to her father who now in his 90s with advanced altzheimers but who never learned the truth from his daughter.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Thu Jan 14 23:26:40 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 14 23:16:29 2021.* It 2021 like you said man
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Jan 14 23:27:46 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 14 23:23:14 2021.* I have a lot to say about women. Trust me. Instead, I just want to inform this message board about the new hit show, "Call Me Kat" on Fox. It features Mayim Bialik as a 39 year-old who quits her job to open a cat cafe and dates a man who is 6'4, swimmer's body and good looking. He's a 10. She's a 4. That's how women today see the world. A woman who is a 4 feels like she deserves much more.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Thu Jan 14 23:38:37 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 14 23:27:46 2021.* Plus a woman who is 44 or 45 playing a ‘person’ 39 is another gimmick.
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Re: Misuse of 1984 by conservatives.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Jan 14 23:42:53 2021, in response to 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 14 23:06:10 2021.* This has nothing to do with 1984. The metaphor you’re looking for is “Pavlik Morozov.”
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Jan 14 23:43:26 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 14 23:38:37 2021.* that's reasonable. But the 6'4 guy dating her, is total cat lady fantasy. The show appeals to the Biden voter for sure.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Jan 14 23:43:37 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 14 23:16:29 2021.* How do you know that the mother wasn’t an awful person to her daughter such that her daughter justifiably hated her mother?
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Thu Jan 14 23:50:57 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 14 23:43:26 2021.* Or the worse mentally incompetent
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Jan 15 00:54:03 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 14 23:27:46 2021.* I have a lot to say about women So much that you come off as a misogynist, #37.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Jan 15 00:54:54 2021, in response to 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 14 23:06:10 2021.* Hey . . . the commies want to ban religion, so Christmas is obviously on the way out.
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Re: Misuse of 1984 by conservatives?
Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Jan 15 00:56:55 2021, in response to Re: Misuse of 1984 by conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 14 23:42:53 2021.* Nope.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Fri Jan 15 03:20:37 2021, in response to 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 14 23:06:10 2021.* No one likes a rat. Of course even she's in the street next year because nobody is paying the upkeep of their house, she'll have no one to blame but herself.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 15 05:25:40 2021, in response to 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 14 23:06:10 2021.* Here's the truth you conveniently omitted from your vitriolic narrative. Of course, you would side with a family of violent, traitorous terrorists, who took part in a deadly insurrection, over the young woman who dared to call them out on their treason. You, too, are a fucking traitor.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 15 06:01:21 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jan 15 03:20:37 2021.* Interesting. You side with a family of terrorists, that took part in a violent coup attempt that left one police officer dead, and several others severely injured.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jan 15 06:17:53 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 15 06:01:21 2021.* I find it interesting that so many of these people are so hated by the people who know them that they can’t wait to turn them in.
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Re: Misuse of “1984” by conservatives
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jan 15 06:21:38 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 15 05:25:40 2021.* Looks like my speculation was entirely accurate.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 15 06:27:31 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 15 06:17:53 2021.* I don't find that surprising at all. Think about it: the people who took part in this treasonous raid brought explosives, guns, flex cuffs, and Tasers to the Capitol with them. They constructed a gallows on the Capitol steps (presumably to publicly hang members of Congress who dared to defy Trump's wishes by certifying a free, fair, and legitimate election), vandalized the building, stole mail, computers, lecterns and other items from legislators, committed arson, killed a police officer, and attempted the violent overthrow of the government. Oh, and they brazenly boasted about their actions on social media, complete with pics and video, because they really believe consequences don't apply to them. Imagine what their behavior is like at home around people they know.
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Re: Misuse of “1984” by conservatives
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 15 06:28:55 2021, in response to Re: Misuse of “1984” by conservatives, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 15 06:21:38 2021.* Yup. Very much so!
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Re: 1984 In 2021
Posted by Dave* on Fri Jan 15 07:12:50 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 14 23:43:37 2021.* I read that they did have a very strained relationship.
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Posted by Dave* on Fri Jan 15 07:14:01 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 15 00:54:03 2021.* +1
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jan 15 07:51:12 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 14 23:43:37 2021.* I dont know
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 15 07:53:25 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 15 07:51:12 2021.* Yet you still vilified the daughter anyway. Typical.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jan 15 07:54:01 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 15 06:01:21 2021.* I guess your diminutive stature has impaired your reading ability, little guy.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jan 15 07:54:58 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 15 07:53:25 2021.* No midget. I criticized her actions.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 15 07:58:57 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 15 07:54:01 2021.* only mention this yesterday because 18 year old Helena Duke from MA. recognized her mother, her uncle and aunt on TV as people who were among the US Capitol rioters. Faced with a similar dilemma, Helena did what any woke child would do and turned her mother, her uncle and aunt in. Well, what the fuck. Christmas is over and she'll worry about next Christmas when the time comes. Couldn't help thinking , what an Orwellian thing to do to one's own mother. There's got to be a special place in hell for a bitch like Helena. I didn't misread a thing, traitor.
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Re: Misuse of 1984 by conservatives.
Posted by AlM* on Fri Jan 15 08:00:50 2021, in response to Re: Misuse of 1984 by conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 14 23:42:53 2021.* Amusing that TD's view of this young woman is exactly the same as Stalin's reputed view of Pavlik Morozov (per Wikipedia).
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 15 08:00:50 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 15 07:54:58 2021.* Saying "there's got to be a special place in hell for a bitch like Helena" is more than mere "criticism", it's vilification. My post stands, traitor.
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Posted by Dyre Dan* on Fri Jan 15 08:18:27 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 15 06:17:53 2021.* Hated? Maybe. Or perhaps the daughter is just shocked, and can't square it with the mother (and other relatives) she knows. No mention if they were seen engaging in violence, or simply being present there. But I can't get behind the notion that we should give family members a pass to commit crimes, if we would turn in other people we knew to have done the same thing.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jan 15 08:28:26 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 15 08:18:27 2021.* I disagree with it being shock. If I found out my parents or my uncle and aunt were part of the Capitol mob, I wouldn’t have turned them in. Even though I absolutely would be shocked if they did that (especially my parents who detest Trump).
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Posted by Dyre Dan* on Fri Jan 15 08:36:35 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 15 05:25:40 2021.* Interesting story. So they were violent, and that was the night before the storming of the Capitol. But I'm thinking the story should have said the daughter attended the BLM protest last year, not "earlier this year", of which there were only four days prior to the day her mother et al. were depicted in the video.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 15 08:46:32 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 15 08:36:35 2021.* Agreed. Helena attended BLM in 2020.
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Posted by bingbong* on Fri Jan 15 08:51:47 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 15 08:46:32 2021.* So? Millions more did. There’s a special place in hell for those who berate, oppress and harm the least among us.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jan 15 09:18:31 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 15 07:58:57 2021.* Sure you did mini-man
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Re: On the Cult of Personality and its Consequences
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Fri Jan 15 09:22:23 2021, in response to Re: On the Cult of Personality and its Consequences, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 15 08:28:26 2021.* No, you wouldn't join a mob unless they were smashing windows and burning cars instead. Aka: You're people.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jan 15 10:17:50 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by bingbong on Fri Jan 15 08:51:47 2021.* Well that is not you. You are among the most among us.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jan 15 10:57:10 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 15 08:00:50 2021.* I always wonder about people like you who would turn on their parents. How could anyone have faith in your faithfulness
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jan 15 11:01:11 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 15 10:57:10 2021.* This woman’s mother has lost her daughter’s loyalty and it’s her own fucking fault.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jan 15 11:09:07 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 15 11:01:11 2021.* You facetless judgement on the subject does not surprise me?
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 15 11:10:25 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 15 10:57:10 2021.* Where did I say I would "turn on my parents", traitor?
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jan 15 11:11:15 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 15 11:10:25 2021.* You advocate turning on your parents, liw-life.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jan 15 11:16:36 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 15 11:09:07 2021.* Huh?
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jan 15 11:17:25 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 15 11:11:15 2021.* No, he’s advocating that this particular woman is justified in turning on her mother.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 15 11:21:22 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 15 11:11:15 2021.* No, I don't, and Helena's family had already turned on her.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Jan 15 11:26:04 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 15 11:01:11 2021.* On top of everything, wasn't all the young woman did was to shame her mother among her friends on Facebook? My understanding is that the mother had already been arrested for hitting a police officer.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jan 15 13:55:07 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 15 11:21:22 2021.* Had you pegged for a rat from day one.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 15 15:28:24 2021, in response to Re: 1984 In 2021, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 15 13:55:07 2021.* I had you pegged for a traitor since day one. Oh, and just to prove I'm not a "rat", if (God forbid) I ever see one if your family members being robbed or killed, I will cheerfully keep the description of the perp(s) to myself. After all, being a "rat" is baaaaaaddd...
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