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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 9 17:53:46 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 17:52:55 2020. OK, then you were completely confused about NZ's freedoms. I'll buy that. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 17:53:55 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 9 17:04:15 2020. No, I would wear a mask in close quarters, and stay away from people. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 17:54:31 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 9 17:18:21 2020. I don't watch sports anymore. Too political. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 9 17:54:35 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 16:44:37 2020. Should people die a horrible, premature death because the government failed to safeguard the welfare of its society? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 9 17:58:27 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 17:54:31 2020. 🙄🙄🙄 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:21:44 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 9 17:53:46 2020. I wasn't confused at all. They don't have our Constitution. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:22:26 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 9 17:58:27 2020. It's true! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:23:17 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 9 17:54:35 2020. Not the United States government's job. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 9 18:26:49 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:21:44 2020. But they have all our rights except the Second Amendment rights. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 9 18:27:16 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:23:17 2020. So states are doing it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:27:57 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:23:17 2020. And another thing, I'm glad my bretherin who are at Sturgis are living freely! The MSM is in hysterics over them living free! |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Aug 9 18:29:28 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:23:17 2020. Isn't that its primary job? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 9 18:30:11 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:27:57 2020. But they'd better stay away from their parents or grandparents for the next 2 weeks. Otherwise they're just guilty of criminally negligent homicide. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 9 19:56:03 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:27:57 2020. Sturgis: I see dead people. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 9 20:05:55 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:22:26 2020. It is true. The left even destroyed that.... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 9 20:30:05 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 9 19:56:03 2020. Yeah, if antifa pussies show up you could be right for once. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 9 20:31:46 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 9 20:05:55 2020. I stopped watching the Yankees after being a fan since 1958. All I have left is Curling. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 9 20:49:10 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:27:57 2020. There should be some nice Harleys for sale in a few weeks. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Aug 9 21:05:45 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 9 19:56:03 2020. What about if they hold signs calling for police to be defunded? I hear that makes you immune to covid. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 21:17:49 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 9 18:26:49 2020. So then a mandatory quarantine is wrong. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 21:18:48 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 9 18:30:11 2020. TNHIW |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 21:19:15 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 9 19:56:03 2020. No way. I see patriotic bikers! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 21:19:42 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 9 20:30:05 2020. Oh no, they won't go there. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 21:20:10 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 9 20:49:10 2020. Nah, they'll be fine. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 21:22:16 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by pragmatist on Sun Aug 9 18:29:28 2020. Nowadays, nobody's sure |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 21:22:35 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 9 16:52:12 2020. New Zealand in size and population is equivalent to the state of Oregon.Nobody is suggesting that Oregon got rid of Covid-19. However, here's how another country of 5 million inhabitants did and here's how the 10 million Swedes faired. new zealand: population - 5,002,100; cases 1,569; deaths 22 denmark: population 5,794,446; cases 14,442; deaths 617 sweden: population 10,106,111; cases 82323; deaths 5,763 |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 21:31:07 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 16:48:31 2020. Kiwis understood that a 7 week quarantine was necessary to continue living during a pandemic. They were willing to sacrifice 49 days at home, for which they were paid, for the welfare of themselves and their countrymen. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 21:53:30 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 18:23:17 2020. Not the United States government's job.You just flunked civics. The US government's job (or mission statement in modern parlance) is contained in the US Constitution. Here's the preamble. We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 9 22:03:07 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 9 18:26:49 2020. He has a point, but he probably doesn’t realize it. New Zealand has parliamentary supremacy. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 9 22:13:46 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 21:22:35 2020. New Zealand is more isolated than Oregon, Sweden, or Denmark. That certainly helps.The Denmark-Sweden comparison is highly appropriate, though. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 22:19:05 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 21:31:07 2020. Well, here we won't get paid. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 22:21:48 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 21:53:30 2020. Open to interpretation. BTW.... I never failed a class in my life... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 22:22:52 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 9 22:03:07 2020. Why wouldn't I realize it? I stated it, didn't I? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 22:30:32 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 9 22:13:46 2020. New Zealand is more isolated...Isolation means controlling the border to people entering the country in this context. There's no evidence that Covid is airborne for any distances that require thousands of miles of open ocean to dissipate. Island countries have an advantage in closing their borders. The EU did did re-establish all the border crossings that had been abolished when free travel for EU citizens between EU countries was established. This was particularly easy for Denmark because it's one land boundary was with Germany. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 9 22:33:10 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 22:30:32 2020. Being miles away from any other civilization makes controlling the border much easier. I don’t mean it’s not possible for other countries to shut their borders, but that geographic isolation also decreases the rate of people who need to enter and leave on a regular basis and so minimizes the economic impact of shutting down such interchange. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 10 00:51:30 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 22:21:48 2020. i did. one: 9th grade spanish. never did the homework. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 10 02:10:12 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 9 22:21:48 2020. You sound self-conscious. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 10 04:19:27 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 10 02:10:12 2020. How do you figure? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Aug 10 15:28:57 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 9 16:27:17 2020. I mean they are trucking along. You can go to Disney there or a mall and there isn't a split in the types of people who would go versus not go. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Aug 10 15:29:48 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19?, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 9 16:22:02 2020. North Korea only has one confirmed case too. |
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New Zealand reinstates lockdowns after first case in 102 days (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 11 12:17:24 2020, in response to How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 10:14:40 2020. Commie News Network
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 11 13:35:29 2020, in response to New Zealand reinstates lockdowns after first case in 102 days (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 11 12:17:24 2020. I posted this two hours ago. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 11 13:39:41 2020, in response to Re: New Zealand reinstates lockdowns after first case in 102 days (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 11 13:35:29 2020. The correct internet terminology is "BUMP" |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 11 13:41:29 2020, in response to Re: New Zealand reinstates lockdowns after first case in 102 days (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 11 13:39:41 2020. Is he upset? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 11 13:47:02 2020, in response to Re: New Zealand reinstates lockdowns after first case in 102 days (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 11 13:41:29 2020. Feeling ignored, perhaps. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Aug 11 16:43:05 2020, in response to Re: New Zealand reinstates lockdowns after first case in 102 days (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 11 13:35:29 2020. OK, we'll give you a participation trophy |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 11 17:03:54 2020, in response to Re: New Zealand reinstates lockdowns after first case in 102 days (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Aug 11 16:43:05 2020. I brought this up so that some forum members don't assume that I report only good news.New Zealand illustrates the response to minimize Covid's spread. Their response to an isolated case illustrates what's required for that approach. It's possible to get down to 0 cases, without testing, effective treatment, or an effective vaccine. New Zealand and a few other countries have illustrated this. The problem is that the population is still susceptible to Covid should it be re-introduced. Handling that re-introduction has to be part of the plan. It will be interesting to see whether New Zealand's approach will limit Covid to a small cluster. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 11 17:09:45 2020, in response to Re: New Zealand reinstates lockdowns after first case in 102 days (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 11 17:03:54 2020. Their response to an isolated case illustrates what's required for that approach.It also makes clear that their approach doesn't work in a larger country. In the US, even with NZ style measures, there would always be some cases going on that would require a temporary shutdown. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 11 17:32:09 2020, in response to Re: New Zealand reinstates lockdowns after first case in 102 days (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by AlM on Tue Aug 11 17:09:45 2020. It also makes clear that their approach doesn't work in a larger country.Japan, Singapore, and South Korea are bigger countries that got down to 0 cases. They failed at the stage that now confronts New Zealand. It was entirely possible to organize a similar response in the US. It wasn't considered because of that old US "can't do" attitude. there would always be some cases going on that would require a temporary shutdown. The reason NZ got to 0 cases was they introduced a complete shutdown to stop any community spread. That shutdown was of indeterminate length, until there were 0 cases (plus 2 weeks). Any case that's discovered after re-opening means revert to a complete shutdown mode. It may be for a shorter interval because contact tracing is practical. The initial total shutdown is for 3 days at the disease's location. There's a partial shutdown over a larger area. They need to see whether they have contained the disease. The need for repeated shutdowns upon discovering disease pockets isn't a shortcoming. It's the way the disease is eradicated. The US approach has been to limit Covid's spread so that it does not overwhelm the medical system. The US has been willing to sacrifice some people by not trying for 0 cases. |
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Auckland thrown into chaos by new lockdown over four cases (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 12 01:55:21 2020, in response to How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 10:14:40 2020. Daily Mail Australia
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