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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 13 09:36:36 2020 ChinaUScases |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 13 10:41:43 2020, in response to Corona virus updates, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 13 09:36:36 2020. Didn't hear about the San Diego lab that is testing a vaccine? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 13 11:31:15 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 13 10:41:43 2020. Let's hope the vaccine works! |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 13 11:48:47 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 13 10:41:43 2020. That's good, but it won't provide results quickly. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Feb 13 15:04:40 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 13 11:48:47 2020. Are you wearing a cup yet? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Feb 13 15:05:14 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 13 11:31:15 2020. I'd rather have a cure than something else wal-mart wants to prick me with. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 13 15:09:37 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Feb 13 15:05:14 2020. Um, the "cure" for a virus is a vaccine.How do you think polio, measles, chicken pox, etc. have been mostly "cured?" |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 13 15:31:10 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 13 15:09:37 2020. There are some weird people who think vaccines are technically not cures. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 13 15:32:47 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 13 10:41:43 2020. I heard about the use of anti-viral drugs for AIDS mixed with a flu treatment seems to provide at least temporary results. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Feb 13 15:36:01 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 13 15:31:10 2020. Then there's JayzeeBMT who thinks I should be worried about a flu instead, or AIM who goes on about facemasks.Most of these little dicks don't know what's going on in China. And the little pricks have never seen the medicine aisle at the wal-mart obviously. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 13 15:42:50 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 13 15:31:10 2020. I suppose that's true. A cure is when you get the disease and the medical folks go abracadabra, and you're all better. Like antibiotics for a bacterial disease.Personally, I prefer not getting the disease in the first place, as opposed to getting it and being cured. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 13 15:43:51 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 13 15:32:47 2020. Yes, but the anti-viral drug is very expensive. Not a way to treat hundreds of thousands of people. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 13 15:45:51 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Feb 13 15:36:01 2020. Yes, I go on about face masks, because if you are concerned about catching COVID-19, a face mask is good prevention. The virus is spread in little drops of liquid, and what better way of not inhaling a little drop of liquid from someone else than using a face mask?And yet you won't answer that simple question of whether you're using one or not. Why? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 13 21:45:03 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 13 10:41:43 2020. Boring new name, calling it the Kung Flu was way cooler, oh well. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 13 21:52:04 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 13 15:43:51 2020. Part of the reason it's expensive is because it's hard to synthesize and thus rare.This is one of those edge cases where socialized medicine would show a flaw: Under socialized medicine, the well connected will get access first, with little to no chance for a commoner to get it. In a capitalist system, those who can afford it will get access first. While at first glance this means "It's only for the rich how is this better?!", consider crowdfunding. A commoner who makes a good case can get millions of people to contribute towards their getting the rare life-saving medicine. There's no single politician or bureaucrat denying your application for the medicine; if you convince enough people to give you enough green, you can be saved. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 14 04:59:20 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 13 21:52:04 2020. The difference isn't that big. A rich person who gets sick mostly likely just has to go to their doctor. A poor person who gets sick will somehow have to raise the money (while they're sick), then they have to find a doctor who can provide the treatment. All this takes time and effort, and can easily reach the point where the treatment will make no difference, one way or the other. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 14 05:05:49 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 13 15:42:50 2020. IVMAWTP |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 14 08:32:32 2020, in response to Corona virus updates, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 13 09:36:36 2020. I seem to recall a while back some Radical group called for reducing the world population by some Multi-billion amount.Does any one recall from who this policy was from? And is this the start, in the the most populate country? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 14 08:43:56 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 13 21:52:04 2020. Crowdfunding only works for a tiny number of people.If a course of medicine costs $1,000 to $10,000 and hundreds of thousands of people need it, the middle class will get it and the poor won't. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 14 08:44:44 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 14 08:32:32 2020. No. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 14 12:28:04 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 14 08:44:44 2020. Don't you mean that it is ONLY YOU that don't remember anything about said group and their policy position. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 14 12:39:52 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 14 08:44:44 2020. Here we go, I found thisThe Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (VHEMT[A]) is an environmental movement that calls for all people to abstain from reproduction to cause the gradual voluntary extinction of humankind. VHEMT supports human extinction primarily because, in the group's view, it would prevent environmental degradation. The group states that a decrease in the human population would prevent a significant amount of human-caused suffering. The extinctions of non-human species and the scarcity of resources required by humans are frequently cited by the group as evidence of the harm caused by human overpopulation. VHEMT was founded in 1991 by Les U. Knight, an American activist who became involved in the environmental movement in the 1970s and thereafter concluded that human extinction was the best solution to the problems facing the Earth's biosphere and humanity. Knight publishes the group's newsletter and serves as its spokesman. Although the group is promoted by a website and represented at some environmental events, it relies heavily on coverage from outside media to spread its message. Many commentators view its platform as unacceptably extreme, though other writers have applauded VHEMT's perspective. In response to VHEMT, some journalists and academics have argued that humans can develop sustainable lifestyles or can reduce their population to sustainable levels. Others maintain that, whatever the merits of the idea, the human reproductive drive will prevent humankind from ever voluntarily seeking extinction |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Feb 14 13:34:45 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 14 12:39:52 2020. More dopey white people bullshit. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 14 13:44:12 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 14 12:39:52 2020. Wishing eight billion human beings dead, shows Knight to be a catastrophically broken person. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 14 14:08:03 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 14 13:44:12 2020. More "wisdom" from the |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 14 15:19:22 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 14 12:39:52 2020. Nothing that suggests the coronavirus is linked to this nut job's ideas. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Feb 14 15:48:59 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 14 15:19:22 2020. Did you wear your cup today? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Feb 14 17:54:44 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 14 08:43:56 2020. I agree. But in a socialist system, the well connected along with an arbitrarily random selection of middle class will get it and the poor still won't. Getting treatment shouldn't be like winning the lottery, the well prepared (people who were frugal, drove crappy cars, lived with roommates) and saved up for emergencies should certainly be able to cash in on that preparedness to save their own life. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 14 18:37:17 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Feb 14 17:54:44 2020. This assumes scarcity of resources. The advantage of capitalism is that it’s the fairest way to allocate scarce resources. I think a lot of these resources are artificially scarce. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 14 19:14:20 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Feb 14 17:54:44 2020. I don't recommend socialist systems.But that doesn't make pure capitalist systems as good as you make them sound. I prefer capitalist systems with a safety net. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Feb 14 20:29:47 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 14 19:14:20 2020. I prefer capitalist systems with a safety net.So do I, which is pretty much what we have. People do have to be mindful about how much they pull the lever to one side or the other. A criticism I have about Trump is he is removing regulations at a record pace, and we won't know what kind of effect this will have for a few years. I also have criticism for self-avowed socialists who want to make sweeping reforms of whole business sectors or nationalize currently private systems outright. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 14 20:37:42 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Feb 14 20:29:47 2020. we won't know what kind of effect this will have for a few yearsAh, your picky use of the word "know" again. :) I feel that I know what the effect of Trump deregulation will be. But I agree with you about the socialists. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 15 16:55:31 2020, in response to Corona virus updates, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 13 09:36:36 2020. When nobody tells you that your patient might have coronavirus, but you don PPE and BBP your truck afterwards, anyway. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 15 19:40:28 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 15 16:55:31 2020. Why don't you post this on Ambulance talk? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 15 20:00:03 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 15 19:40:28 2020. Why don't you go enjoy a bleach cocktail? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Feb 15 22:49:33 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 15 20:00:03 2020. Why don't you two get a room and stop wasting bandwith? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 15 23:00:56 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Feb 15 22:49:33 2020. What bandwidth? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 16 05:55:19 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 15 23:00:56 2020. All those expensive 1s and 0s. :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 16 06:35:14 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Feb 14 20:29:47 2020. I also have criticism for self-avowed socialists who want to make sweeping reforms of whole business sectors or nationalize currently private systems outright.They're getting traction because moderates/centrists aren't making progress on key issues, such as income inequality and the environment. Those areas are either staying still or getting worse over time. If the moderates/centrists won't do squat, people are going to look to the extremists for a different way of getting it done. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 16 14:10:22 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 16 06:35:14 2020. IMO, Bernie Sanders is NOT an extremist. He’s mainstream left by Western European standards. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Feb 16 15:44:30 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 15 19:40:28 2020. Because he's still scared of the flu.I got the flu last month. Felt bad for a day. Have to hear from little wanged jayzeebmt trolling my threads going on about the flu instead like we all have a weakened immune system like he must. #asshoel |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Feb 16 15:44:48 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 16 05:55:19 2020. got your jockstrap? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Feb 16 16:24:26 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Feb 16 15:44:30 2020. The ordinary flu killed 12,000 people last year in the US, and that's a normal figure for this type of flu.The coronavirus hasn't killed even a significant fraction of that number, globally. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 16 16:28:23 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Feb 16 16:24:26 2020. The coronavirus hasn't killed even a significant fraction of that number, globally.Yet. China being China, we don't know how deadly the coronavirus is. It's just impossible to judge the threat accurately yet. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 16 16:32:09 2020, in response to Re: Corona virus updates, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 16 16:28:23 2020. Flu figures are for a year, Corona figules are for just two or 3 weeks |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Feb 17 02:24:25 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 16 14:10:22 2020. This isn't Western Europe. The US is a center-right country, what politics is like beyond our shores isn't relevant. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 17 02:34:13 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Feb 17 02:24:25 2020. It’s only center right because of the rural skew of our representation.Other countries are relevant because we can borrow their good ideas. Our founding fathers copied Ancient Rome. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Feb 17 02:43:02 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 16 06:35:14 2020. They're getting traction because moderates/centrists aren't making progress on key issues, such as income inequality and the environment. Those areas are either staying still or getting worse over time. If the moderates/centrists won't do squat, people are going to look to the extremists for a different way of getting it done.Moderates/centrists correctly determined that those things aren't actually key issues that need sweeping reform. Income inequality is meaningless in two regards: 1 - the increased minimum wage (yay lefist policies!) combined with the worker supply constraint caused by reduced immigration (yay right-wing policies!) have combined their powers to result in the lowest wage earners getting substantially more benefit from the current economy than the higher ones. The gap is slowly narrowing without direct intervention. No politician is talking about this because both sides' policies are combining to make it happen. 2 - The top 1% pay 39% of the taxes while only receiving 20% of the income [CNBC], best not to piss them off. The only thing that needed to be done w/r/t the environment is to not roll back existing regulations, and make minor tweaks to improve things over time... Trump has decided to fail at this. Climate alarmists like Greta Thumberg are demanding we shut off all carbon emissions right now, which will kill millions of people, hand the economy over to China, India, and Russia (who sign climate accords fully intending to disregard them), and only reduce global climate emissions by 8%. So regarding climate, progressives are being ignored because they're idiots. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 17 02:45:02 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 17 02:34:13 2020. Our founding fathers copied Ancient Rome.we copied a lot of their dietary advice too. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Feb 17 03:42:14 2020, in response to Re: COVID-19 updates, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 17 02:34:13 2020. It is good to copy good ideas. A great line from a Prime Minister of Singapore was "there's no problem [Singapore] is facing that another country hasn't already faced. Find their solution and copy it."I'm just cynical and expect that we'll implement those ideas terribly, and we'll probably be better off 'evolving' something rather than transplanting something from an incompatible donor. For example I like the types of nationalized health care found in Japan and Singapore. However I fear if we try to implement it, we're more likely to get USSR and Venezuela quality rather than Asian quality. Look at what happens when we try to copy European style high speed rail. Billions upon billions spent and the closest things we currently have are a slight evolution of the PRR [success], Euro-style trainsets transplanted to the Pacific Northwest (not living up to their potential at all), and a private-sector derived option built to fit the realities of US regulatory structure [Brightline, success]. |
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