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NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 14:59:19 2019 Flagrant violation of federal law.MSN
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Posted by Easy on Sat Sep 28 15:06:12 2019, in response to NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 14:59:19 2019. So it's not what you say, but what you're thinking when you say it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 15:08:47 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Easy on Sat Sep 28 15:06:12 2019. “Thoughtcrime does not entail death; thoughtcrime is death.” — Winston Smith in 1984That is what happens when you vote commies into office. |
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Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 28 16:03:24 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 15:08:47 2019. Yep! Also, telling ab illegal alien to go back to your country isn't hate. Ot's merely telling him to stop being in violation of the law and to rectify the situation. Like if a store owner tells someone stealing a candy bar to put it back. |
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Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 16:59:41 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 28 16:03:24 2019. The lefties on here are ignoring this thread. Must be scared to say anything just in case De Blasio's thought police come down on them. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 28 19:22:05 2019, in response to NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 14:59:19 2019. #almhour #resist #thesquadThere will be threadsilence on the part if AlM Fred G JZBMT Cortelyounext Joe V Spider-Pig Dand124 RIPTA Nilet Tony G Jayman SUBWAYMAN Italian WMATARRRGH BIngbong express rider Displacedangelino |
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Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Sep 28 20:39:07 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Easy on Sat Sep 28 15:06:12 2019. The left wants to take all freedoms away. Truly, someone should have the right to be an asshole, and be racist or a bigot. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Sep 28 20:39:49 2019, in response to NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 14:59:19 2019. This 8s why Trump won. |
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Posted by rkba on Sat Sep 28 20:53:09 2019, in response to NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 14:59:19 2019. ICE ICE BABY! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Sep 28 20:56:17 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by rkba on Sat Sep 28 20:53:09 2019. ARREST YOU FIRST |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 28 22:08:30 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Sep 28 20:39:07 2019. Yep. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Sep 28 23:36:04 2019, in response to NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 14:59:19 2019. Holy cow |
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Posted by TRaIN DUDE on Sun Sep 29 09:43:25 2019, in response to NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 14:59:19 2019. Thought crimes are next |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 10:45:48 2019, in response to NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 14:59:19 2019. Criminalizing this kind of hate speech won't stop bigots and xenophobes from doing it.I understand what the city is trying to do, but it's probably gonna be unenforceable in most cases. |
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Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 29 11:02:54 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 10:45:48 2019. Um.. do you realize that criminalizing speech is totally against the Constitution? Like someone else says, you have the right to be an asshole and a bigot |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 11:18:07 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 29 11:02:54 2019. IAWTP! The fact that hate speech here is legal and protected is what makes America greater than the other Western democracies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 11:18:07 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 29 11:02:54 2019. IAWTP! The fact that hate speech here is legal and protected is what makes America greater than the other Western democracies. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 11:25:45 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 29 11:02:54 2019. Speech that incites or causes harm is not Constitutionally protected. |
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Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 29 11:26:48 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 10:45:48 2019. It's absurd on multiple levels.1. The phrase is accurate, and need not be used in a bigoted or xenophobic manner. They are present in the United States in a manner that is contrary to its laws. Illegal does not need to mean criminal. Someone who bicycles the wrong way on a one way street is engaging in illegal activity even though not criminal. 2. It's of course extremely difficult to determine when something is done in a hateful manner, which is the problem with all hate crime laws. 3. Is it actually any more friendly to call someone the presumably still permitted "undocumented non-resident?" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 11:28:17 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 11:25:45 2019. FALSE! |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Sep 29 11:36:13 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 10:45:48 2019. You entered the country illegally.You took a job which your employer had no right to hire you ....taking that job away who entered the U.S. legally or a U S. Citizen You committed a violation of Federal Law. Nothing bigotry about that. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 29 11:37:39 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 11:28:17 2019. Huh?Fire in a crowded theater is the standard exception. I suppose you are talking about indirect harm, like every time Trump opens his mouth. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 29 11:39:13 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 29 11:26:48 2019. I think that the objection is that actions are illegal, not people. Hence all of the "no person is illegal" signs. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 29 11:39:17 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Sep 29 11:36:13 2019. You entered the country illegally.Many undocumented non-residents did not break the law when they entered the country. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 29 11:41:54 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 29 11:39:13 2019. OK. But I would not hesitate to call someone riding a bike on a sidewalk an "illegal bicyclist" or someone who drove with an expired license an "illegal driver."It may be technically an incorrect use of the English language but that doesn't presumptively make it hate speech. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 11:44:55 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 29 11:37:39 2019. He obviously wasn’t talking about that. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 29 11:55:07 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 11:44:55 2019. Still not sure what you are calling false. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 12:07:11 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 11:28:17 2019. Not false.Threatening the President or joking about carrying a bomb at a TSA airport checkpoint, are two excellent examples of prohibited speech. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 12:19:08 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 29 11:55:07 2019. Speech that incites or causes harm is not Constitutionally protected. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 12:20:56 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 12:07:11 2019. But not calling someone an illegal alien or threatening to call ICE. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 12:36:09 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 12:20:56 2019. I would qualify that by saying it depends on the context in which such utterances are made, e.g., to coerce others into accepting low or no wages or refraining from reporting a malicious or negligent landlord. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Sep 29 12:46:37 2019, in response to NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 14:59:19 2019. I'm trying to understand the nature of what we're talking about. Is it a law, properly understood (e.g. an act of the legislature?) The memo in question reads that it is issuing "new legal enforcement guidance that defines discrimination." Is that law? Why are we working off a separate document rather than the actual law? Has the law changed, or has it been clarified? Does anyone have the authority to clarify existing law besides the courts? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Sep 29 12:49:24 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 10:45:48 2019. Considering your kinsfolk are allowed to yell that they hate Jews in the public streets, I want to see the double-standard here.
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Sep 29 12:53:10 2019, in response to NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 28 14:59:19 2019. MTA officials demanded an Orthodox Jewish transit worker prove he observes Rosh Hashanah for “a religious reason” in order to get the holiday off, union officials said Friday.Benjamin Schaeffer, a 22-year MTA transit worker, was initially denied permission to take off for the Jewish new year, according to Transport Workers Union Local 100. A supervisor then granted Schaeffer the holiday, but told TWU Local 100 veep Eric Loegel that Schaffer would need to submit documentation within 5 days to prove he’d actually observed the holiday or he’d be marked as “AWOL.” “This smacks of anti-Semitism, and is definitely anti-worker,” TWU Local 100 said in a statement. “What kind of railroad is MTA Chairman Pat Foye running? Schaeffer followed MTA regulations by asking for the day off three weeks in advance, and the MTA had granted Schaeffer the holiday every year prior without issue, union reps said. *** ******** Hang on. THIS IS THE CITY THAT ALLOWED THE MALAYSIAN PM TO GIVE A HATE SPEECH JUST DAYS PRIOR, RIGHT? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 12:57:25 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Sep 29 12:49:24 2019. My "kinsfolk"? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 13:17:25 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 12:36:09 2019. LOL! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 13:21:39 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 13:17:25 2019. TENANT: I haven't had heat in six weeks. I'm calling the city.LANDLORD: Listen, you fucking illegal alien, shut the fuck up and be glad I allow you to live here. Otherwise, I'll call ICE, and you'll wish you were back here freezing. TENANT: I apologize for my attitude, sir. I'll just buy extra blankets and wear my coat inside. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 29 14:21:59 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 12:19:08 2019. But some of such speech is not protected. What are you thinking of that is protected, if not something as indirect as Trump speech? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 14:22:57 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 13:21:39 2019. What is your point? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 29 14:22:58 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 13:21:39 2019. What is your point? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 29 14:23:29 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 13:21:39 2019. But that is already extortion. Why call it "hate speech?" |
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Posted by easy on Sun Sep 29 15:29:11 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 13:21:39 2019. "I'm calling the city.""I'm calling ICE" Stalemate! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Sep 29 15:31:35 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by easy on Sun Sep 29 15:29:11 2019. hey easy !are you still a member of the transit colition ?? i cant long in there anymore i think i was banned and for what i dont know !! haven bee there in years and a long time easy !! oh well i dont care anyway bart is some kind of asshole to me !! |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 29 15:40:46 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Sep 29 15:31:35 2019. I'm a member. I remember asking Bart about you years ago and can confirm that at the time he did not think highly of you. I don't recall why for sure but I think that it had to do with photos. Keep in mind that it's not a rail fan site, but an advocacy site. Bart isn't really even a fan of the message board. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 15:50:00 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by easy on Sun Sep 29 15:29:11 2019. Not really.Tenant calls city = landlord might be fin d Landlord calls ICE = tenant is jailed and deported. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 29 15:57:40 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 15:50:00 2019. In reality the landlord likely wouldn't get abusive and could make exactly the same insinuation without using illegal language, so what's the point? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 16:03:08 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 29 15:57:40 2019. You don't know NYC landlords. The hypothetical exchange I posted is...tame...for a NYC landlord. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 29 16:07:05 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 16:03:08 2019. That's not the point.TENANT: I haven't had heat in six weeks. I'm calling the city. LANDLORD: Listen, you fucking wetter, shut the fuck up and be glad I allow you to live here. Otherwise, I'll call The federal government, and you'll wish you were back here freezing. TENANT: I apologize for my attitude, sir. I'll just buy extra blankets and wear my coat inside. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Sep 29 16:09:24 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Sep 29 12:46:37 2019. Yeah, the press and gangs of angry Greta looking children rioting in Portland. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 29 16:17:35 2019, in response to Re: NYC bans calling someone “illegal alien” or to say you’ll call ICE on them, if motivated by hate, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 29 16:07:05 2019. "The federal government" is vague and general. "ICE" is specific in both its identity and the likely consequences for the tenant."Wetter" is synonymous with "illegal alien" |
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