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Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a racist scam

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Aug 23 14:22:42 2019, in response to Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a racist scam, posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 23 05:23:43 2019.

Butbwhy shouldn't their voices count in Presidential elections?

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Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a racist scam

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 23 14:25:46 2019, in response to Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a racist scam, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Aug 23 14:22:42 2019.

I already answered that.

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Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a racist scam

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 23 14:29:58 2019, in response to Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a racist scam, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Aug 23 14:22:42 2019.

They should count.

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Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a racist scam

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Aug 23 14:44:12 2019, in response to Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a racist scam, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Aug 22 22:47:53 2019.

OK, I wasn't sure if it did or not. But Country Club is a conservative area, isn't it? They probably didn't vote for her there, and aren't what was meant by "coastal elites".

Pappas won two precincts in Country Club, one in Morris Park, one in Throggs Neck (but not the one with Trump's golf course!), and both precincts in Malba in Queens.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Dave on Fri Aug 23 15:16:41 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 23 10:38:55 2019.

IAWTP.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 23 15:22:16 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by kew gardens teleport on Fri Aug 23 10:34:01 2019.

She's only "disproportionately self-important" because certain segments of the media give her special attention. Strangely, right wing media seems to be the ones giving her the most attention.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 23 15:27:03 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 23 15:22:16 2019.

The same is true of the rest of the squad, but their antisemitism is alarming and newsworthy.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 23 15:38:12 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 23 15:27:03 2019.

As far as the antisemitism is concerned, I agree.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 23 16:53:26 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 23 10:38:55 2019.

We agree on something!

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 23 16:54:30 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 23 15:22:16 2019.

Sounds like what the rest of the media does with Trump!

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 23 17:15:18 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 23 16:54:30 2019.

The difference is that Donald Trump is the one and only President of the United States, while AOC is a junior member of a body of a couple of hundred members.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 23 20:44:10 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 23 17:15:18 2019.

Sure, but she's noisier than most.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 23 21:26:48 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 23 20:44:10 2019.

Only because certain reporters like to report on everything she says and does. Like those on the NY Post, for example.

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Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a raciast scam

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Aug 23 21:29:47 2019, in response to Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a raciast scam, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Aug 23 13:59:24 2019.

WHAT ?
let the people decide

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 24 07:44:34 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 23 21:26:48 2019.

Lol. Like the rest of the media with trump

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 09:58:38 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 24 07:44:34 2019.

SMH

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Aug 24 10:05:09 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 09:58:38 2019.

You must like that rattling sound

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 16:23:50 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 23 10:30:27 2019.

Hopefully Scherie Murray (yes that official website is borderline terrible, likely designed for phones and nothing else). There are other Republicans vying for the spot but as they are white males, they really shouldn't bother.

If they primary AOC and someone else gets in, there's no chance of the seat flipping red. Right now I'd say there's a small chance.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 16:30:25 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 16:23:50 2019.

As if I want the seat to flip red. I'd rather have AOC.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 16:43:15 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 16:30:25 2019.

Lol you'd probably vote for Hitler himself if he ran with a (D) next to his name...

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 18:52:13 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 16:43:15 2019.

We've been over this. It's you people who put party before country. It certainly explains your thrall for that orangeutan.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 19:39:48 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 18:52:13 2019.

"Us People"... you mean moderates? In the midterm election I voted equal amounts R and D with a little L sprinkled in.

If you vote downballot anything you are putting party before country, period.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 19:59:32 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 19:39:48 2019.

You are hardly a moderate.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 20:44:54 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 19:59:32 2019.

Moderate is a matter of policy. It so happens that I find less of Trump's policies distasteful than I do the current democrat contenders' policies, and I find a lot of the TDS inspired rhetoric to be pointless distraction.

According to Facebook's automatic profiling of me for ad targeting, I'm "US Politics: Very Liberal" (lol). According to NY Times' useless profiler, I'm a democrat voter.

But here are my stances on a variety of topics, you can't really put me in either the Conservative or Liberal camp:
1. pro-universal healthcare (done properly - stop making it more expensive plz)
2. pro-1st, 2nd and 4th amendments to the fullest extent
3. anti-taxes and anti-spending on the federal level (shift as much to the states as possible)
4. pro-life with exceptions
5. pro-border security (as long as it's not a damn wall) - this was a Democrat position as well until TDS
6. pro-immigration reform (make it easier for people to get here legally) - this is anti-corporatist, neither side wants to give up their indentured servitude visas for something better, and an easier migration path for all who apply would make them pointless
7. pro-legalization of drugs (prohibition is an expensive boondoggle that props up criminal enterprise)
8. anti-war and foreign intervention (expensive, let's give someone else a turn at being world police)
9. anti-death penalty with exceptions (maybe if someone's proven to have done it beyond all doubt, not just reasonable)
10. pro-Israel
11. pro-free speech (this is beyond 1st Amendment as I believe it should apply to private companies that have become online versions of the public square - as it stands now oil companies could pool their money, hostile takeover something like twitter or facebook, and ban any discussion of climate change because it's bad for business)
12. pro-federal EPA (something that puts me at odds with big-L Libertarians)
13. pro-gay marriage, against all laws banning homosexual activity (many are still on the books)
14. pro-minimum wage per state, anti-federal minimum wage. NYC's should probably be higher than $15 but forcing $15/hr on Puerto Rico is going to wreck their economy even more. The $7.25/hr one wrecked American Samoa's economy. One size does not fit all here.
15. pro-student loan repayment assistance (immediately reduce interest to 0, or make it possible to discharge the debt via bankruptcy).
16. anti-"woke" politics. Sorry, but I will use gendered language, there are only two sexes, reparations shouldn't happen, and illegally crossing the US border should be punished with deportaion.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 21:19:49 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 20:44:54 2019.

Your previous posts are not completely representative of the political views here, which other than a couple of things, Id classify as liberal.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Aug 24 21:22:30 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 23 10:38:55 2019.

IAAWTP (AOC annoying part), as for her getting primaried,, who knows?

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 21:25:12 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Aug 24 21:22:30 2019.

That, I can dig!

Unless, of course, it's by someone more radical than her (shudder).

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 21:37:58 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 21:19:49 2019.

I'm a little curious which ones, though I can tell you which views I tend to fluctuate on:
15. Student loan forgiveness(-ish) is a brand new one for me, I heard a solid argument for it recently.
5. For a short while I was pro-wall/fence. I'm back to anti-wall.
4. Pro-life with exceptions
My exception list is higher than what conservatives have as their exception list, so I will sometimes say I'm begrudgingly pro-choice as I don't trust the government to get it right. I also recognize that my pro-life stance stems from a belief that fetuses are literally babies (especially after 3 months) which is a faith-based belief and thus cannot be forced upon others without a science-based fact behind it.
13. While I'm not anti-gay, a lot of my stances on things can be classified anti-trans (i.e. in favor of using sex assigned at birth for matters of incarceration, sports, and bathroom use).

I'm not sure what I may have said on other topics to give a different impression, I've generally held those views at least the last 5 years.

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Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a raciast scam

Posted by Mitch45 on Sat Aug 24 21:44:26 2019, in response to Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a raciast scam, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 22 17:34:28 2019.

My problem is with this slip of a girl who was serving coffee not long ago now calling a long-standing election law in this country a "scam".

That is what my problem is.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 24 21:46:03 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 21:37:58 2019.

For a short while I was pro-wall/fence. I'm back to anti-wall

And why, exactly?

My exception list is higher than what conservatives have as their exception list

Better shorten it, if you care about society not collapsing.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 24 21:50:33 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 20:44:54 2019.

pro-universal healthcare (done properly)

Under government, no such thing. In the private sector, it was universal. Also, "universal" and "free" are not synonyms, so please don't play that game.

pro-federal EPA

Why?!? There is absolutely no purpose for the federal government to have their nose in such a thing, never mind the fact that government initiatives that are "environmental" are invariably directed towards the purpose of driving the private sector into the public sector, no exceptions. Better study into that a bit deeper.

pro-gay marriage

Then stop lying about being pro-First Amendment.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 21:52:41 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 24 21:46:03 2019.

Why am I anti-wall?
1. It's expensive
2. It does nothing about people overstaying visas, which is a bigger problem
3. If we legalize drugs a good chunk of the reason for having a wall goes away
4. Because as I've said a million times, any wall that can keep people out, can keep us in. Someday the communists might wrest control of the US government and being able to GTFO easily will be important, especially if we're stupid enough to let them take the guns first.

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Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a racist scam

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 24 21:52:50 2019, in response to Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a raciast scam, posted by Mitch45 on Sat Aug 24 21:44:26 2019.

Who cares who says it, since it's wrong no matter who does?

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 24 21:56:43 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 21:52:41 2019.

Some expenses are necessary to defray the bigger expense of invasion of illegals.

People overstaying visas is not a "bigger problem", especially if you look at what's been happening at the border (MS-13 doesn't overstay visas any more than the SOTB cartels). Never mind that being a false dilemma.

Legalizing drugs has not helped anything. Debauchery and addiction goes up with legalization of hard drugs; better look at the stats.

So how many Americans are escaping to Mexico illegally? And how would an armed US populace have to worry about being kept in, and by whom??

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 21:59:48 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 24 21:50:33 2019.

I don't expect universal healthcare to be free. I expect it to be a line item on the paystub, probably replacing the "Medicare" line, likely higher than the medicare line but hopefully lower than the medicare + current private insurance line (unlikely in my case).

And it certainly was not universal, see: people with preexisting conditions who had their insurance lapse.

Pro-federal EPA
Why? Because without it Minnesota can allow Minneapolis to dump all their trash in the Mississippi River and it becomes the problem of every state downstream.

pro-gay marriage:
They're not forcing the Catholic church to recognize or perform same-sex marriage. We do not live in a caliphate, religious prohibitions should automatically translate to legal prohibitions.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Aug 24 22:12:11 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 21:52:41 2019.

I would also add that using the money to hire more investigative staff, developing better technology, and having more immigration Judges, all of which can be done with the money allocated to the wall can help us catch and deport illegals faster.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 24 22:14:23 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Aug 24 22:12:11 2019.

Invest the money in eveify and require all companies to use it maybe.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 24 22:20:44 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 21:59:48 2019.

I don't expect universal healthcare to be free. I expect it to be a line item on the paystub, probably replacing the "Medicare" line

Since what you're proposing here is Crazy Bernie's "Medicare for all", then there's no reason to, is there.

And I put "free" in scare quotes because that's exactly what I envisioned anyhow.

Because without it Minnesota can allow Minneapolis to dump all their trash in the Mississippi River and it becomes the problem of every state downstream

Fabricated scenario. Also argumentum ad populum (appeal to emotion fallacy).

They're not forcing the Catholic church to recognize or perform same-sex marriage

Really? Better look a little closer. Never mind the "bake the cake" slippery slope attacks on the lay members.

We do not live in a caliphate

Red herring attack on the Free Exercise Clause.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 24 22:21:56 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Aug 24 22:12:11 2019.

Nice armchair quarterbacking. Never mind acknowledging (at least) that we're being invaded.

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Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a raciast scam

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 22:27:40 2019, in response to Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a raciast scam, posted by Mitch45 on Sat Aug 24 21:44:26 2019.

Shes a US Representative now and is fully qualified to criticize long-standing laws.

And I will say that common folk are just as qualified as anyone else to criticize our laws so long as they understand what they criticize.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Aug 24 22:33:55 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 24 22:21:56 2019.

Anything more than zero illegals is too many. I want to see us be able to catch and deport as many as possible as fast as possible, and the wall does not solve the problem as illegals will just find another way in.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 22:36:10 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Aug 24 22:33:55 2019.

IAWTP

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 22:55:59 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 21:37:58 2019.

3 and 4 I would consider conservative.

I am pro-abortion (pro-choice is euphemism and I am against euphemism) because I don't consider embryos to be babies and believing such I consider to be faith-based on not evidence-based.

I agree with you about most of your points. I disagree with you about federal spending. I disagree with state minimum wages, but I would favor a regional minimum wage, but established by Congress.

I am opposed to student loan forgiveness but can be convinced otherwise. I would personally benefit from it (unless it were means-tested), but I don't struggle with it, so it would be a windfall for me.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 23:20:47 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 22:55:59 2019.

The argument presented to me about student loan forgiveness is that, as each graduating class gets deeper and deeper in student loan debt, they start looking for what seems to be an easy solution and may be swayed towards communism. Reducing interest to 0 or allowing discharge via bankruptcy has a two-fold effect: it saves the current batch of students while turning off the spigot of irresponsible lending (since lenders will no longer have reason to offer student loans under the current lax terms). Expensive private schools will face an immediate problem and have to lower their tuition costs while state and local colleges will be in a great position to benefit. States like NY that have their own free-college solution for instate residents will become attractive.

I'm not sure why you think Congress should be establishing regional minimum wages as opposed to the regions themselves, unless it was something like legislating a minimum wage that is pegged to the local cost of living (for example, the federal government has regional adjustments for their employees' pay scales - perhaps use that?).

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 23:23:46 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 23:20:47 2019.

1. Good point

2. Because you know that blue states will set reasonable minimum wages, while Dixie wont. Minimum wages should be based on the regional cost of living.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 23:47:15 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 23:23:46 2019.

2. This I guess is where my "legislation should be bottom up" approach differs from yours. People vote for local representatives who represent what they want. If they're comfortable with the wage where it is, why force it on them from above?

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 23:54:48 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 23:47:15 2019.

Im against that. There is too much emphasis on pissant local issues. Im sick of single member constituencies.

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Re: AOC plays the race card

Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 25 02:20:24 2019, in response to Re: AOC plays the race card, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 21:37:58 2019.

I would think 5 and 10 are mostly bipartisan. 8 is isolationist, maybe libertarian, don't think it truly fits standard conservative or liberal. Banning climate change talk in 11 smacks of stupid conservatism, and is at odds with 12. I would think 16 is conservative, though I agree it's gone too far.

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Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a raciast scam

Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 25 02:25:05 2019, in response to Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a raciast scam, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 24 22:27:40 2019.

IAWTP.

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Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a raciast scam

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 25 03:17:43 2019, in response to Re: AOC calls the Electoral College a raciast scam, posted by Mitch45 on Sat Aug 24 21:44:26 2019.

L😀L...
That's all?

Hmm.
Let's look at that a little closer.
She's VOCAL..Yes.
The Constitution gives her the Right to do so..
Did You make a sexist..classist bigoted statement belittling her due to her former position And the fact she is a Woman..?
Or is it due to the fact that she has bigger balls than You?


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