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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 08:59:01 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 07:14:29 2019.

And yet, a different DA did not bother to indict.

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by cortelyounext on Tue May 14 09:00:06 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 14 08:58:33 2019.

Probably.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 09:01:23 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 08:57:06 2019.

You just can't admit that you're wrong. Fatso was a skell who caused his own death by living by The Sword and dying by the sword. This is 5 years old already, he is with his daughter in the Great White Castle in the Sky.

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 14 09:02:07 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by cortelyounext on Tue May 14 08:53:35 2019.

**goes to check UVL's on-time percentage.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 09:02:33 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 08:55:13 2019.

Again, I suggest you watch the video. You know what? If We Ever Meet, I will whip out the phone and play the video and we will go over a frame by frame review. You will be converted! The truth shall set you free! I don't know why this talk-to-text capitalizes all the letters but it does

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:03:43 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 07:19:42 2019.

Think about it. A grand jury is a DA's forum. The DA can get a ham sandwich indicted if he or she is really doing their job.

Conversely, if a DA wants a case to go away, they know how to do that, too.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 09:04:25 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 08:58:31 2019.

Wrong.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:04:36 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 09:01:23 2019.

I'm not wrong.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:04:46 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:03:43 2019.

On the other hand, a DA may reasonably believe that a prosecution is unwarranted and yet still convene a grand jury in order to pass the buck.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:07:17 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:04:46 2019.

In a police-involved case, in the only borough where a Republican can get elected DA, Donovan sure as hell wasn't trying to gamble that this one would actually make it to trial.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:15:48 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by AlM on Tue May 14 08:01:51 2019.

Did he actually claim that a choke hold was applied or that there was merely obstruction to the airway, which obstruction led to his death?

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by AlM on Tue May 14 09:16:16 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 08:54:18 2019.

He said it was caused by a choke hold, unless you can prove the news media wrong on that.



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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:19:45 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 08:57:06 2019.

If Garner had committing himself to a life of good deeds and good health that day, he’d still be alive today.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by AlM on Tue May 14 09:20:09 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:15:48 2019.

The medical examiner ruled Mr. Garner’s death a homicide caused by the compression of his neck from a “choke hold” and the compression of his chest while being forced to the ground in a prone position.

Plenty of other links that say the same thing.



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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:22:16 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by AlM on Tue May 14 08:03:51 2019.

It is my impression that the ME did not say he was subject to a chokehold, only that his death was caused by airway obstruction.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by AlM on Tue May 14 09:32:45 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:22:16 2019.

Here's another link.

"The Chief Medical Examiner stands by the original forensic investigation and determination which found Mr. Garner died from injuries including neck compression,” the spokeswoman, Aja Worthy-Davis, said in a statement.





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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:45:12 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by AlM on Tue May 14 09:32:45 2019.

I don’t dispute that Garner died from neck compression. I dispute that what Pantaleo did was a “choke hold.”

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:52:02 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:45:12 2019.

The chokehold was the mechanism of injury.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:58:23 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:52:02 2019.

I disagree that it was a “chokehold.”

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by Dave on Tue May 14 09:59:51 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 14 08:41:27 2019.

Does anyone make gluten-free pizza crust?

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 10:01:44 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:07:17 2019.

Nevertheless, his convening of a grand jury was more politically-expedient than refusing to do so.

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 14 10:02:02 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by Dave on Tue May 14 09:59:51 2019.

Yes. Its everywhere.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 10:02:42 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:58:23 2019.

The inspector in charge of the NYPD Academy disagrees with you.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 10:11:14 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 10:02:42 2019.

Interesting. Thank you.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 14 10:13:52 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 10:02:42 2019.

LOL and like you, I'll bet that race had absolutely nothing to do with his "expert opinion". I bet he knew which side his bread was buttered as well.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:33:51 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:04:36 2019.

🙄🙄🙄

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by AlM on Tue May 14 10:34:56 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:45:12 2019.

What do you think caused the compression to the neck, if not a maneuver banned by the NYPD? The "seat belt" restraint is asserted by all concerned to not cause any compression whatsoever to the neck.



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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:35:34 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:03:43 2019.

There's only one little mind you detail that you left out. A controversial video tape of it and 24-hour wall-to-wall news coverage of it. It's not like he could just shitcan the case without anyone noticing. Whether he wanted to or not, or like it or not, he had to play this one by the numbers.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:36:22 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:03:43 2019.

And another thing. Do you really think that white people, especially those in power, think that little of black people that they would just condone murdering them on account of them being black? Come on with that shit!

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:37:08 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:07:17 2019.

I bet you that more police and other city workers are Democrat and Republican, by a long shot. So I don't know what you're getting at

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 14 10:42:19 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 09:04:36 2019.

Sure you are!

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:42:43 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by AlM on Tue May 14 09:20:09 2019.

Do you realize that you were showing an article that tells the findings of the New York City internal Affairs investigators, who, as everyone knows, couldn't find a Chinaman on Canal Street. They were told ahead of time how this case was going to come out and what that findings were going to be. And yes, that happens even though the Public's not supposed to know about it.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 10:42:55 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:36:22 2019.

It’s a subconscious bias.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:43:38 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by AlM on Tue May 14 09:16:16 2019.

Well, more experience and qualified heads prevailed, and the subchat nuts are just going to have to deal with it.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 10:43:39 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:37:08 2019.

Staten Island is the Republican borough.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 14 10:43:43 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 10:42:55 2019.

Are you guilty of it or is it just the other white folks?

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 10:44:28 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:42:43 2019.

Um, it’s “Chinaperson.”

Thank you for being tolerant.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:46:22 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 09:19:45 2019.

Yep

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by Dave on Tue May 14 10:46:39 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 14 10:02:02 2019.

So then why won't you eat pizza?

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:48:32 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by AlM on Tue May 14 09:32:45 2019.

And this one just a stated a chokehold was possible, not that it happened. NEXT!

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:50:15 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 10:02:42 2019.

Yeah..Now THERE'S a qualified guy to talk about it. 🙄🤛

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 10:55:40 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 14 10:13:52 2019.

I think his extensive experience as the chief officer responsible for training the city's police entirely informed his testimony. That's what "expert witness" means. Somehow that slipped by you.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 10:56:14 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:50:15 2019.

If not the Academy CO, then who?

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 14 10:58:34 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 10:42:55 2019.

Oh come on, how ridiculous.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 11:01:12 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 14 10:58:34 2019.

How is it ridiculous?

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 11:01:36 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 14 10:43:43 2019.

Maybe I am guilty of it. I don’t know.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 11:01:54 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:36:22 2019.

White people, especially those with power, have been doing exactly that for all of American history.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by AlM on Tue May 14 11:06:25 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 10:42:43 2019.

I'm not talking about their findings; I'm talking about their quote.

Many, many sources say that the medical examiner attributed Garner's death to a choke hold.

I don't claim to know whether the medical examiner is right or wrong. But given the many sources, I do believe s/he* said it, and you haven't done the slightest to demonstrate that s/he never said it.


* The medical examiner may be a woman based on what I've read, but I don't know for sure and don't want to spend the time verifying.




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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 11:33:55 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 10:42:55 2019.

There's nothing subconscious about not caring if black people die. Of course I am not talking about criminals of any race. If any criminal dies, no one gives a shit

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 11:34:53 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 11:01:54 2019.

It must suck to be you! No pun intended!

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