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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 19:09:54 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Feb 16 18:48:43 2019.

I don't get it.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Feb 16 19:13:08 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 19:09:54 2019.

Well that makes both of us.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Feb 16 19:14:55 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 16 19:09:01 2019.

Who's Al?

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 19:20:35 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:01:37 2019.

But the point is that the kids STILL know the mother tongue, even if they mostly speak English.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 19:20:54 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Feb 16 19:14:55 2019.



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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 19:22:05 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 16 19:09:01 2019.

Keep with the discussion! The original point is you said that they wouldn't understand the language of their home country and I said they would. Even if these kids speak English and 99% of the time, they still understand their parents language because the parents brought them up speaking it!

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 19:22:35 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 19:20:54 2019.

Let's rock!

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 16 19:25:41 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 16 19:09:43 2019.

Declaring an emergency when obviously none exists is also a problem as it is an abuse of the statute. If he gets away with that as well, next hissy fit things may get much much worse. Democracy took a body blow yesterday. We cannot allow our leaders to act in this manner ever.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:26:53 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 19:22:05 2019.

You are right more than half the time but considerably less than 100% of the time.



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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Feb 16 19:29:07 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 19:20:54 2019.

I've always wondered if he's related to this guy.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 19:34:28 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:26:53 2019.

You'll have a better shot of finding an imam cooking bacon for his congregation than finding an anchor/dreamer who doesn't understand the language their parents speak.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:38:17 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 19:34:28 2019.

I just have to look in a mirror then.

But I don't find an imam cooking bacon there.



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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 19:42:03 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:38:17 2019.

So then how did your parents talk to you?

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:42:48 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 19:42:03 2019.

After I reached age 5, in English.



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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 19:49:37 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Feb 16 19:29:07 2019.

I wondered the same thing.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Feb 16 19:55:01 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 19:49:37 2019.

lol

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 16 20:16:03 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 19:42:03 2019.

And just because your parents spoke the language, it doesn't mean you can speak, read, or write it. You still need to be taught, either in scool, your parents took the time to teach you, or you learned on your own,

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 16 20:18:02 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 19:20:35 2019.

As a child of immigrants, no, I do not know my mother tongue. Enough English was spoken that I used English.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 20:38:26 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 16 20:18:02 2019.

Bill claims you and I don't exist. :)



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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 16 20:41:14 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 20:38:26 2019.

No speaka da English. :-)

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Feb 16 20:45:42 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 19:20:54 2019.

Best sitcom ever!

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 20:47:29 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 16 20:16:03 2019.

I can speak, read, and write my parents' native language.

Interesting fact: My father grew up never speaking his parents' native language and his parents never spoke it at home. So Bill could be right, but the circumstances are totally different.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 20:48:00 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 16 20:18:02 2019.

As a child of immigrants, your mother tongue is English. IMO.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 16 20:52:47 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 20:48:00 2019.

Since I was born in the US, that's not really wrong.

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Re: ''I didn't need to do this''

Posted by WayneJay on Sat Feb 16 20:57:22 2019, in response to "I didn't need to do this", posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 13:37:05 2019.

Exactly! Either he's dumb as a rock or his mouth operates independently of his brain

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 21:12:04 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:42:48 2019.

By four years old I was speaking English but prior to that I was only speaking German. Not that I had a big vocabulary LOL

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 21:19:23 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 21:12:04 2019.

I am told that I only spoke Russian until I was 3. I still consider English to be my native language because I can speak, understand, read and write it better significantly better than anything else. If I had to testify in a Russian court, I'd prefer an English interpreter.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 21:24:01 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 21:19:23 2019.

I prefer English as it gets more difficult to retain a language you never use. I retained German for a long time to communicate with family abroad and also my maternal grandparents who really never fully spoke English even though they had been in the US since the late 50s. When family comes to visit from Germany or Austria I find myself thinking that I would really like it if they could speak English

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 16 21:52:43 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 21:24:01 2019.

German engineering fascinates me.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 16 22:08:35 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 16 19:25:41 2019.

He's not going to "get away with that". It might go to the Supreme Court. If it does, he'll be stopped there. Democracy did not take a body blow yesterday. The constitution took a challenge. We'll just have to sit back & see how this plays out

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 22:09:30 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 16 22:08:35 2019.

Agreed. It's a stated emergency, not martial law.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 22:10:06 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 16 21:52:43 2019.

Me too, like cars and train stuff.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 16 22:20:56 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 16 22:08:35 2019.

The court is, well, a little slanted now. Don't see a reason to be reassured by that idea. Democracy did take a body blow.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 16 22:21:57 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 22:09:30 2019.

Maybe not this time. I worry about next time. If he gets away with this, he'll do this again.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 22:23:13 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 16 22:08:35 2019.

If it does, he'll be stopped there.

I'm not convinced. He's invoking the National Emergencies Act of 1976. Under the NEA, Congress can disapprove, but then Trump can veto Congress's disapproval. If Congress can't override, the declaration stands.

There's nothing in the NEA that says the President's declaration of an emergency has to be truthful. :(

The only obstacle Trump faces is that for the first time ever, he is invoking an emergency to spend money that Congress has specifically decided not to authorize.



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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by WayneJay on Sat Feb 16 23:06:58 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 16 15:13:40 2019.

Absolutely! Clearly, he treats this presidency like an extension of his company, and thinks it's all about him and whatever he says.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 05:45:34 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 20:47:29 2019.

I'm always right!

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 05:53:54 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 16 20:18:02 2019.

Are you European?

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 05:54:39 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 20:38:26 2019.

I assume you're European?

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 05:56:11 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 20:48:00 2019.

Yes, but you guys keep deviating. The initial argument was to bingbong saying that these dreamers, who are 99.9% Mexican, would not understand the language if they get deported back to their home country. I don't know of any Mexican kid that does not speak Spanish who come from Spanish speaking parents

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 05:56:46 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 16 20:52:47 2019.

Of course not. Your mother tongue is English, I was talking about bingbongs original statement

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 06:10:55 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 22:23:13 2019.

This will be tied up in the courts for a long time

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 07:06:32 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 06:10:55 2019.

I expect it to make it to the Supreme Court for a decision before the end of 2020. The other big recent presidential powers cases related to entry visas went up the chain pretty quickly.



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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 07:20:44 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 05:54:39 2019.

No, I'm American. You and CMM want me to be European, but I'm not.

(It is true that every single one of my ancestors, going back a dozen generations and probably even a millenium, was originally European. The ones from the farthest east that I know of were from Vilnius and Vienna and the farthest west was from Ireland.)

PS. Why does it matter to this discussion?




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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 07:22:12 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 05:45:34 2019.

Yes, Mr. Malthus.



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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Feb 17 08:45:43 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 22:10:06 2019.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 09:11:04 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 07:20:44 2019.

I meant ethnically. I am of a European background but I am obviously American.
Because I wasn't talkin about European dreamers oh, and I don't think there are any of them in that program. I was specifically talking about ones of Mexican descent.

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 09:12:59 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 07:22:12 2019.

I hope you realize that I am not him and that he's been dead since the mid-1800s

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 17 09:57:59 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Feb 17 08:45:43 2019.

We’re going to get in trouble for being on topic LOL

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Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell

Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 10:00:36 2019, in response to Re: POTUS to declare national emergency: McConnell, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 09:11:04 2019.

I was specifically talking about ones of Mexican descent.

OK, that's fine, but it's the first time you've narrowed the field that far. This post sure didn't restrict the discussion to Mexico.




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