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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Oct 2 10:57:55 2017, in response to Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Oct 2 10:49:56 2017. Cause liberal states like California, Washington, New York and Minnesota are the economic engines of this country. 7 out of the bottom 10 states with unemployment are consevative. I mean if you want to go back 70 years to make your best argument then you already lost.Good job there sir, now take the gun and shoot your other foot while you’re at it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 11:45:35 2017, in response to Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Oct 2 10:49:56 2017. You want money? You gotta keep those states.If you can do without the money, fine. We'll be fine. Lulz. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Oct 2 11:47:26 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 11:45:35 2017. Klutz. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Oct 2 16:51:31 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 11:45:35 2017. What money? Nothing good comes in the mail or from tv that come from those states. I don't do ANY business in those states.Texas, Kansas, Alabama, Florida is the address of everything now. And that's ignoring some of them just being a middle-man of Mexico. Of course, this assumes you're beyond 1993 in thinking and acting and living. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Oct 2 16:52:38 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Oct 2 10:57:55 2017. California? The state that loses 15,000 people per day is an economic engine?Wow! What's Minnesota have to do with anything? Unless you misspelled Illinois! |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Oct 2 16:52:57 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Oct 2 10:57:55 2017. PS. Smaz called Minnesota one of the most right-wing states in the country. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 18:44:31 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 11:45:35 2017. Similarly, if you want food that doesn't cost more per month than rent, you gotta keep the red states. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Oct 2 18:56:34 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 18:44:31 2017. huh?Most of the food produced in America comes from California and from blue or swing Midwestern States. WTF comes from the South? |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Mon Oct 2 19:02:20 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by SMAZ on Mon Oct 2 18:56:34 2017. Tobacco... hmmmmmm |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 19:09:36 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 18:44:31 2017. Most of what I buy is locally(ish) sourced.Only things that come to mind are granulated sugar (FL, Mexico, Carribean, SAmerica) and coffee (S America). In winter, most of the frozen veggies are from California, Oregon and Washington. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Oct 2 19:10:53 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 18:44:31 2017. You can get a pretty wide variety of normally priced food from CA, OR, WA, NM, NV, CO, IL, NY, and NJ. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 19:15:54 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 19:09:36 2017. Yes, but what happens when locally sourced is the only source? The prices are kept down by the supply provided by factory farms. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 19:26:36 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 19:15:54 2017. The prices for locally sourced food are based on the cost of production and a meager profit. Every local producer will tell you so.To answer your question, I'd say nothing. Runaway greed doesn't happen out here. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Oct 2 20:04:01 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by AlM on Mon Oct 2 19:10:53 2017. The South is not food self-sufficient. The rest of the country is. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 2 20:42:00 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 19:26:36 2017. LOL! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 21:39:57 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 19:26:36 2017. Has nothing to do with greed, simple supply/demand. Right now the prices are reasonable because the customers are mainly people who seek out local. Take out the red states and suddenly, everyone who needs to eat now is buying local. Do you really think there's enough cows and chickens in New York state to handle more than a month's worth of NYC's beef, egg and poultry consumption?Unless city denizens start learning some good pigeon recipes, they will still need to give that money to the red states to buy food. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 21:59:52 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 21:39:57 2017. I don't live in or near NYC. Plenty to be had around here. Just gotta hit the right places.If you're gonna live downstate, you'll have to eat more squab for sure. Of course we'll send you what we don't need, after all there's profit for the farmers. Plus there'll be incentive to expand production. Ever consider that? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 23:05:51 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 21:59:52 2017. Plenty to be had around here. Just gotta hit the right places.Of course, if you go hunting and catch your own. If you're thinking of sale, that same slab of beef is going to be offered for the price it can sell at. If an NYC hedge fund manager can afford it at $40/lb, well that's certainly a reason his ilk will be getting fed before anyone upstate. Even if the they are only selling locally in person, it's worthwhile for someone with a refrigerated truck to buy them out and ship the lot to those who can afford it, wherever they may be. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 2 23:32:05 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 23:05:51 2017. You’re not thinking of this very rationally. Assuming you’re correct and we would need the Comfederacy for food, why wouldn’t they export it? It’s not like cheap food isn’t traded internationally. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 3 02:36:10 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 2 23:32:05 2017. He's doubly wrong.1. As you say, exports happen. 2. The US minus the Confederacy, or even just the blue states in the 2016 election, produce huge quantities of food. He lives in upstate NY but doesn't even realize that NY is a major net exporter of dairy products. He would only be right if red counties were to refuse to export to blue counties. But then the red counties would have an awful lot of trouble getting their farm equipment imported. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 3 02:38:50 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 23:05:51 2017. beefNM, NV, CO, OR, WA, CA. Blue states that produce plenty of beef. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 03:24:49 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 2 23:05:51 2017. Thats not how it works. See, the other side of beef gets sold locally. We take care of one another around here. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Oct 3 07:39:19 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 03:24:49 2017. Bullshit running little deep this week? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Oct 3 07:49:26 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 19:26:36 2017. Seriously, don't you think it's time you stopped trying to sell that myth? It isn't selling. You are just regular people. You don't live in Mayberry, aunt Bea. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 3 08:06:24 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Mon Oct 2 19:26:36 2017. LMAO!!! |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 09:29:35 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Oct 3 07:39:19 2017. No. I know actual farmers, buying directly fom them. They've told me how it works. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 3 09:51:36 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 09:29:35 2017. LOL!!! |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Oct 3 10:00:11 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 09:29:35 2017. Don't you get it yet. No one buys your "Albany, fairy land" bullshit. That's especially true of those who live nearby. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 10:07:43 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Oct 3 10:00:11 2017. Lol! I don't live in Albany, or for that matter any of the close suburbs or other cities in the region. I'm in the hills outside. Not a population center, where life is different not to mention up to a hour's drive away from here. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 3 10:12:41 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 10:07:43 2017. Oh come on. I am in Delaware county all the time, and it's as rural as you can get....and yes, while some of what you say is absolutely correct, lets not exaggerate. It's not the land of milk and honey with unicorns running around in a utopian paradise where we all live off the land with rainbows over the horizon every night. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 10:24:20 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 3 10:12:41 2017. Well, there IS plenty of milk and honey. Last unicorn farm folded last winter.I'm not exaggerating any more than you are. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 3 10:33:01 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 10:24:20 2017. LOL, okay, well I will give you that, there is literally plenty of "milk & honey". |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 10:38:54 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 3 10:33:01 2017. And if you want the artisanal cheese you pay the asking price. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 3 10:42:24 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 10:38:54 2017. Yes. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 3 21:27:11 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 2 23:32:05 2017. I am. The original premise was that the blue states have all the money. My statement was that the red states would still get the blue states' money in the form of food exports. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Oct 3 21:53:31 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 3 21:27:11 2017. Not anywhere close to what they're seeing in subsidies from taxes. Much of what they produce (and it isn't much) can be sourced elsewhere easily. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 3 22:34:33 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 3 21:27:11 2017. Food isn’t that expensive. They would get the same amount of money as they do now. That doesn’t go through the federal government. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Oct 4 15:12:39 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 3 21:27:11 2017. The'd be importing more food from the blue states than they would export.Not to mention the loss of USDA welfare. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Wed Oct 4 15:25:22 2017, in response to Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Oct 2 10:49:56 2017. Bc if blue states weren't in the Union the US would be a financial disaster. Unlike red states blue states give the fed gov't waay more than they get back. You would never know it by the politicuans in red states complaining about ppl taking 'handouts' their states take most of handouts. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 4 18:21:32 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 3 21:27:11 2017. You just won't pay attention to how much food blue states produce. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 4 19:13:02 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 4 18:21:32 2017. Even so, it's irrelevant. Blue states produce more valuable things than just food. "Agrarian economy" is often a euphemism for "poor." |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Oct 4 21:53:53 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 4 19:13:02 2017. No, it's an equivalent. More or less. Organic /artisanal= Barely solvent if lucky enough to sell to the right buyer. Sad but true. Only seems to happen in coastal regions where such is valued, excluding some who have the wisdom to reseve a few acres for organic vegetable cultivation. That's actually profitable. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 5 09:21:30 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 4 19:13:02 2017. Agreed. It's both wrong and irrelevant. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Oct 7 01:33:02 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by ftgreeneg on Mon Oct 2 19:02:20 2017. I wouldn't be surprised if some people grew this...
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 7 01:51:56 2017, in response to Re: Why were we so desperate to keep the liberal states again?, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Oct 7 01:33:02 2017. In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get…the women. |
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