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Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 13 11:26:28 2017, in response to Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 13 10:45:59 2017. The left here likes to post propaganda against these particular Jews.The Daily Backward is trying to construe this as Orthodox versus Secular. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 13 11:43:43 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 13 11:26:28 2017. After that rag called a Jewish leader even more dangerous than Democratic organizer Linda Sasour, I really don't want to click it.I've been trying to figure out what type of person knows what the wire and PVC poles are if they weren't already hardcore Orthodox. These pictures aren't showing anything noticeable at all. It looks like it takes a well trained anti-semite. And the person quoted about the parks being too crowded with "those people" in the article looks to be a leftist community activist. If these postings were in reddit, we'd never hear the end of it. But since it's the Jews, whatevs. I'm not going to comment on the psychos on the so called "divide". |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 13 12:57:03 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 13 11:43:43 2017. These ultra-Orthodox have taken over entire communities in Rockland County. They have driven out non-Jews, as well as non-Orthodox Jews. People in Mahwah are not anti-Semitic. They have gone out of their way to make this known. They just don't what what happened in Rockland County to happen to them, like in Lakewood, NJ. Why can't these people use their own own parks and recreational areas where they live? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 13 12:58:59 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 13 12:57:03 2017. Why can't these people use their own own parks and recreational areas where they live?WTF? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 13 13:01:00 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 13 12:57:03 2017. You're no moderate. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 13 13:38:35 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 13 12:57:03 2017. these peopleAlmost always an indicator that you've gone over a line. You're categorizing an entire group. If you were talking about blacks you'd know better than to say it. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 14:55:48 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 13 12:57:03 2017. Careful your true colors are showing. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 15:19:56 2017, in response to Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 13 10:45:59 2017. #FALSEMahwah NJ is not democrat. Simple research indicates Mahwah NJ vote republican in every major election. For Gov in 2013. President in the last couple elections, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahwah,_New_Jersey#Politics 'As of March 23, 2011, there were a total of 15,168 registered voters in Mahwah Township, of which 3,410 (22.5% vs. 31.7% countywide) were registered as Democrats, 4,349 (28.7% vs. 21.1%) were registered as Republicans and 7,399 (48.8% vs. 47.1%) were registered as Unaffiliated. There were 10 voters registered to other parties.[116] Among the township's 2010 Census population, 58.6% (vs. 57.1% in Bergen County) were registered to vote, including 73.1% of those ages 18 and over (vs. 73.7% countywide).[116][117] In the 2012 presidential election, Republican Mitt Romney received 6,862 votes (56.2% vs. 43.5% countywide), ahead of Democrat Barack Obama with 5,143 votes (42.1% vs. 54.8%) and other candidates with 99 votes (0.8% vs. 0.9%), among the 12,203 ballots cast by the township's 16,357 registered voters, for a turnout of 74.6% (vs. 70.4% in Bergen County).[118][119] In the 2008 presidential election, Republican John McCain received 6,768 votes (54.3% vs. 44.5% countywide), ahead of Democrat Barack Obama with 5,501 votes (44.2% vs. 53.9%) and other candidates with 100 votes (0.8% vs. 0.8%), among the 12,457 ballots cast by the township's 15,705 registered voters, for a turnout of 79.3% (vs. 76.8% in Bergen County).[120][121] In the 2004 presidential election, Republican George W. Bush received 6,829 votes (58.1% vs. 47.2% countywide), ahead of Democrat John Kerry with 4,829 votes (41.1% vs. 51.7%) and other candidates with 67 votes (0.6% vs. 0.7%), among the 11,758 ballots cast by the township's 14,759 registered voters, for a turnout of 79.7% (vs. 76.9% in the whole county).[122] In the 2013 gubernatorial election, Republican Chris Christie received 70.4% of the vote (5,115 cast), ahead of Democrat Barbara Buono with 28.5% (2,070 votes), and other candidates with 1.1% (79 votes), among the 7,391 ballots cast by the township's 15,601 registered voters (127 ballots were spoiled), for a turnout of 47.4%.[123][124] In the 2009 gubernatorial election, Republican Chris Christie received 4,602 votes (57.4% vs. 45.8% countywide), ahead of Democrat Jon Corzine with 2,942 votes (36.7% vs. 48.0%), Independent Chris Daggett with 404 votes (5.0% vs. 4.7%) and other candidates with 34 votes (0.4% vs. 0.5%), among the 8,018 ballots cast by the township's 15,479 registered voters, yielding a 51.8% turnout (vs. 50.0% in the county).[125]' |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 13 15:28:48 2017, in response to Re: Republican flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 15:19:56 2017. LOL!!!!!!!Thanks for posting here. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 15:54:19 2017, in response to Re: Republican flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 13 15:28:48 2017. Even tho I know ur being a smart ass I'll be a smart ass in return and say your welcome. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 13 15:59:39 2017, in response to Re: Republican flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 15:54:19 2017. I am not being a smart ass.I'm glad that you, Olog-hai, AlM, SMAZZA, Nilet, Jimmy25, Fred G, BILLBKLYN, FBklyn, JayZeeBMT, Kevin from Midwood, mcrivervsreef, and bingbong post here. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 13 16:00:47 2017, in response to Re: Republican flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 15:19:56 2017. All NJ Republicans are RINOs; de facto Dems. But thanks for playing. And you undermine your own argument:As of March 23, 2011, there were a total of 15,168 registered voters in Mahwah Township, of which 3,410 (22.5% vs. 31.7% countywide) were registered as Democrats, 4,349 (28.7% vs. 21.1%) were registered as Republicans and 7,399 (48.8% vs. 47.1%) were registered as Unaffiliated.The mayor of Mahwah is an independent, who hails from liberal Dallas TX. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 13 16:01:27 2017, in response to Re: Republican flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 13 15:59:39 2017. Thanks for attacking. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Aug 13 16:17:32 2017, in response to Re: Republican flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 13 15:59:39 2017. Yes you are. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 16:31:33 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 13 16:00:47 2017. LOL! |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 18:05:39 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 13 16:00:47 2017. 1.Is Independent democrat? No2.The residents vote for majority republican candidates except 1 time and THAT was an independent. 3. Don't care what kind of republicans they are they call themselve republicans register republican and vote for Republicans they are Republican no matter how hard you try and spin it. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 13 18:07:08 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 13 12:57:03 2017. The main issue I have, is the double standard.I'm not allowed to say this about african-americans moving in, eg. Harlem. I would be killed if I said this about Mexicans and Guatemalans. I'm supposed to grin and bare illegals as my neighbors. So why is it ok for these folks to go on about the Judes? The second major problem I have about this. These people, probably Ms. Nunez herself, will go and cry about border walls, and how I'm supposed to accept anyone on earth living next to me. But she can't handle a Jewish neighbor. It's so uneven, that it is actual racism. If all of these democrats were plain racists and xenophobes for everyone except just Jews, Russians, and Japanese, I may not have bothered to post. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 13 18:09:22 2017, in response to Re: Republican flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 15:19:56 2017. Outside of the percentages that Olog-hai highlighted, the people interviewed are as far away from being a Republican as you can get.I know some states have sunshine laws where you can look up the voter registration people, the closed states takes a little more research. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 18:40:38 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 13 18:07:08 2017. Sounds like you have the double standard. Why would you say that about blacks, mexicans etc but get offended of it's said about jews?It's offensive for anybody period doesn't matter the group. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 18:43:17 2017, in response to Re: Republican flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 13 18:09:22 2017. Their voting record says otherwise. Maybe it's because you're so invested in the right being above it all you can't recognize the fact that ppl on the right can say anything you'd disagree with. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 13 19:22:13 2017, in response to Re: Republican flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 18:43:17 2017. No, sorry, building cat habitats and petitioning against using animals as entertainment are not traditionally aligned with the Republican party, which is not even the topic here. Maybe if you weren't so invested in political bullcrap, you'd do the research yourself instead of acting the fool. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Aug 13 19:34:22 2017, in response to Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 13 10:45:59 2017. They are all deathly afraid that their community will become like the 5 Towns. Their fears are justified.However, if they try to make laws that function to ban religious practice, they will lose every time. The Village of Westhampton tried to do that and after years of litigation and lots of attorneys fees, they ended up losing. Municipalities cannot make any laws that function to restrict religion. So the people take it to the streets. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 13 19:44:48 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Aug 13 19:34:22 2017. Their fears are justifiedNo they are not. They are just being leftists. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 20:18:11 2017, in response to Re: Republican flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 13 19:22:13 2017. You're acting a fool. I'll say again the numbers of how the residents of Mahwah vote and the which party they registered to says Mahwah NJ is Republican. If it looks like a duck and quack like a duck it's a freaking duck. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 13 21:34:37 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 13 11:26:28 2017. A wire with some plastic pipes is hardly a "sign", so the legal complaint against the eruv seems absurd. But why is the plastic piping necessary in the first place? Would a plain wire not suffice? Or is the piping simply so that the eruv wire can be visually distinguished from telephone lines, etc? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 14 01:58:01 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Aug 13 19:34:22 2017. Their fears are justified.Why? You and many others live in the Five Towns without being ultra-orthodox. People live in Monsey without being ultra-orthodox. I understand one doesn't want to live in a town where everyone's social behaviors are the same, and very different from one's own. But except for a few enclaves like Kiryas Joel that were built with the express intent of being for the ultra-orthodox, why is that an issue? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 14 07:26:06 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Aug 13 19:34:22 2017. They are all deathly afraid that their community will become like the 5 Towns.They are more concerned that their community will become another East Ramapo. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 08:36:08 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 14 07:26:06 2017. Either way. They have a valid point. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 09:00:44 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 14 01:58:01 2017. Because one does not need to be ultra-Orthodox to "destroy" a neighborhood, in the eyes of some.Orthodox Judaism has a lot of rules and restrictions. The food not only must be kosher (like Hebrew National), it must be "glatt" kosher, which means certified kosher by a recognized Orthodox rabbi. The Sabbath (or Shabbat or Shabbos depending on where you're from) has a lot of restrictions regarding doing "work", the most famous (or infamous) of which is the prohibition of carrying anything in public. An "eruv" around a neighborhood (basically a barrier that can consist of a single thin wire) makes the neighborhood a "private" place so one can carry on the Sabbath. (Not all Orthodox groups agree with this.) There also must be a ritual bath house for women after their cycles and for new flatwear and cutlery. In addition, Orthodox children need to be educated in Tanach and the Talmud as well as in other subjects considered important by Orthodox Judaism. These subjects are very complicated and extensive and therefore the modern trend is to have Orthodox children attend Orthodox day schools, called yeshivas, so that they can have Orthodox instruction in the morning and early afternoon hours and secular instruction during other times. Finally, Orthodox prayer services usually require a quorum of at least 10 men over the age of 13 (bar mitzvah) or else many of the services can't be performed. Now, for all of these reasons Orthodox Jews can't live in isolated places - they need to live among other Orthodox Jews. And that is where the fear begins. The secular or Gentile residents of a neighborhood see that Orthodox families are moving in and they right away know that these people are going to open at least one synagogue, a ritual bath, at least one glatt kosher supermarket and probably one or two glatt kosher restaurants or pizza shops. They are afraid that once these places are up and running, more Orthodox Jews will move in and start to take over the existing businesses and turn them into Orthodox businesses, until the snowball turns into an avalanche and the entire neighborhood caters mostly to the Orthodox. Since the Orthodox don't send their children to the local public schools, the public school system shrinks as Gentiles and secular Jews move out and Orthodox Jews move in. Public schools are combined and buildings are closed, whereas synagogues and yeshivas open. And so on. The 5 Towns is usually cited by the secular Jews and the Gentiles as a perfect example of what happens when Orthodox Jews are permitted to transform a neighborhood. People are deathly afraid that if Orthodox Jews are allowed to get a foothold in their neighborhoods, that they will eventually transform the whole area and the secular and Gentiles will have nothing - no non-kosher restaurants, no schools for their children, no places to eat out, et al. So they try to keep the Orthodox out before they have a chance to get it, and the easiest way to do it is to prevent them from building the eruv. Without an eruv, nobody can carry things on the Sabbath and mothers can't push their strollers to synagogue or to their friends and families' homes. The secular and Gentiles believe (correctly) that this is a major inconvenience to the Orthodox and that will keep them from moving in. The problem is that the Constitution prevents any municipality from passing laws that restrict freedom of religion. Thus, the local municipalities have to be VERY careful about passing laws prohibiting putting up wires on poles, et al because if the municipality can't prove that there is a need for the law other than to prohibit the building of an eruv, the law will be struck down. That's what happened in Westhampton - they passed a law prohibiting anything from being tacked onto the light poles and similar structures in Westhampton. This obviously meant that the eruv wire couldn't be put up there but the Orthodox group that wanted the eruv demonstrated to the Court that the Village was allowing signs for businesses, et al to be placed on the poles. It was in Court for years and the Orthodox eventually won. Now, the presence of Orthodox Jews does not necessarily mean that a village will be "destroyed". There are plenty of Orthodox neighborhoods on Long Island that remain small and isolated - like Plainview, West Hempstead, North Bellmore and Merrick. But the fear of the 5 Towns makes people crazy. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 14 09:19:46 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 09:00:44 2017. Are you saying the Five Towns have no non-kosher restaurants? Also, has public school quality decreased?I agree the East Ramapo school situation is unacceptable and there needs to be state legislation to protect the minority membership of a school district against a majority push to defund the public school system. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Aug 14 12:01:06 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 09:00:44 2017. Could you please cite some references for your assertion that the 5 Towns are looked at unfavorably by secular Jews and non-anti-semitic non-Jews for reasons specific to the population of religious Jews?And to answer AlM, I'm pretty sure there are non-kosher restaurants in the area. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 14 12:25:38 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 18:40:38 2017. "It's offensive for anybody period doesn't matter the group. "Not on the left. Look at Ferguson, used to be all white. Sundays paper had a 3 page spread about a town in Appalachia which used to be 100% white. now the schools are 80% Mexican/Guatemalan. But, since the Jews aren't people, this gets treated differently by the left. I don't see heartfelt change articles and any embrace. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 14 12:26:49 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 13 21:34:37 2017. You'd have to ask the towns Nazi's for an answer that that. Most other people don't know the intricacies to even spot such issues. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 14 12:27:38 2017, in response to Re: Republican flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 13 20:18:11 2017. Yes, if you act like a democrat, are registered a democrat, vote democrat, and sign hundreds of petitions for democratic concerns, it's not hard to figure out.Read the posts. Do some research on the people. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 14 12:30:22 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Aug 13 19:34:22 2017. They're being xenophobic and racist. Ferguson is not all white anymore. Towns in the Appalichian mountains which were 100% white for 200 years are not 80% hispanic. Harlem is black. Texas is Minority Majority. Etc etc. What makes these fruitloops so special they get to have a Montana style whitetopia?These folks are no different than every other sort of bigot. Things change. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 14 12:31:23 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Aug 13 19:34:22 2017. PS. There's a synagogue in Boca Raton of all places that's been litigated for years. Residents claim that building one would mean that Judiasm is the official religion.I don't even see such nonsense regarding mosks. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Aug 14 13:01:02 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 14 12:31:23 2017. Its spelled "Mosque" dumbass. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 14 13:05:08 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 14 12:31:23 2017. It's "mosque"...A mind is a terrible thing to waste.... Oh wait... |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 14 14:13:33 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 09:00:44 2017. People are deathly afraid that if Orthodox Jews are allowed to get a foothold in their neighborhoods, that they will eventually transform the whole area and the secular and Gentiles will have nothing - no non-kosher restaurants, no schools for their children, no places to eat out, et al.What kosher restaurant prohibits non-Jews from eating there? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 14 14:22:45 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 14 09:19:46 2017. According to friends of mine in the Five Towns that send their children to public schools, the quality of public schools has decreased dramatically because the school board, a majority of whom send their children to Yeshivas and not the public schools, have drastically cut services that are provided in public schools in order to allow for increased support for children going to private schools. There was a similar attempt in Great Neck this past year that failed miserably, but an Orthodox Jew who works in the same office suite as mine was hoping the slate of Orthodox candidates would win because they would give him more money to send his children to a local Yeshiva even though that was what he was going to do anyway regardless of the quality of the public schools. |
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Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 14:26:48 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 14 14:13:33 2017. None. But kosher restaurants don't serve the kind of food that non-Jews like, such as bacon, any kind of pork products or any dish that has dairy and meat together (like chicken parmesan).Also, there are some people who firmly believe that kosher food is tasteless and unhealthy. I worked with a guy from Liberia years ago who was convinced that kosher food would give him dysentery. As such, while non-Jews could theoretically eat at a kosher restaurant, many of them feel that it is a major inconvenience for then, since the kosher restrictions don't apply to them and they should have more choices in their own neighborhoods. |
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Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Aug 14 14:31:55 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 09:00:44 2017. North Bellmore and MerrickIt's weird because I don't think of North Bellmore and Merrick has an Orthodox community. FWIW, I've been in the area for about ten years or so, and while there is a large Jewish population, it doesn't seem as "obvious" as Five Towns for example. |
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Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 14 14:53:32 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 14:26:48 2017. As such, while non-Jews could theoretically eat at a kosher restaurant, many of them feel that it is a major inconvenience for then, since the kosher restrictions don't apply to them and they should have more choices in their own neighborhoodsWould you say they feel the same way about Halal restrictions? |
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Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 15:24:04 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 14 14:22:45 2017. "According to friends of mine in the Five Towns that send their children to public schools, the quality of public schools has decreased dramatically because the school board, a majority of whom send their children to Yeshivas and not the public schools, have drastically cut services that are provided in public schools in order to allow for increased support for children going to private schools."That is a BLATANT LIE that has been disproven many times. Your friends are obviously a bunch of bigots. Here is the truth. The demographics of the 5 Towns have changed dramatically since the 1980's. Orthodox families have moved in and Gentile families and non-Orthodox families have moved out. Nothing new here, demographics change everywhere over time. Case in point, the South Bronx. As more Orthodox families moved in, there was a gradual shift in the school-age student population from the public schools to the private schools. Again, to be expected. Here is the rub - the School Board of District 15 in Nassau County, which governs part of the 5 Towns, continued to submit the same or higher school budgets year after year to the state, with corresponding raises in school taxes, despite the fact that the public school student population was shrinking pretty quickly. The School Board openly admitted that the student population was shrinking but they maintained that the needed to keep the budget high so that teachers would not have to be laid off, even though these teachers had very few students to teach. There was a story about one school having three music teachers for 10 students. The Orthodox families of the 5 Towns face a double-edged sword - not only do they have to pay for private schools, which can total tens of thousands of dollars per year, but they also have to pay the school taxes that support the public schools. Orthodox families know this going in and by and large, accept it - the families are good citizens and want public school children to have a place to be educated. But as the 1990's became the 2000's, more and more information became public to show that the District 15 School Board was wasting money - submitting exorbitant budgets to keep teachers employed (a noble idea, admittedly) despite the public schools being more than half-empty. But what burned them even more was the School Board's refusal to provide free services for special ed students in the private schools whereas special ed students in the public schools did get free services. So the Orthodox families began to complain to the School Board, but were ignored. So, Orthodox members of the 5T began to run for School Board positions. Those elections are held every year. The Orthodox people had to run for those positions because the School Board was collecting their tax money without any concern for the rights of the people paying them - taxation without representation, in other words. The first few elections were contentious indeed - Orthodox parents ran against public school parents. Since by that time the 5T had a majority of Orthodox parents, the Orthodox parents won seats on the School Board. Immediately, there were lawsuits filed by the public school parents - these suits claimed that the Orthodox parents had no right to sit on the School Board because they had no children in the system and therefore could not govern the system properly. Each and every lawsuit was thrown out almost immediately as being in violation of civil rights laws, i.e., that you could not bar a person from holding public office based on religious beliefs. The Courts also held point blank that if the School Board was going to tax the private school parents, then the private school parents had the right to see how that money was spent, including sitting on the School Board itself. After those cases were thrown out, the public school parents gave in and since the early 2000's, District 15 has had a majority of private school parents on the School Board. Now, then. About school closures. At one time, there were six public schools (Schools #1 through #6), one middle school in Lawrence (Lawrence Middle School) and one high school (Lawrence High School) in District 15. Because of changing demographics, some of these schools, which are huge structures, were at least half empty. The families who sent students to those schools had simply moved away. In the 1990's, the School Board closed the #4 school and sold it to a yeshiva - and it was the public school parent School Board who did that. In the early 2000's, the #1 school was combined with the #2 school and the #1 school property was sold to a developer, who paid the School Board millions for it. In later years, with still declining numbers, the #5 school was combined with Lawrence Middle School (which building is astoundingly large) and the building was leased to a yeshiva. In about 2007 the #6 school was closed and its student body combined with the #3 school and its premises were sold to a yeshiva. That is where we stand today - District 15 schools now consist of the #2 school and the #3 school in their own premises, the #5 school in the Lawrence Middle School building, and Lawrence High School. Now, the question is - did the Orthodox School Board close these schools to benefit the yeshivas, or did they close them because declining demographics gave rise to a new fiscal policy which required the closure of underused schools? As an Orthodox parent, my answer is the latter. I can tell you first hand that the closure of the public schools and the opening of yeshivas in their place has not helped me ONE BIT. The tuition for my four children (three in elementary school and one in high school) for the 2017-2018 is SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. That is a $70 followed by three zeroes (or five, if you count cents). There is a widespread tuition crisis in the 5 Towns - people can't afford to send their children to the yeshivas anymore. The cost has become prohibitive, to be charitable. Some people have espoused doing away with the yeshiva system and returning to the cheder system of the 1930's - have the children go to public school in the morning and to an abbreviated Hebrew school in the afternoons. Tuition is killing many of the 5T parents, me included. Now, I agree that I have no right to bitch and moan because I choose to send my children to private school. But that isn't the point - the point is that the closure of the empty public school buildings has not helped us financially ONE LITTLE BIT. In fact, my kids' tuition goes up EVERY YEAR despite the closure of public school facilities. Other parents experience this too. Where is the benefit that I'm supposed to be getting from the closures? It doesn't exist! That is my point. What the Orthodox School Board has done is streamline the public school budget to keep school taxes down at a reasonable level. For my house in the 5T, which sits on a 4800 square foot plot of land, house included, I pay about $6500 per year in total taxes. The same plot of land in District 14 would have taxes over $10,000. And holding the line on taxes doesn't just benefit the Orthodox families, it benefits every single taxpayer in the 5T, either Orthodox or not. I agree that the quality of education in District 15 is not what it was 40 years ago, and that is sad. But I don't believe that the Orthodox School Board is completely to blame. Declining test scores and graduation rates are also the fault of disintegrating families and children raised in a "me first" society, where they don't care about education. So either your friends are ignorant or they're bigots. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 14 15:38:27 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 14:26:48 2017. Bacon!!!!!LOL. If you go to most supermarkets bacon is limited to one or two brands. Jews need to reconsider their consumption of bacon. It was swine centuries ago. Today, modern farming makes it safe and healthy. We'd have far less obesity and t2d if more people ate bacon regularly. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 14 15:48:33 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 14 14:22:45 2017. i know people in Forest Hills Queens who feel the same about local schools.They send their kids to Jewish schools K-8 but not high school. They say it's too expensive. It's the same situation in the Catholic community in NY. People find a way to send kids to Catholic school through eighth grade then public school for high school. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 15:48:55 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 14 14:53:32 2017. No, because the Halal standard is not as restrictive as the Kosher standard, especially the Glatt kosher standard.Halal prohibits pork products, but Muslims can eat chicken, seafood and milk/meat combined. I see many non-Muslims buying food from Halal food stands in downtown Brooklyn because other than pork products, you can pretty much get the same food at a Halal stand as you can get at a "regular" stand. Also, "Halal" does not require the OK of a Muslim authority, but I might be wrong about that. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 15:53:11 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 14 15:38:27 2017. Sorry, as long as bacon is made from pork, its a no-no. They could be raised in country clubs, it makes no difference. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 14 16:01:52 2017, in response to Re: Democrats flip out, go full-retard, and try instituting Third Reich policies in New Jersey, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 14 15:38:27 2017. LOL! |
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