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Re: Are we winning yet?
Posted by Fred G* on Tue Jun 6 13:12:45 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jun 6 12:50:35 2017.* What do you mean "if it is voluntary"? It is.
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Posted by mtk52983* on Tue Jun 6 13:15:41 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 6 13:12:45 2017.* If so, then why the big stink about us being part of it or not? After all, if it is as voluntary as you claim, being part of it and opting not to meet the targets achieves the same result.
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Jun 6 13:44:45 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jun 6 11:59:38 2017.* China and India and other countries do not have to reduce their pollution. They have agreed to make major changes so that their CO2 doesn't grow proportionately with their rapid economic growth.
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Tue Jun 6 13:45:42 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 6 12:16:16 2017.* I wouldn't worry about my career, buttercup. I saw where all those high tech Solyndra jobs went. Worry about your little democrat, Cuomo taking away your widow's pension.
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Tue Jun 6 13:46:35 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 6 13:44:45 2017.* Fucking double talk, clown drone.
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Posted by 3-9* on Tue Jun 6 14:20:40 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 6 12:01:16 2017.* Actually, it kind of does.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Jun 6 14:21:38 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jun 6 13:15:41 2017.* Because continuing to be part of it we could be a WORLD LEADER instead of a pariah. GOD DAMN DONALD TRUMP!
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 14:28:48 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 6 12:46:29 2017.* Actually, it's being "voluntary" is part of the point. If Trump had said "we're redefining America's goals [downward]" he could look forward to months or years of fights and (likely) lawsuits. If China or India or other countries decide not to abide by their bogus "commitments" don't look for any enforcement or domestic blowback. From my POV, we should have ended the charade of this voluntary "agreement" and all such international "agreements" that are not treaties that are proposed by the President and submitted for ratification by 2/3 of the Senators present. That's what the Constitution demands for a binding international obligation. I am amazed by the immature response of our free press, opinion makers and politicians, that they argue about whether or not backing out of Obama's* executive agreement* on climate is good or bad, instead of the fact that withdrawing is the proper response to an attempt to bind the U.S. to take actions outside of the Constitutional process.** * And many people seem to believe it is a treaty; I had a discussion with another SubChatter on a different forum who thought it was a treaty that wasn't ratified by the Senate. No longer the President. * in other words, a nullity once the Chief Executive withdraws it. Actually, Obama could have cancelled it himself, if he wanted. **** Of course, we're turning our back on "the rest of the world. So, as my mother would say "If all your friends jump would jump off a cliff, you would too?" [Actually I might have said "probably," but that doesn't make it a good idea.]
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 14:30:25 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 6 14:21:38 2017.* You are not a WORLD LEADER by FOLLOWING. G-D DAMN TRUMP HATERS!
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 14:31:39 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 6 13:44:45 2017.* Yes, Dr. Pangloss.
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Posted by bingbong* on Tue Jun 6 14:32:45 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jun 6 13:45:42 2017.* LOL! You deliver pizza, are you listening to yourself?!?!? The NYs pension fund is the most solvent fund in the country. No need for any worry there.worry about your future, your asshole in DC is handing it to the Chinese. Learn Mandarin.
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Jun 6 14:35:22 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 14:28:48 2017.* So, as my mother would say "If all your friends would jump off a cliff, you would too?" However, in this case, all our friends are saying "Be careful, there's a cliff up ahead" and our president is saying "Oh don't be such a bunch of worriers."
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 14:36:43 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 6 12:42:04 2017.* It doesn't matter what it says. It's not a treaty. One President made it; the next President unmade it.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 14:37:43 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 6 14:35:22 2017.* Cute response.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 14:47:36 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 6 12:16:16 2017.* You're not aware that U.S. solar firms are in deep trouble. Sungevity is in Chapter 11 and has laid off 2/3 of its remaining staff (about 400 people). Tesla has laid off 3,000 SolarCity employees. These and other companies cannot compete with China. Obama already handed off our market. (If you think this somehow has to do with Trump, just read a little business news going well back into last year).
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 14:49:58 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 6 14:32:45 2017.* The NYs pension fund is the most solvent fund in the country. Yes, it's in the New York Constitution and defended by a string of NYS Comptrollers. But watch out, there's a Constitutional Convention coming on.
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Jun 6 14:56:46 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 14:37:43 2017.* But consistent with the evidence.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 14:59:14 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 6 14:56:46 2017.* What evidence?
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Posted by bingbong* on Tue Jun 6 15:03:04 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 14:49:58 2017.* Oh? To what ends?
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Jun 6 15:10:47 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 14:59:14 2017.* LOL.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 15:14:38 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 6 15:10:47 2017.* I'll see your LOL and raise you a ROFLMAO
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 15:18:49 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 6 15:03:04 2017.* They have to have ask the voters if they want one every 20 years (I think). So what is considered can be pretty far ranging. I'm voting NO. These things can be a loose cannon.
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Jun 6 15:20:42 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 15:18:49 2017.* I agree. Conventions are dangerous from both sides of the spectrum.
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Posted by 3-9* on Tue Jun 6 15:23:09 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 14:30:25 2017.* You can't be a world leader if no one respects you.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 15:28:55 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 6 15:23:09 2017.* My children are grown now, but they didn't always get their way. You think I lost their respect? Respect isn't created by following the people who should be following you.
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Posted by 3-9* on Tue Jun 6 15:30:09 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 14:47:36 2017.* So how are Trump's actions helping?
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Jun 6 15:35:34 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 6 15:30:09 2017.* The solar industry?
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Posted by ftgreeneg* on Tue Jun 6 15:36:06 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 15:28:55 2017.* The reason the world doesn't respect isn't bc the US isn't following them, it's bc he's clown doing things like pushing aside prine ministers, trying to intimidate ppl with stupid handshake, kissing Putin's ass, getting punked by North Korea etc etc etc
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Tue Jun 6 15:46:35 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jun 6 15:36:06 2017.* Yo bro, time to let go. Obama is gone. The damage that idiot caused will be undone.
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Posted by 3-9* on Tue Jun 6 16:37:56 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 15:28:55 2017.* You wouldn't have necessarily lost their respect by not letting them have their way, you would have lost it by being a jerk who clearly won't recognize or admit that you were wrong. And Trump, BTW, doesn't have the advantage of being the other nations' parent - it's closer to the other way around. And where did you get the idea that we were "following"? We negotiated the agreement along with all the other major nations.
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Posted by 3-9* on Tue Jun 6 16:39:58 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 15:35:34 2017.* Yes, the solar industry problems you just mentioned. You do realize that China has invested well over $100 billion in renewable energy industries and we invested ???
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Jun 6 16:43:13 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 6 16:39:58 2017.* ok 3-9 Do you have solar panels on your roof? Do you have rail barrels in your backyard? This applies to all Hillary supporters who post here.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Tue Jun 6 17:08:55 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Mtk52983 on Mon Jun 5 19:28:48 2017.* If this was about being at the forefront of this field, China would be insisting on caps on its pollution so it can develop new technologies to sell to everyone else in the future. China doesn't need caps. It's developing and mass producing new technologies to sell to everyone.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Jun 6 17:37:19 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 15:18:49 2017.* I'm voting yes. Everything they propose would be subject to referendum regardless. My pet issue is judiciary reform. Although that is an issue in which much of the electorate is either uninterested or uninformed. If they're smart, they'll have multiple referenda instead of one big package. I also wish they would adopt initiative,* referral and recall, but they won't. *only for statutes. I think California-style initiatives for Constitutional amendments is a bad idea.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Jun 6 17:51:21 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 6 15:14:38 2017.* I'll see your LOL and raise you a ROFLMAO Commie!
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Posted by bingbong* on Tue Jun 6 18:02:07 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 6 15:20:42 2017.* I see no reason to do one.
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Posted by ftgreeneg* on Tue Jun 6 18:11:40 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jun 6 15:46:35 2017.* You mean his accomplishments including 23 million who will be left uninsured after the GOP finsish wrecking ACA... If it wasn't for Obama this country would be in the middle of the second Great Depression created by another GOP'er. PS Trump's a clown
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Posted by 3-9* on Tue Jun 6 19:48:21 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 6 16:43:13 2017.* 1. No, because that would likely be an insurance headache. 2. No, because it's not MY backyard.
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Are we winning yet? Yep
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Jun 6 19:52:12 2017, in response to Are we winning yet?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 5 05:29:46 2017.* Associated Press Fear of deportation drives people off food stamps in US By Claudia Torrens and Gisela Salomon Jun 6, 2017 5:25 PM EDT A crackdown on illegal immigration under President Donald Trump has driven some poor people to take a drastic step: opt out of federal food assistance because they are fearful of deportation, activists and immigrants say. People who are not legal residents of the U.S. are not eligible to take part in what is formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. But many poor families include a mix of non-legal residents and legal ones, such as children who have citizenship because they were born in the U.S. In those cases, it is often an adult who is not a legal resident who submits the application. Some now feel that is too dangerous under a president who has made immigration enforcement a priority. Throughout the U.S., there are accounts of people resisting efforts of nonprofit organizations to sign them up for food stamps, letting benefits lapse or withdrawing from the program because of the perceived risk. “They don’t want to put their name and address on a form for a government public benefit out of fear that they’ll be sought out and asked to leave,” said Teresa Smith, executive director of Catholic Charities of Orange County, California. The food stamp program provides monthly payments, typically about $125 per eligible household member, to poor families to buy essential staples. Going without can be an extreme decision, advocates say. “This means less food on the table, fewer meals in houses where the kids have rights because they are U.S. citizens,” said Andrew Hammond, an attorney for Chicago’s Sargent Shriver National Center on Poverty Law. It is not possible to determine the extent of the phenomenon. The number of food stamp recipients has declined as the U.S. recovers from the Great Recession and people could drop out for various reasons. A 52-year-old woman interviewed in New York City, a Mexican in the country illegally, told The Associated Press she was motivated in January to drop a benefit that was supporting her teenage daughter, a U.S. citizen, purely because she was afraid of being in the food stamp system, which requires applicants to state their immigration status. “I had been told that it’s OK to apply for food stamps. But, for the moment, I don’t want to take any risks,” said the woman, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of her immigration status and was introduced to AP through an organization that helps immigrants, the Mexican Coalition of the South Bronx. “I need it but I have peace of mind because my case is closed,” said the woman, who makes $8.50 an hour cleaning houses and lives in small apartment on the Lower East Side of Manhattan. A Honduran immigrant and single mother with one child in Silver Spring, Maryland, decided not to renew the food stamps she received when they expired in January. “We fear deportation,” said the 29-year-old immigrant, who also spoke on condition of anonymity and was introduced to AP through a local nonprofit. She normally earns about $350 per week answering phones at a travel agency but has been working extra hours cleaning homes to make up for the loss of about $150 per month in food stamps. Mark Krikorian, a well-known advocate for reducing immigration to the U.S., said their situation reflects the fact that many people who come to the country lack the skills to earn enough money here. “It is an attempted moral blackmail to say ’If you Americans don’t give me your money, I can’t stay here and feed my children,’” he said. “Well, it’s your choice. No one made you sneak into the United States.” About 3.9 million citizen children living with noncitizen parents received food stamps in the 2015 fiscal year, the most recent available data, according to the Department of Agriculture, which administers the food stamp program. The Department of Agriculture says a lower percentage of noncitizens who qualify for the program known as SNAP have historically used the benefit than citizens because of an incorrect perception that it could affect their immigration status or hurt their chances of becoming a U.S. citizen. “It is important for non-citizens to know they will not be deported, denied entry to the country, or denied permanent status because they apply for or receive SNAP benefits,” the agency says on its website. Driving the most recent fears about the program is an increase in immigration enforcement. Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested nearly 40 percent more people suspected of being in the country illegally in the first 100 days under Trump than in the same period a year earlier. The agency said nearly 75 percent of them had been convicted of criminal offenses but “non-criminal arrests” were up by more than 150 percent. Immigrant advocates see the aversion to food stamps as a reflection of a climate of fear that drives people in the country illegally deeper underground, which in some cases also makes them reluctant to report crimes. “We should care if people are afraid to interact with institutions that all of us rely on for our health and well-being,” said Tanya Broder, senior attorney at the National Immigration Law Center.
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Posted by ClearAspect* on Tue Jun 6 19:55:29 2017, in response to Are we winning yet? Yep, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 6 19:52:12 2017.* So how much money has to put into our pockets? What about illegal tax havens for the rich which is known to cost taxpayers more than food stamps.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Jun 6 21:03:49 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 6 19:48:21 2017.* Ok 3-9. Well your landlord should be aware that solar panels and rain barrels are help to the environment. I would love to do a random spot check of some OTchaters land to see if they live like they post.
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Posted by 3-9* on Tue Jun 6 21:09:33 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 6 21:03:49 2017.* So since you seem to have land, you are in a much better position for those things than me. Ergo, you should be the one doing it.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Jun 6 21:14:17 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 6 21:03:49 2017.* Mosquitoes love rain barrels.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Jun 6 21:32:27 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 6 21:14:17 2017.* I got one out of necessity. I'd love to visit the following Subchatters to see if they have one:
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Posted by 3-9* on Tue Jun 6 21:44:06 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 6 21:14:17 2017.* IAWTP. It's a pain for an acquaintance of mine, though in theory, there should be ways to restrict them.
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Posted by bingbong* on Tue Jun 6 22:24:06 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 6 21:09:33 2017.* Exactly. I was amazed to see how few homes in south Florida that do NOT have solar panels on their roofs, despite it being prime locale for solar. Around here, more and more homeowners are loading their roofs (condo owners don't have roof rights) and cashing in on this (the electricity gernerated mitigates electric bills and pay for themselves, knowing what the rates are down there makes ths a megamystery) So Luch, why haven't YOU racked up your roof?
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Posted by bingbong* on Tue Jun 6 22:33:11 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 6 21:14:17 2017.* Get those mosquito dunks. They work very very well. We used to use them in our fountain.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Jun 6 23:06:20 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 6 21:32:27 2017.* I'm not saying that it's impossible to keep mosquitoes out of rain barrels, but it is some work. You might even end up with a few spring peeper frog eggs in there.
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Posted by SMAZ* on Tue Jun 6 23:22:50 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 12:18:33 2017.* Look for France to come whining to the English-speaking west to defend them for the third time in a century. Germany is gonna invade a nuclear power on 1.2% defense GDP spending? Hey Olog, all we need is to for you to provide a link to a german-foreign-policy article.
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Posted by SMAZ* on Tue Jun 6 23:32:03 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 13:29:33 2017.* ancestors from the bishopric of Trier
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