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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:31:14 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:16:24 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:31:24 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:16:36 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:33:45 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:30:54 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:33:55 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:31:05 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:34:06 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:31:14 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:34:16 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:31:24 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:48:29 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:33:45 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:48:39 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:33:55 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:48:53 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:34:06 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by MTK52983 on Sat Mar 11 16:49:16 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 16:18:04 2017. No that is not what I meant, but when you decide to grow a brain do feel free to come back and post. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:53:22 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:48:29 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:53:32 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:48:39 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:53:42 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:48:53 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:53:46 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 16:48:53 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 17:00:01 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 16:12:47 2017. LOL jungle kingdoms You're about a 1000% wrong... I could explain it but i found an article (with references) that explains it a lot better than i can.http://www.asbmb.org/asbmbtoday/asbmbtoday_article.aspx?id=32437 Here some excepts with advancements from Egypt deleted. (Don't know why Northern Africa is left out most ancient Egyptians were actually black still but I'll play along) "Math Eight thousand years ago, people in present-day Zaire developed their own numeration system, as did Yoruba people in what is now Nigeria. The Yoruba system was based on units of 20 (instead of 10) and required an impressive amount of subtraction to identify different numbers. Scholars have lauded this system, as it required much abstract reasoning (4). Astronomy A structure known as the African Stonehenge in present-day Kenya (constructed around 300 B.C.) was a remarkably accurate calendar (5). The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations (6). Many of their discoveries were so advanced that some modern scholars credit their discoveries instead to space aliens or unknown European travelers, even though the Dogon culture is steeped in ceremonial tradition centered on several space events. The Dogon knew of Saturn’s rings, Jupiter’s moons, the spiral structure of the Milky Way and the orbit of the Sirius star system. Hundreds of years ago, they plotted orbits in this system accurately through the year 1990 (6). They knew this system contained a primary star and a secondary star (now called Sirius B) of immense density and not visible to the naked eye. Metallurgy and tools Many advances in metallurgy and tool making were made across the entirety of ancient Africa. These include steam engines, metal chisels and saws, copper and iron tools and weapons, nails, glue, carbon steel and bronze weapons and art (2, 7). Archtecture and Engineering Advances in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda between 1,500 and 2,000 years ago surpassed those of Europeans then and were astonishing to Europeans when they learned of them. Ancient Tanzanian furnaces could reach 1,800°C — 200 to 400°C warmer than those of the Romans (8). e of 2.25 million blocks of stone (3). Later, in the 12th century and much farther south, there were hundreds of great cities in Zimbabwe and Mozambique. There, massive stone complexes were the hubs of cities. One included a 250-meter-long, 15,000-ton curved granite wall (9). The cities featured huge castlelike compounds with numerous rooms for specific tasks, such as iron-smithing. In the 13th century, the empire of Mali boasted impressive cities, including Timbuktu, with grand palaces, mosques and universities (2) Medicine Many treatments we use today were employed by several ancient peoples throughout Africa. Before the European invasion of Africa, medicine in what is now Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa, to name just a few places, was more advanced than medicine in Europe. Some of these practices were the use of plants with salicylic acid for pain (as in aspirin), kaolin for diarrhea (as in Kaopectate), and extracts that were confirmed in the 20th century to kill Gram positive bacteria (2). Other plants used had anticancer properties, caused abortion and treated malaria — and these have been shown to be as effective as many modern-day Western treatments. Furthermore, Africans discovered ouabain, capsicum, physostigmine and reserpine. Medical procedures performed in ancient Africa before they were performed in Europe include vaccination, autopsy, limb traction and broken bone setting, bullet removal, brain surgery, skin grafting, filling of dental cavities, installation of false teeth, what is now known as Caesarean section, anesthesia and tissue cauterization (3). In addition, African cultures preformed surgeries under antiseptic conditions universally when this concept was only emerging in Europe (2). Navigation Most of us learn that Europeans were the first to sail to the Americas. However, several lines of evidence suggest that ancient Africans sailed to South America and Asia hundreds of years before Europeans. Thousands of miles of waterways across Africa were trade routes. Many ancient societies in Africa built a variety of boats, including small reed-based vessels, sailboats and grander structures with many cabins and even cooking facilities. The Mali and Songhai built boats 100 feet long and 13 feet wide that could carry up to 80 tons (2). Currents in the Atlantic Ocean flow from this part of West Africa to South America. Genetic evidence from plants and descriptions and art from societies inhabiting South America at the time suggest small numbers of West Africans sailed to the east coast of South America and remained there (2). Contemporary scientists have reconstructed these ancient vessels and their fishing gear and have completed the transatlantic voyage successfully. Around the same time as they were sailing to South America, the 13th century, these ancient peoples also sailed to China and back, carrying elephants as cargo (2)." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 11 17:00:26 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by MTK52983 on Sat Mar 11 09:08:54 2017. But how is it that the Europeans and Super-Saharan Africans managed to get the great civilizations first such that they were about to colonize Sub-Saharan Africa? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 17:03:06 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:53:22 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 17:03:16 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:53:32 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 17:03:26 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:53:42 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 17:03:34 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 16:53:46 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 17:04:04 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 16:18:04 2017. No it seems like thats what YOU'RE trying to say. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 17:05:07 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 17:03:06 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 17:05:16 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 17:03:16 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 17:05:27 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 17:03:26 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 17:05:38 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 17:03:34 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 17:14:04 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 13:12:46 2017. wow. so even you won't say what you really mean. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 17:24:38 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 11 17:00:26 2017. One key aspect is the climate.Areas of that are low in both latitude and altitude have miserably hot and humid weather that allows for lots of parasitical diseases to spread. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 17:35:36 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 17:04:04 2017. oh. so if you say:"The enslaved literally lost their culture, native tongue, not allowed to read or write, had to change their names,..." it's not you saying, "the africans were dumb."? i'm simply asking why were the africans unable to chase the slavers (of whatever race) off the continent? if they had all these civilizations? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 17:37:50 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 17:24:38 2017. puh lease. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 11 17:40:23 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 17:24:38 2017. I thought you'd say something about Judeo-Christian civilization. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 17:44:22 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 17:00:01 2017. i know all about that stuff. so what happened? it surely means absolutely nothing in the modern world.because none of it lasted. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 17:45:37 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 11:01:21 2017. al sharpton probably descends from those scum that sold their own people. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 17:49:25 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 14:08:45 2017. Really? Do present that evidence. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 11 17:57:20 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 17:00:01 2017. Thanks for posting. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 18:44:01 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 17:45:37 2017. zzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 18:58:41 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 17:37:50 2017. You really don't know anything, do you?You'd never be able to make it in the African lowlands. You're not tough enough. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Mar 11 19:15:25 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 17:45:37 2017. Lol |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 19:24:23 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 17:44:22 2017. Couple things. The slave trade at that time, colonization and reasons others have mentioned. You are thinking of Africa too much in monolithic terms. While there's African counties that aren't developed have corrupt gov'ts there's other's that are developed and doing pretty well that of course really isn't heard about. Like Nambia, Gabon, Botswana, South Africa, Seychelles etc not counting Northern African countries. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 11 19:36:58 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 19:24:23 2017. Thanks for posting here. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 11 19:45:48 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 19:24:23 2017. South Africa and Namibia are problematic because anyone can just claim that it’s the white man that successfully developed those countries. Which is actually true, although with black brawn. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 19:50:38 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 11 19:45:48 2017. While I agree the same can be said about each and every former colonized country on this planet. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 11 20:19:52 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 19:50:38 2017. Even Ireland and Australia? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 11 20:21:32 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 18:58:41 2017. Sounds like a reality show plot. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 20:27:38 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 11 20:19:52 2017. Well it's definitely true for Australia (which was actually where England sent its prisoners), Ireland it depends on whose colonizing you're talking about. Wasn't really developed bf being colonized by the Romans. Then again Romans developed much of Europe. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 20:30:15 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 11 20:21:32 2017. Yeah. It's a reality show some people have to live through for their entire lives. :(At least people like Bill Gates are putting a lot of money into fighting tropical diseases. For all that Microsoft annoys me, he's redeeming himself by doing something good with all his money. |
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Posted by MTK52983 on Sat Mar 11 20:53:02 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 11 17:00:26 2017. Access to water for trading helps at a time when there were few roads. Inland areas of Africa did not have access to trade routes. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 21:33:39 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 18:58:41 2017. and you'd never be able to make it in the arctic circle.but so what? who cares? has absolutely nothing to do with anything. it just "sounds" pertinint. once again, puh lease. btw, nobody in their right mind ever wants to move to africa. so why not try to figure out why? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 11 21:53:50 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 21:33:39 2017. They didn't move to Africa. They've always been there.And climate is extremely important to the development of civilization and its prerequisites. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 22:15:00 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 11 21:53:50 2017. what are you talking about. who's "they"? and, so, what...germans have "always" been there? peruvians? chinese? alaskans?afa the other point you brought up: so now you're saying that africa not only didn't develop any long-lasting civilization...but actually couldn't ever. due to the local climate. well then. hmmm... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 12 01:11:48 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 22:15:00 2017. No. Germans had to have moved there from somewhere else, at some point. Homo Sapiens evolved in Africa.My point is not that they didn't develop civilization (they obviously did), but rather that their civilization was somehow inferior in that it was less developed than the superior European civilization. |
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