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why are there no thriving "sub-saharan" black nations? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 02:59:24 2017 it's a legitimate question. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 11 03:19:14 2017, in response to why are there no thriving "sub-saharan" black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 02:59:24 2017. Evolution is probably part of it.Whites and Asians evolved by cooking starchy carbohydrates. Protestant Christianity and Judaism both seem to have sped things up too. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 11 06:09:23 2017, in response to why are there no thriving "sub-saharan" black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 02:59:24 2017. When most of the nations were European colonies, they did OK. Now that they're not in power anymore, they are doing not so ok. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Mar 11 06:43:09 2017, in response to why are there no thriving "sub-saharan" black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 02:59:24 2017. One problem is that their boundaries did not evolve along tribal, cultural and religious lines like those of Europe and Asia. The boundaries were made for the convenience of the colonial powers for the purpose of keeping the native population subjugated.A second problem is that any thriving black population was quickly quashed by the colonial powers. Nation states don't have time to take root under such circumstances. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 06:47:18 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 11 06:09:23 2017. When most of the nations were European colonies, they did OK.There are exceptions, but most African countries are considerably better off economically than they were as colonies. Zimbabwe might be an exception, but even there the colonized population was so incredibly destitute in Rhodesia that it's not clear that on average they're worse off now. |
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Posted by MTK52983 on Sat Mar 11 07:05:52 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Mar 11 06:43:09 2017. Add to that that the colonial powers would often support populations because they were perceived as more "European". Then when the colonizers left, there was a power vacuum and the repressed majority population, rather than setting up a legitimate Constitution to establish some form of democratically elected government, chose to destroy the minority populations. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 11 07:08:15 2017, in response to why are there no thriving "sub-saharan" black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 02:59:24 2017. They haven't been independent for all that long. Even Europe took a long time to thrive after the Roman empire crumbled |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 07:43:34 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 11 07:08:15 2017. And there are historians who contend that the north of England still suffers economically from William I's "harrying of the north." |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Mar 11 08:30:14 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by MTK52983 on Sat Mar 11 07:05:52 2017. The colonial powers fostered ethnic rivalries. This kept the populace from uniting against the colonial power. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 08:36:32 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Mar 11 06:43:09 2017. no, i'm talking about stable cultures, perhaps continent-wide nationhood, world class cities, development-friendly sanitary, power and transportation infrastructure...stuff like that. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 08:53:14 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 11 07:08:15 2017. say that for all cultures. still, the continent had plenty of pre-whitey invasion time. what, thousandz of years? pretty lame that such an old "civilization" was unable to defy the intrusions of the johnny-come-lately youngbloods from europe, asia, arabia...and their own corrupt "leaders".would have made quite the story...and probably africa would be in the proper position it should have occupied on the world stage. perhaps even leading it. but that ship has sailed. |
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Posted by MTK52983 on Sat Mar 11 09:08:54 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 08:36:32 2017. You need a stable government for that and as earlier posts have described, the colonizers did everything they could for indigenous populations to hate each other so they would not unite against colonial rule. We are still seeing the effects of that today. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 11 09:10:14 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 08:53:14 2017. So you're saying that they're unsuccessful because they are Negroes? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 09:30:16 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 11 09:10:14 2017. what? wait, what? i said nothing of the kind...but you sure were quick to say it.most of the world's (majority non-white) cultures do have that history. so why not sub-saharan africa? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 09:42:34 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by MTK52983 on Sat Mar 11 09:08:54 2017. ah hah. well, i don't understand that. seems like you're saying, roughly, the city slickers conned the country bumpkins.i mean...be honest. say what the real thoughts are behind stating: "...the colonizers did everything they could for indigenous populations to hate each other so they would not unite against colonial rule." c'mon. you know what you really mean. speak up. imagine you're talking about some eastern european country if that'll make it easier. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 11:01:21 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 08:53:14 2017. According to Al Sharpton, you may be wrong. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 11 11:01:53 2017, in response to why are there no thriving "sub-saharan" black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 02:59:24 2017. One word: Communism.The "third world" has been ruled by second-world ideology pretty much after WWII. Anything the west sends them, the "big men" dictators gobble up for themselves. And the press says nothing. China enslaves black African peoples and the press says nothing. |
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Posted by MTK52983 on Sat Mar 11 11:22:52 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 09:42:34 2017. I really mean exactly what I said. In order to prevent indigenous populations, who were often members of different tribes that were rivals of one another (so ordinarily would not have banded together), from joining together to get their independence from the colonizers, the colonizers kept them at war with each other by fostering these divisions. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 11:23:31 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 11 09:30:16 2017. Yes Africa does. There was the Mali Empire, Songhai empire, the Zimbabwe empire, the Zulu Nation in South Africa (at least militarily speaking) is what i can think of off the top of my head. There has been numerous great sub saharan African civilizations but they are not common knowledge since besides Egypt the only thing taught in schools about Africa is whites came in and took slaves. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 12:04:30 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 11:23:31 2017. See, and even there the story was wrong. Blacks sold blacks into slavery. The ones who ended up in the US probably faired out better than some that ended up elsewhere. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 12:33:08 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 12:04:30 2017. Yeah thats true rival factions did catch other Africans for payment to Europeans. However, the idea of slavery with Africans and Europeans were completely different. At the time in Western Africa slavery was result of war the losers became slaves. Slavery was more akin to indentured servitude, they had more freedom to do things, many times assimilated into the tribe that enslaved them and they weren't slaves for life. This began to change when the Muslims groups from the North came through. Slavery in the America's were basically chattel slavery, much much more brutal and inhumane. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 12:35:10 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 12:33:08 2017. So you contend that slavery under Muslims was more humane? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 12:42:14 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 12:35:10 2017. usa slavery was the worst ever |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 12:54:15 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 12:33:08 2017. Also, the trans-Atlantic slave trade was far more brutal than anything that happened to slaves within Africa.As were conditions on Caribbean plantations, which were far worse than conditions on American ones, on average. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 12:58:16 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 12:04:30 2017. that is bullshit |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 13:12:46 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 12:35:10 2017. Humane compared to what American slavery? All slavery obviously is bad but American slavery i'd say was probably the worst ever. Don't think there was another type of slavery as complete phyisically and culturally. The enslaved literally lost their culture, native tongue, not allowed to read or write, had to change their names, the whole idea of race was invented specifically for justification of enslaving blacks bc they were inferior. The roots of slavery exist till this day |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 13:13:31 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 12:58:16 2017. Caribbean plantations were even worse than American ones, on average. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 13:14:44 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 12:54:15 2017. So true the conditions on those slave ships were horrific. A miracle anybody survived the trip. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 13:16:19 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 13:12:46 2017. He is correct in the same sense that it is "more humane" to imprison someone for life than it is to torture them to death. I'm not sure where he wants to go with that distinction. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Mar 11 13:24:12 2017, in response to Re: Why are there no thriving ''Sub-Saharan'' African nations?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 11 11:01:53 2017. Wrong |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 13:25:29 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 12:42:14 2017. The way the Jewish slaves were treated by the ancient Egyptians. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 13:36:37 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 13:13:31 2017. not as bad as USA |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 13:37:53 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 13:12:46 2017. IAWTP |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 13:38:17 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Mar 11 13:14:44 2017. IAWTP |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 13:38:37 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 13:25:29 2017. nah |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 13:39:48 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 13:38:37 2017. BULLSHIT! You're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 13:42:02 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 13:39:48 2017. No, you're an idiot!bullshit back |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 13:46:12 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 13:25:29 2017. OK, let's take every word in the Bible as literally true.I still don't think you have any evidence that the brutality of Egyptian treatment of Israelite slaves matches the brutality of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 13:55:15 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 13:46:12 2017. IAWTP |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 14:04:42 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 13:36:37 2017. That's right Salaam. No matter how ignorant you are and how wrong your beliefs, stick to your guns. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 14:06:01 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 13:46:12 2017. Nor do you have any evidence to the contrary. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 14:07:50 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 13:38:37 2017. BULLSHIT! You're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 14:08:19 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 14:04:42 2017. NO ! YOU ARE A IDIOTand i will stick to my guns which are right and exact !!! LOL |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 14:08:45 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 11 14:06:01 2017. BULLSHIT |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 14:09:00 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 14:07:50 2017. BULLSHIT! You're an idiot! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 14:20:27 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 13:42:02 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 14:21:10 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 14:20:27 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 14:21:19 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 13:55:15 2017. You're an idiot! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 14:21:53 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 11 13:46:12 2017. BULLSHIT! You're an idiot! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 11 14:22:06 2017, in response to Re: why are there no thriving ''sub-saharan'' black nations?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 11 14:21:53 2017. No, you're an idiot! |
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