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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 15:55:28 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 14:56:25 2017.

And lets not forget the way New York State went overall.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 15:55:53 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 16 14:46:07 2017.

Yes, thanks to New York City metro, LA Metro, San Francisco, etc

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 16 15:56:02 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 15:36:13 2017.

But you need the individual vote to determine which electoral votes go to who.

You would have individual votes for the Representatives selecting the President.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 15:56:33 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 14:55:23 2017.

The population of NY and LA is collectively about 12 million. The population of the whole country is about 320 million.

Right, and we are only talking about 3 million.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 16 15:57:10 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 15:10:03 2017.

He knows it, he's just grandstanding to his voter base.

It's called lying. Every politician does a little of it. Trump does it to incredible excess.

For example, the murder rate is the highest in 45 years. That's really a damaging lie, because it pushes people toward the wrong kind of crime fighting tactics.


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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 15:57:57 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Feb 16 14:49:20 2017.

The left doesn't even realize it. And trump doesn't care about many of those "rightist" issues. Another reason even the right doesn't like him.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 16 15:58:50 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 15:55:53 2017.

Yes, Thanks to the PEOPLE of the USA.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 16 15:59:03 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 16 15:12:47 2017.

why not? that's democracy, one person, one vote.

Cue "We're not a democracy, we're a representative republic."

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 16 16:03:30 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 15:55:53 2017.

Yes, thanks to New York City metro, LA Metro, San Francisco, etc

And 48 percent of Florida, and 47 percent of Michigan, and 46 percent of North Carolina, and 43 percent of Texas, and...

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 16:05:29 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 16 15:07:42 2017.

Anyone attempting to compare the Nazi's and Hitler who killed millions of people, and tortured millions more to Trump, has no credibility.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 16:06:37 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 15:55:28 2017.

Mostly red.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 16:07:08 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 16 15:57:10 2017.

Sort of like comparing Hitler and the Nazis who killed millions of people to Trump as a scare tactic.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 16:07:41 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 16 15:56:02 2017.

Too complicated. Let's keep it the way it is.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 16 16:08:05 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 16:05:29 2017.

I am not comparing Trump to the Nazis after they killed millions.

I am comparing Trump to the Nazis BEFORE they killed millions.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 16:08:59 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 16:07:08 2017.

Well, I did nazi that comparison coming.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 16:12:10 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 16:06:37 2017.

Right, and all those upstate people lost to NYC's politics.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 16:12:50 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 16 16:03:30 2017.

And about a third of the Hispanic vote.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 16 16:20:31 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 16 15:43:59 2017.

He's still far from Hitler 1934. Under Hitler 1934, a large number of Jews had already been fired from their jobs at government direction. You don't hear of many former German scientists who came to the US in 1938. They mostly came in 1934.


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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 16 16:35:58 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 16:12:10 2017.

Right, and all those upstate people lost to NYC's politics.

You mean slightly more than half of those upstate people lost to NYC and the other slightly less than half of those other upstate people. Take NYC, Nassau, Suffolk, and Westchester out and Trump wins New York 51 percent to 49 percent.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 16:42:21 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 15:54:30 2017.

Huffington Post is not a legitimate organ of "the left." It's clickbait. Occasionally they have good articles.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 16:43:30 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 16:07:41 2017.

LOL! Do you sincerely believe that explaining "Congress elects the President" is harder than explaining the crazy Electoral College?

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 16:45:11 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 16 16:20:31 2017.

Nobody is legitimate claiming that he is using Hitler's whole playbook. The problem is that the right wing seems to believe that saying that he's using some of Hitler's tactics means that he must be using all of them and therefore anyone claiming the comparison is wrong. I'm sure that fallacy has a name.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 16 16:47:19 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 16 16:20:31 2017.

I am not saying it is exactly the same, but the parallels are still disturbing.

It is also quite early in 2017.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 16:47:21 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 16 15:55:00 2017.

The Senate elections are not especially representative though because only 34 states had them. And those states are largely random.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 16:50:20 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 16:43:30 2017.

I meant "too complicated" as a figure of speech.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 16:53:35 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 16:50:20 2017.

That doesn't make any sense.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 16 17:10:07 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 14:13:58 2017.

STUPID analogy, typical right-winger who checked his brains to FOX Noise and demagogues like Trump.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 16 17:11:11 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 14:15:37 2017.

Mine is 1992, $13K, cash down.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 16 17:13:21 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 14:01:26 2017.

Unlikely, given how many businesses he has run into the ground, into bankruptcy, plus his FAKE university, and never had to answer to so much as a corporate board.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 16 17:14:39 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 14:13:09 2017.

Yes it does.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 16 17:15:57 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 15:42:32 2017.

Yes.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 16 17:17:04 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 16 16:08:05 2017.

So was I.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 16 17:21:49 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 15:57:57 2017.

He has 90% approval with Republicans.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Feb 16 17:37:38 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 16 17:21:49 2017.

The right tolerate's him bc they really have no choice. Their constituents brought what Trump was selling. Now the right grin bear Trump's lunacy.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 16 17:43:31 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Feb 16 17:37:38 2017.

Read the iron!

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 16 17:52:08 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 15:37:00 2017.

Now who's being elitist?

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 16 17:53:54 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 14:36:18 2017.

The alt right is white nationalists


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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Feb 16 18:01:31 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 16 17:43:31 2017.

If you don't have anything to say concerning the actual content of my post keep it to yourself. Please and Thank You.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 16 18:05:04 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Feb 16 14:43:52 2017.

The right does not want LGBT people to express there love and commitment to each other by getting married in the civil context. Nobody reasonable is forcing religious organizations to sanctify marriages religiously, but we are talking about civil marriage. Heterosexual couples can be married by Judges, Clerks, etc. so why not LGBT couples?

Really?

Then why did I not vote against gay marriage amendment in Florida back in 2008? I support civil marriage.

The problem with LGBTQQI movement is the radical element like those who sued e-Harmony over nothing.

And I'll bet most gays would like to force churches to marry them or lose tax exempt status.




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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 16 18:35:11 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 13:56:36 2017.

He wants Roe vs Wade overturned.

Since Obama deported more people than Bush-43, you don't know what you're talking about with leftists and illegals.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 16 18:48:01 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 16 13:56:36 2017.

Trump doesn't care about abortion,

He should care about increasing it in low-income communities.

Especially in the south where abortion rates are lower than places like NYC.

The reason NYC crime dropped while places like New Orleans and Atlanta have spun out of control is because who isn't aborting their offspring in the south. So fuck the GOP for fighting for the lives of those who take it.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 16 18:50:28 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 16 18:48:01 2017.

Chicago and Baltimore crime is also out of control. Abortions are not that hard there. Race relations and Gangs are the problem.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 16 19:06:49 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 14:53:22 2017.

it could backfire.

Many people in places like NY and MA feel their vote does not count and stay home. Eliminating the Electoral could actually make such people come out again.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 20:27:10 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 16 19:06:49 2017.

How is that backfiring? If more people come out to vote then that's good!

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 16 20:55:31 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 20:27:10 2017.

Because I figure many Republicans in the northeast feel their vote does not count because Democrats in places like MA and NY win by such decisive margins. I've heard people say this.

On my end I don't give a fuck. The asshole Republicans are actually an obstacle to abortions in the south and that's why the south is now so violent and NYC sees crime rates plunging.

Let's also hope more and more women in South and Central America adopt Western attitudes and decide not to make babies.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 16 21:11:05 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 16:45:11 2017.

Trump is just using tricks from Tyrant Playbook 101 which is older than 1934. Hitler gets the credit because he was first on the big screen doing it.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 16 21:21:03 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 14:13:09 2017.

The whole "party of the KKK" think is an obsolete talking point. The KKK endorsed Donald Trump, as did the rest of Stormfront. David Duke waxes admiringly on Donald Trump. He is the KKK anointed President.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 16 21:27:25 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 16 20:55:31 2017.

The ------- Republicans are actually an obstacle to abortions in the south

Stop being to the left on Irish Atheists on this matter.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 16 21:28:44 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 16 11:51:09 2017.

yeesh. get a grip, lysistrata.

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Re: President Mike Pence

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 16 21:29:29 2017, in response to Re: President Mike Pence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 16 13:27:49 2017.

KKK is basically extinct.

It's something kept alive by the media to use as a shaming tactic. Like Nazis and Hitler.

You could go to a #blm rally and 90% of the people there could not tell you what country Auschwitz was in or what country Hilter was from.

Hitler. KKK. Nazi. It's just name-calling by the people who actually admire them and want to implement their tactics against people who disagree with them today.

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