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Posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 15:19:35 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 13:38:10 2017. Abolition of private property, religion and family??? Please explain... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 15:19:55 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 15:06:38 2017. Yeah, the 80 year old election board worker checks for you. LMAO. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 15:20:34 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jan 17 15:11:39 2017. I agree there are many different ways to provide health insurance coverage. Let's hear what they're thinking, before insurance companies leave the business. Or at least let's hear a promised date when an outline will be delivered, to keep the insurance companies reassured that something is going on. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 15:21:00 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by R30A on Tue Jan 17 15:02:18 2017. He can't name one...lol |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 15:21:31 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 15:19:35 2017. Just consider whom you are responding to. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 17 15:22:22 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 15:04:36 2017. You mean like they're walking away from the Obamacare market? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 17 15:22:30 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by R30A on Tue Jan 17 12:37:32 2017. Here is MY personal take on Obamacare. I recently retired, after working for 27 years. I had, what the BHO insisted on calling "Cadillac" healthcare coverage. When I first started out, I had ZERO co-pays for medical,dental, and prescriptions. Then, over the years, It went from 5 dollars, to 10 dollars, to $15 co-pays. $30 if there was a test involved. Then, the ACA was passed, and in June, the rates changed to $30 co-pays, $50 for a test or to go to an urgent care facility, and $100 for the ER! Are the illegal aliens and poor paying for the ER? I don't think so! My "union" takes care of the prescription parts. My scripts used to mostly be ZERO co-pay to a few bucks. NOW they are about $10-30 a script, and you MUST used the generic brand. And the reason for all of my increases, as told to me personally by doctors and Pharmacists is Obamacare! Basically I'M (the working man) paying more to support this mess so I can carry those who cannot afford it. So, in the spirit of sounding selfish, REPEAL it, and make it the way it was! And IDGAF if this sounds ignorant or selfish, so be it! |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 15:24:53 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 15:21:31 2017. True next you know it's going to be the left advocates the mass killings of puppies. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 17 15:25:03 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 12:08:56 2017. Students on university campuses across the country routinely disrupt speaking appearances by anyone they disagree with, yet they insist on free speech for people espousing points of view they do agree with. That is not angry and reactionary? |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 15:28:14 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 15:04:36 2017. Wait and see isn't a good answer for those with pre existing conditions who wouldn't be covered if it wasn't for Obamacare. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 17 15:32:52 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by R30A on Tue Jan 17 12:37:32 2017. "Yes, the left obviously does not tolerate foreign powers interfering with our elections."(1) Still no proof that anything Russia might have done or not done had anything to do with Hillary blowing what should have been an easy win. You just can't handle that she lost. "Yes, the left obviously does not tolerate attempts to subjugate the majority." Get it straight. The way the US election process is set up, the majority does NOT always rule. You may hate that Hillary won the popular vote but lost the election but that is the law. If you don't like the law, get it changed. But Trump was elected LEGALLY. Deal with it. "Yes, the left obviously does not tolerate attempts to eliminate healthcare." Obama promised everyone that if they liked their current plan, they could keep their current plan. So many plans then cancelled out after ObamaCare was shoved down people's throats by Obama and his henchmen Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid that Obama must have been either (a) lying when he said that or (b) woefully ignorant of the consequences of ObamaCare. The left wants to keep ObamaCare not for the good of the country but because Obama put it in place. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 15:34:58 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 17 15:22:22 2017. If they walk away from Obamacare before its repeal is effective, millions of people could lose their insurance. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 15:35:20 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 12:28:11 2017. Oh please the right was just as pissed when Obama won. Stop it. You've had the right's position in congress of veto everything with Obama's name on it, the only time in history a politician actually interupt the president in the middle of his sppeech to yell at him, Fox News and the right media's constant attacking of Obama constantly etc etc. Stop with Right is soooo much better...smh |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 17 15:37:37 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 15:06:38 2017. I have been voting in this city since 1984. NEVER has one of the old ladies checked my signature. And yes, I know that about if someone else comes in after the signature. I meant that if I was dead or moved away, and I was still on file, someone else can just sign for me and vote. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 15:38:25 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 17 15:22:30 2017. REPEAL it, and make it the way it was! And IDGAF if this sounds ignorant or selfish, so be it!Well, it is a tad on the selfish side. You want everything back the way it was, with the cost of 20 million people losing their insurance. Besides, it can't go back the way it was. No Republican is going to vote for repealing the pre-existing condition clause in Obamacare. And that clause is very expensive, as you are finding out. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 17 15:39:50 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 17 15:25:03 2017. JUST like they did to Milo Whatshisgreekname! |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jan 17 16:00:16 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 17 15:32:52 2017. Still no proof that anything Russia might have done or not done had anything to do with Hillary blowing what should have been an easy win. You just can't handle that she lost.Why is Trump cozying up to Putin? Should we not be concerned about his blatant conflicts of interest? Why is Russian hacking of our political parties something that we should overlook? Get it straight. The way the US election process is set up, the majority does NOT always rule. You may hate that Hillary won the popular vote but lost the election but that is the law. If you don't like the law, get it changed. But Trump was elected LEGALLY. Deal with it. Nobody is saying it is illegal with regards to a presidential election. It arguably is with regards to house elections. Both do need to be radically changed if we wish for our government to be anything resembling a representative democracy in anything but name. Obama promised everyone that if they liked their current plan, they could keep their current plan. So many plans then cancelled out after ObamaCare was shoved down people's throats by Obama and his henchmen Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid that Obama must have been either (a) lying when he said that or (b) woefully ignorant of the consequences of ObamaCare. The left wants to keep ObamaCare not for the good of the country but because Obama put it in place. I think most of us support the ACA because it is the least radical way to expand healthcare. I don't claim it does not have issues. I just support ANY change that is a change in the positive direction. Could it have gone a lot further? YES! and it should have! Was it stupid for Obama to say what he did? YES. I think his main mistake was assuming that people with the woefully inadequate plans that existed could have mislead themselves into thinking they actually had healthcare. So... What is your plan? How do you want to provide healthcare to all? What plan do you have that actually provides for healthcare for all? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 16:22:15 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 17 15:39:50 2017. And Yiannopoulos is gay, to boot. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 17 16:55:30 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 16:22:15 2017. Yep! I'm surprised they did that to him. AND he likes black men to boot! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 17 17:01:03 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 16:22:15 2017. sometimes I think he's a feminist infiltrator.I don't trust him. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jan 17 17:57:08 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 12:27:40 2017. I wonder if the DNC can get their $500,000.00 for that prop glass ceiling that hillary was supposed to shatter after she was declared the winner. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 17 18:11:38 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 12:28:11 2017. The RIGHT are the ones who want to ban all Muslims immigrants, and deport all 14 million undocumented Latinos. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 18:20:14 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 17 18:11:38 2017. The RIGHT are the ones who want to ban all Muslims immigrantsNobody said that. Besides, the big influx of late has been of "refugees", not immigrants. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 17 18:55:26 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 14:48:24 2017. Which government has done that? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 17 19:00:57 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 18:20:14 2017. Trump did. Now he's backing off. Get him drunk, and he'll say it again. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 17 19:26:39 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 17 15:22:30 2017. Besides, as you pointed out, the copays started, what, a few years before the ACA was passed. So you can't blame it all on the ACA. As for going back to the way it was, yeah, I'd like it back to 1980, but that ain't gonna happen. The ACA is a Band-Aid on an arterial wound, but the alternative before was no Band-Aid at all. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 20:41:38 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 15:24:53 2017. Read up on PETA lately? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 20:44:30 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 20:41:38 2017. Yes; they are definitely for that. And especially for stealing people's puppies and killing them.Not these guys, FTR:  |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 20:54:46 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by R30A on Tue Jan 17 16:00:16 2017. 1. W/r/t the DNC emails: water is still wet, even if Russian hackers are the ones breaking the news. Or as a lot of people love to say "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear". If the DNC didn't act like assholes the emails wouldn't have been a thing. Second, the hacking wasn't some elaborate government scheme using sophisticated hardware. It was some dude probably halfway through his nightly bottle of vodka who sent a generic phishing scam to both conventions, RNC included. The RNC one failed. I would say it's because the RNC is smarter than the DNC but it's more likely that email is too new a technology for them, and all of their correspondence is through dictated letters transferred via courier.2. For the other things, point me to proof (not proff) they intervened, not some vague quotes from TLAs that quite frankly are even more nebulous than the FBI's second round of allegations against Hillary. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 20:56:54 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 20:44:30 2017. *sniff* I love that cause... due to a busy day at work all I ate today was bacon and chicken strips. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 21:01:53 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 17 15:37:37 2017. I meant that if I was dead or moved away, and I was still on file, someone else can just sign for me and vote.Wow when you put it that way it's trivially easy. "Hey man check out my sweet new digs!" "Oh you moved, cool! Did you get everything straightened out, mail forwarded, reregister to vote, etc?" "Nah didn't bother with the voting thing." "Yeah who cares, thanks Mike Roch of district 12, I'm going to buy you a few rounds on Election day to celebrate your move!" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 21:11:31 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 17 14:50:42 2017. Tax exemption for religion should be eliminated. Too bad nobody is actually seriously advocating it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 21:13:57 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 17 15:02:39 2017. If ID were universal, free and reasonably easy to obtain for everyone, then I would be 100% in favor of voter ID, despite it being a solution in search of a problem. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 21:17:20 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 21:11:31 2017. John Oliver made a good start on getting left buy-in:You can get alt-right buy-in reminding them that Mosques and Baptist churches are tax-free too... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 21:17:20 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 21:01:53 2017. You're ignoring the fact that even if it's unlikely that the perpetrator is caught, the personal benefit is minuscule and the potential loss from being caught is extreme. No one would bother. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 21:20:10 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 17 15:22:30 2017. To add to what the others have said in response, it was in the 1980s that Congress made it mandatory for emergency rooms to treat all comers, regardless of their ability to pay. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 21:21:26 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 17 15:25:03 2017. That is not an issue of free speech, that is an issue of academic freedom, which is a private matter. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 21:40:56 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 17 19:26:39 2017. The ACA is a Band-Aid on an arterial wound, but the alternative before was no Band-Aid at allFalse analogy. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 21:58:16 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 21:13:57 2017. That's relatively easy to solve, just make the DMV's (or equivalent) non-driver IDs free for those over 18 in states with voter ID laws. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jan 17 22:26:25 2017, in response to Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 17 11:27:09 2017. Actually the best thing that came out of the election is that Hillary Clinton lost. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jan 17 22:31:19 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jan 17 22:26:25 2017. Precisely |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 22:36:09 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 20:41:38 2017. They advocate for killing animals now? Talk about a reversal... |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 22:39:23 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 17 15:37:37 2017. Everytime I've voted (NYC) I've had to show my ID. Why is an additional voter ID needed besided of course to disenfranchise ppl who should be eligible to vote already? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jan 17 22:55:50 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 22:39:23 2017. What ID have you been required to show? I sign a ledger and they compare my signature with last years signature and thatse it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 23:02:09 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 21:58:16 2017. Not enough. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 23:02:36 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 22:39:23 2017. I've never had to show ID to vote. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 23:22:15 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 17 22:36:09 2017. They don't advocate for it, they directly kill them.Peta Kills Puppies, Kittens It's a Huffington Post article but that's the easiest article my lazy ass could find... it has links to the raw sources for it if you doubt the legitimacy. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 17 23:50:51 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 14:48:24 2017. There is only one reason for the government to take something over and that is to control it.Governments are answerable to some degree to their citizens. Corporations are not answerable to anyone. In 2015/2016 the 10 largest corporations made more money than the revenues of 180 countries combined. With concentration like that, it's the corporations that have taken control and the corporations that one should beware of. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 17 23:56:37 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 17 23:22:15 2017. How can lefties doubt the Huffington Puffington Post? |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Wed Jan 18 00:15:38 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jan 17 22:55:50 2017. Hmmm well since I always have problems with my voting that probably explains me having to show ID. For example this yr they have me down as 90 something yrs old so I had to show them ID as proof I wasn't and put in a request (every yr it's something) |
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