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I need TPP for my economy |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 19:56:23 2016 Does anyone else here besides me support free trade agreements? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 20:07:02 2016, in response to I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 19:56:23 2016. I definitely do.However, I'd like politicians and economists to think more about how to make trade freer while also helping to reduce the bad side effects. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 21:25:47 2016, in response to I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 19:56:23 2016. Shiite, yeah! Trade is good, so long as its fair. We need TPP, so long as we can tweak it should we need to. Same with NAFTA.In addition, we need a punishing and onerous tax scheme that robs corporations of profitability in closing domestic manufacturing and shippng those jobs out of the country. That's something no republican has thought of. At the same time, we seriously need to improve our infrastructure, from roads and bridges to inernet connectivity so the jobs of the future can be done anywhere, and providing support so manufacturing can flourish.....supply lines that can functionas reliably as they do in the Chinese manufacturing centers. Without answering modern manyfacturings needs, we deserve closed fcatories. Get with it. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 21:59:00 2016, in response to I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 19:56:23 2016. I'd prefer a Schengen style freedom of movement agreement between US, Canada, and the Carribean... maybe Mexico once they get the cartels in order. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 22:16:05 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 21:59:00 2016. No you wouldn't.Not even "European citizens" want it anymore. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 22:20:52 2016, in response to I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 19:56:23 2016. What do you mean by "free trade agreements"?Here's an interesting quotation. Now that was not written by any US politician. Guess who it was? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:22:19 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 21:25:47 2016. Shiite, yeahJihadist post! :-) 2. I disagree 3. I agree |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:22:51 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 21:59:00 2016. I like that too. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jul 27 23:10:16 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 21:59:00 2016. CanadaI suspect the Canadians would like the idea, but they're fearful of US guns trickling across the border. and the Carribean If that happened, you'd see the black population of the US increase by roughly 12 million people as every island would empty itself if visa free travel was permitted. Even the beggars would find a way to pay for one way tickets. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 23:25:38 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jul 27 23:10:16 2016. The canadians (and Americans for that matter) would have access to the Caribbean as well - the visa free movement would (hopefully!) allow the less affluent regions an opportunity for investment. Something like "French Canadians, retire to Haiti! New roads, condos and hospitals going up now!" |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jul 27 23:29:29 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 23:25:38 2016. Something like "French Canadians, retire to Haiti! New roads, condos and hospitals going up now!"They could do that now, except, well, they go to the Dominican Republic or Costa Rica or Panama, or some other well run crypto Anglo-banking state in the islands. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 23:54:47 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 22:20:52 2016. Why do you idolize Marx so much? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 28 00:11:42 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 23:54:47 2016. Because he never left the 1950's, and "commie" was the only word that meant anything in politics. I grew up in those times and John Birchers were everywhere spreading the "Better dead than red" plague.
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 00:28:12 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 21:59:00 2016. Used to be like that. Then bush came along. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:29:48 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 00:28:12 2016. No. It was never like that Schengen makes the border between European countries just like the borders between US states. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 00:40:41 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:29:48 2016. Customs used to be something the average person just breezed through. When in any foreign country you need to have money enough not to be staring on the streets. Never found that line of thinking to be anything more heinous than common sense. That's all I've ever been asked by a customs agent. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:49:37 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 00:40:41 2016. Why don't you ever admit to being wrong? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 07:16:01 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:49:37 2016. Because she's likely insane. Insane in the membrane. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 07:16:16 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:29:48 2016. Good post. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 07:16:31 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 00:28:12 2016. No. You are completely wrong. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 28 08:30:21 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 00:40:41 2016. Customs used to be something the average person just breezed through.Pre-Bush, I usually breezed through but twice I was detained for a few minutes. Post-Bush, no different. Pre-Bush, my sister's mother-in-law, a naturalized Canadian citizen who had entered the US hundreds of times, was denied entry because of insufficient proof of citizenship. It was pretty random already pre-Bush. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 08:43:15 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:22:19 2016. On #2, we diaagree. Yet the practice cntinues. Only stopping them through taxation would do it. Think of this...that money could provide free education retraining and a stipend for living through that readjustment time at little or no further expense to the people as a whole. That should be the price for abbrogating the responsibility one takes on when employing others. The sense of responsibility has long been gone from the workplace. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 08:50:57 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:49:37 2016. you'd find a lot less resistance from everyone here to that when you stop demanding it. Nobody died and made you moderator, judge and jury or God. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 09:27:53 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 08:43:15 2016. It's not that I don't agree with your cure, it's that I don't agree it should be cured. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 09:29:18 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 08:50:57 2016. It has nothing to do with being moderator. It has to do with your credibility. If you ever admitted to being wrong when you are actually wrong, your posts would be taken more seriously. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 09:31:10 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 08:50:57 2016. Just to clarify, that wasn't just directed at you, but all of those here that have shown obession with "wrong". At the same time, many of them are, and often. Many do not read or comprehend what's written, and many go off simply on the basis of who posted what. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 09:32:22 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 09:27:53 2016. Needs to be, even if only short term, to stop the practice. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 09:34:59 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 09:29:18 2016. It has everything to do with it being demanded. This is NOT that serious a place. Aside from the trump nuclear war thing, which is as serious as it gets (and anyone that was alive during the Cuban Missile crisis can attest to how serious....NYC was in absolute panic then) there is little serious and lot of exaggeration here. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 09:36:47 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 09:32:22 2016. The practice doesn't need to be stopped. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 09:39:25 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 09:34:59 2016. We discuss serious topics here and those serious topics should be treated with appropriate seriousness. Adding humor doesn't detract from the seriousness, but lack of accountability does. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 28 09:50:36 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 09:36:47 2016. The practice shouldn't be encouraged by loopholes in the tax code, though. If a country does billions in business in the US, it should be taxed by the US (not punitively), even if its headquarters are in Ireland. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 09:53:58 2016, in response to I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 19:56:23 2016. I fully and wholeheartedly support the TPP, the still-in-the-works TTIP plus NAFTA.TPP is the BEST trade agreement this country has ever negotiated. It's simply outstanding. I don't support every free trade agreement (I oppose CAFTA) but I completely support these. The ignorant fools who don't, are essentially advocating AMERIXIT on steroids. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 10:05:13 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 28 09:50:36 2016. However, I am extreme enough that I believe the income tax on corporate profits should be abolished. That "solves" that problem. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 10:15:21 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 09:36:47 2016. Yes it does. One of the biggest problems this nation has is lack of infrastructure. Look back at WW2. even with a massive, and at the time expanding thanks to lend-lease, manufacturing base we had a difficult time producing all that was needed to fight that war.Now we buy tanks from the freekin Chinese. What will happen if, let's say, a presdient trump starts military action (in the conventional sense) against them. We'll need tanks. We won't be able to buy them. Get it? Even though it's private sector, and there isn't anything wrong with that, we need a robust manufacturing base HERE because we just may need those assembly lines to crank out materiel some day. It's happened before. It's far easier to retool an existing plant for another related purpose than it is to build from scratch. And much faster. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 28 10:17:58 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 10:05:13 2016. Just remember that even an overall neutral disruption causes economic harm. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 10:30:15 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 08:43:15 2016. That should be the price for abbrogating the responsibility one takes on when employing others.Businesses are not in loco parentis over their employees. Other than following the law, their only responsibility is towards their shareholders. I would at most support the elimination of existing tax incentives for companies who outsource a substantial part of their workforce overseas since that's just perverse. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 10:33:27 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 10:15:21 2016. Now we buy tanks from the freekin Chinese.Citation needed. It's far easier to retool an existing plant for another related purpose than it is to build from scratch. And much faster. So find an angel investor and do it. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jul 28 12:35:32 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 28 08:30:21 2016. OWN3D!!!! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 13:01:34 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 10:30:15 2016. IAWTP.Although I would add that "following the law" could imply that there should be new laws that they'd have to abide by. I would say that the only laws regulating business, besides appropriate taxes, should be those that ensure the safety of workers and that prevent businesses from engaging in outright harm and exploitation of other people.* *Corporations are people in this sense. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 13:10:31 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 28 10:15:21 2016. The US buying Chinese tanks sounds like bullshit.The Army actually complains that Congress makes them buy more Abrams tanks than they need. If they have more American-made tanks than they need, why the fuck are they importing tanks? Assuming, arguendo, that the United States defense industry is incapable of meeting the United States' defense needs: The government proposes contracts that have mandatory American manufacture clauses and there are no companies capable of bidding, then the federal government can simply build and subsidize the appropriate factories outright. Even that is unlikely, as if it were really that hard to find a qualified contractor, the price of the proposal would go up until investors are willing to make the appropriate investments. Proposed weapons and related systems are planned YEARS in advance. If Congress wouldn't want to invest in defense to such an extent, then well, what's the problem? The people would have spoken. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 18:28:21 2016, in response to Re: I need TPP for my economy, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 28 08:30:21 2016. Bump |
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