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Posted by Dan on Sun Jul 24 12:22:22 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 10:27:03 2016. I don't know if the operator of the diner is the owner of the property. But I feel that the $15/hr min wage will cause more small restaurants to close. Like I said paying someone $31200/year to hand out pastries or pizza slices is not going to cause more places to close up for good. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Jul 24 12:55:35 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Dan on Sun Jul 24 12:22:22 2016. Correction due to my lousy typing: I said paying someone $31200/year to hand out pastries or pizza slices IS going to cause more places to close up for good. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 24 14:24:22 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 24 09:04:57 2016. Yes. That it was an appeal to pity. I could be 100% in agreement with him about the minimum wage and his argument would still be an appeal to pity. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 14:28:44 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 24 14:24:22 2016. But it isn't only an appeal to pity. Therefore it's not necessarily a fallacy. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 24 14:32:11 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 14:28:44 2016. Yes, it is. |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Jul 24 15:12:34 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 21:08:39 2016. To the contrary - those costs can go up with just general inflation. In fact the cost of food supplies goes up somewhat often (just look at your supermarket). |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 15:14:39 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Allan on Sun Jul 24 15:12:34 2016. The whole point of a bunch of posters here, and supposedly the diner owner, is that it's the rise in the minimum wage that is killing this diner.Everything you and everyone else has posted is directly contradicting that original hypothesis. That's my point. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jul 24 15:16:32 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Dan on Sat Jul 23 15:54:49 2016. Absolutely correct. They exist to provide inexpensive labor where costlier labor would be unnecessary. They exist so people can learn skills that will enable employees to understand and thrive in the workforce. In the fast food industry, each minimum wage employee accounts for about $3000 of profit each year. The industry estimates that $15/hr will result in a $3000 per employee loss per year. |
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Posted by priya12 on Sun Jul 24 15:33:29 2016, in response to [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 23 10:20:51 2016. Went there many times in the late 70's and into the 80's. Haven't been back there in around 25 years. Still have good memories of the old neighborhood. Movie date night at the Marboro Theater and then ice cream at Del Rio.... Times sure do change. I think the Marboro is gone too. |
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Posted by priya12 on Sun Jul 24 15:55:41 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sat Jul 23 21:46:01 2016. Del Rio is west of the Culver Line. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 24 16:03:17 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 24 07:45:34 2016. Good to hear. Like you said, the real problem is that most people don't do diners anymore other than us older folks. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 24 16:15:13 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 10:27:03 2016. I think that every conservative here worth their salt should march into their boss' office tomorrow and demand a pay cut in solidarity with DelRio. Yeah, that'll happen. :) |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Jul 24 18:29:55 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 24 16:03:17 2016. Diners are alive and well here in NJ and are popular as ever, or at least they seem to be. In many cases, diners have evolved to become more "bistro" like, offering a more diverse menu and liquor licenses, as well as swanky decor, but they are still diners at heart. And they are patronized by people of all ages.Off the top of my head, I can name the Suburban Diner in Paramus; Candlewyck Diner in East Rutherford; and the Nevada Diner in Bloomfield that have been remodeled and expanded, offering outdoor seating and an upgraded menu. In addition, the Chit Chat Diner in Hackensack replaced the Triboro Diner; and the State Street Grill in Bloomfield replaced Willie's Diner (that was several years ago). I also heard from a waitress at the River Edge Diner that that one will also be undergoing a refurbishment in the near future. Oh, and then there's the Gotham City Diner and Subway Station in Fair Lawn... (transit-related decor, and lots of it). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 24 18:37:40 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Jul 24 18:29:55 2016. Yep. I'm going by the more classic diners out on the various old interstates that are now bypassed by superhighways and all sorts of fast food joints. Prior to those too, you often had to wait for a seat. Now most of the joints I'm talking about are half empty at best. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 18:39:20 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Jul 24 18:29:55 2016. When we go upstate on the Taconic Parkway we often stop at the Taghkanic Diner at the Route 82 intersection, which I first went to in 1955. It's hardly changed. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jul 24 18:46:21 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Jul 24 18:29:55 2016. We has a place by me, "Bistro-24", before if was different names, owners, types of diner food.Bistro is good. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jul 24 19:08:45 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 23 15:42:06 2016. Bullshit. Those jobs aren't meant to support families. Go to school and get a degree or learn a trade. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jul 24 19:10:43 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 15:55:55 2016. Maybe it's the changes face of Brooklyn itself that has to do with it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 24 19:36:25 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jul 24 19:08:45 2016. Excellent post |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Jul 24 19:42:21 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 15:14:39 2016. That is because the original story leaves out the facts and blames it all on the $15 minimum wage. |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Jul 24 19:43:44 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 24 09:43:01 2016. "Because as we all know, the labor costs of McDonald's minimum wage workers constitute 100% of McDonald's expenses.Everything else is free. " Where ever did you get that idea? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 24 19:50:09 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Allan on Sun Jul 24 19:43:44 2016. Republican math? :) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Jul 24 20:27:11 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by priya12 on Sun Jul 24 15:55:41 2016. Del Rio is west of the Culver Line.Sorry, I meant West End. |
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Posted by priya12 on Sun Jul 24 20:47:52 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Jul 24 20:27:11 2016. I just realized you called it Diarrheo. Did it really get that bad? It was one of the best back in the early 80's! |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jul 24 20:54:14 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jul 24 19:08:45 2016. Precisely |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 20:55:47 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jul 24 19:08:45 2016. People have forgotten about Manhattan once having been a manufacturing center. That was destroyed after WWII by the left-wing mayors. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 20:58:13 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 20:55:47 2016. Yep. Market forces had nothing to do with it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 24 21:10:25 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 20:58:13 2016. Or all those new cars and trucks blocking the streets so it would take half the day just to get out of the city with the goods. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Jul 24 23:00:40 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 24 19:36:25 2016. I agree! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Jul 24 23:01:22 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jul 24 19:08:45 2016. Pwn3d |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jul 24 23:46:01 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jul 24 19:08:45 2016. +1And while the current minimum doesn't really support a single person, there's this thing called roommates, where a bunch of people cohabitate in order to bring their individual costs down. Or, move to a cheaper city. There's lots of them. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 25 00:51:57 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jul 24 23:46:01 2016. Or, move to a cheaper city. There's lots of themHundreds of miles away, maybe. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jul 25 01:28:08 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jul 24 23:46:01 2016. The bad thing is that the ones fighting for fast food workers are telling them that it's okay to settle into this menial job. If they really wanted to advocate for them they would kick them in the ass and tell them to learn to type. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 25 01:32:07 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jul 25 01:28:08 2016. The bad thing is that the ones fighting for fast food workers are telling them that it's okay to settle into this menial jobThat would be the Services Employees International Union (SEIU) doing that. You know, the ACORN union. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 25 01:43:44 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jul 25 01:28:08 2016. So, straight from the fry grill to the executive office? What modern, executive experience does that create other than a more expensive fry grill? Or "customer service?" |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jul 25 02:01:03 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 25 01:43:44 2016. Did I say that?All I'm saying is that those jobs were meant for high school and college kids for some spending money and teach some responsibility not to make a career path. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 25 02:16:22 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jul 25 02:01:03 2016. Didn't say you did. However, the "service economy" created over the past 40 years shipped many of those better jobs overseas. Check out who's working in many of these places. You'll find 30 and 40 year olds. A bachelor's degree these days is worth about as much as a high school dropout 30 years ago. And those higher paid union jobs are largely gone. About the only way to make a real living these days is in the trades, and few are motivated to go there owing to the "college stigma".And so, many people actually DO depend on these former "entry level" jobs because for too many, that's as good as it gets. Now while I'll agree with you on the rest, maybe we should just put these folks on the dole instead of paying them a living wage. But somehow I suspect that won't be acceptable either. :) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 25 02:53:52 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 25 00:51:57 2016. Yup, and thanks to Megabus and Chinatown buses, you can cover that distance for around $20. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 25 04:11:27 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jul 24 23:46:01 2016. there's this thing called roommates, where a bunch of people cohabitate in order to bring their individual costs down.We already tried that one  |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 25 04:17:33 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jul 25 02:01:03 2016. All I'm saying is that those jobs were meant for high school and college kidsThose jobs exist so that the companies can return profits to shareholders. Just like any other job. Private enterprise doesn't create charity jobs meant for certain groups just for the hell of it. When they can't fill them, wages rise. If their profit margin is so small that they can't absorb wage increases, they're doing it wrong. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 25 06:17:42 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 24 18:37:40 2016. You mean this classic type ? 
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jul 25 06:47:51 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 25 06:17:42 2016. Is that a through the wall A/C unit? One unit for the entire diner? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 25 10:50:07 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 25 06:17:42 2016. That's the classic style. :) |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 25 11:02:03 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 24 19:50:09 2016. Yes - Trumponomics |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 25 11:10:09 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jul 25 06:47:51 2016. Is that a through the wall A/C unit? One unit for the entire diner?Unless their is another unit out of sight on the other end. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 25 11:21:45 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 25 10:50:07 2016. That's the classic style. :)The Del Rio and other others that were brought up in this post are more like diner-restaurants. They're much larger in capacity, have more complex menus and are generally Greek owned. The classic diners are a dying breed in some locations, but some are being trucked out of state to reopen and serve eggs over easy and coffee etc. if I'm correct, the Cheyenne Diner in NYC was trucked out of state and lives again. Here's an interesting read. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 25 11:30:46 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 25 11:21:45 2016. Yep. One of my coworkers at the PSC was a rabid fan of trying to visit every diner in America. Took pictures, collected menus, the whole nine years. Tried to get him into subway cars, no sale. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 25 11:31:37 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 25 11:02:03 2016. McDonalds is bankrupt? :) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 25 11:52:46 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 25 11:30:46 2016. Yep. One of my coworkers at the PSC was a rabid fan of trying to visit every diner in America. Took pictures, collected menus, the whole nine years. Tried to get him into subway cars, no sale. Heh.A diner buff ? LOL Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 25 12:11:07 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 25 11:52:46 2016. Yep. Crazed at it too. :) |
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