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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 05:41:50 2016 Bob Dole is a republican of my vintage, who like John McCain (the 2000 version, not the Palin version), has always had my greatest respect for being a REAL republican, not a teabagging fool. Well ... I've just lost my respect for him, and that's a damned shame. Party unity and all I can understand. But ENDORSING Trump? Too far.--- Former U.S. Senator and GOP presidential candidate Bob Dole sat for an interview on Saturday, and shared his views on the current race. In no uncertain terms, he called on Republicans to unify behind Donald Trump. He also said that the best available vice presidential candidate is his former colleague, Newt Gingrich. Perhaps this is a sign of good things to come for Trump. Dole is the Republican with the most stature to give his full-throated support to The Donald, and perhaps his example will eventually win over some of the other holdouts. On the other hand, perhaps it suggests that an aging politico has lost his touch. His demand that Trump apologize to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) hints in that direction, as does his suggestion that the GOP nominee still has plenty of time to win over women and minorities. Or maybe Dole is just trying to insure that he no longer has the worst defeat for a post-Goldwater Republican presidential candidate on his resume. ---------- Now endorsing Gingrich is interesting. Gingrich spent most of his time in office being a bible-thumping asshole, content to sleep in full Leviticus mode with Falwell, Robertson and the other charlatans. But like Barry Goldwater once their ass got sore enough, turned around and became a mensch. If Trump actually DOES go for Gingrich (good friend of Bill and Hillary BTW) then this really COULD get interesting. Stay tuned, the circus clown car is out in the center ring, but the elephants haven't yet come out from behind the curtain. :) |
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Posted by Dave on Sun May 29 07:36:09 2016, in response to Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 05:41:50 2016. I'm sure he's losing sleep over losing your respect. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 10:48:02 2016, in response to Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 05:41:50 2016. I just lost a lot of respect for Dole. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun May 29 10:52:59 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 10:48:02 2016. I'm sure he'll still sleep like a baby (wetting his Depends every two hours....). |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun May 29 10:57:57 2016, in response to Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 05:41:50 2016. Trump/Gingrich may be one of the worst tickets in the history of American politics. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 10:58:47 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Mitch45 on Sun May 29 10:57:57 2016. Trump/anyone is already the worst ticket. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 11:01:37 2016, in response to Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 05:41:50 2016. Define "good". As it see, a trump in the Oval Office is a very very very bad for the nation. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 11:06:51 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Mitch45 on Sun May 29 10:57:57 2016. Yet they'll likely win as the Democrats are beyond dysfunctional at this point. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 11:10:38 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 11:01:37 2016. I don't see it as a doomsday scenerio.It's bad for women's rights, as his SCOTUS nominee will be staunchly anti-abortion. It's bad for overturning Citizen's United, as his SCOTUS nominee will likely be in support of it. It's bad for Obamacare, as he'll likely end up with a GOP congress who will present him a bill to end it which he'll sign. It's bad for foreign relations, as Trump will probably piss off our allies. It's bad for the economy, as Trump's protectionist plans will kill economic momentum. However, we're not going to enter a nuclear war and if the economy get worse, we'll only have to put up with him for 4 years. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 11:15:52 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Dave on Sun May 29 07:36:09 2016. He should. He lost a lot of people's respect with this one. Add to that his numbers dropped significantly after the Viagra ads, so he's been running shy for years. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 11:17:34 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 11:15:52 2016. I'd still take him over any of the jokers that ran in this year's GOP primary. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 11:33:12 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 11:06:51 2016. Only if people give up on it. Face it, the Democrats are not yet done with primaries. And the republicans are far less unified thn you may think. These party bigwigs may be coming out and shouting"unify", but it's just as fractured among the membership as it ever was.Plus, their presumed defacto leader doesn't seem to have the least bit of interestm in unifying the party. He can't even get his own campaign going. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 11:37:37 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 11:15:52 2016. What was wrong with the Viagra ads? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 11:49:23 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 11:10:38 2016. After the losses from the bush economic collapse, i and millions more like me, don't have time to wait to rebuild my finances. . Four years of trump would be catastrophic. Plus they'll end Social Security, that'll be trumps concession to ryan.Nor will I stand for ACA being revoked unless its for a single payer system, As a cancer survivor, I won't be able to get anyone to cover me if that's the case. i won't stand for having my rights taken away. I remember what it was like before the seventies. He hasn't backed off his statements about using nukes in the Middle East either. So there's no reason to think that someone who's only proven himself to be unstable and not much more won't actually do it. I have no reason to trust him, and plenty not to. Everyone needs to get focused on stopping trump NOW. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 11:59:04 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 11:10:38 2016. After the losses from the bush economic collapse, i and millions more like me, don't have time to wait to rebuild my finances. . Four years of trump would be catastrophic. Plus they'll end Social Security, that'll be trumps concession to ryan.Nor will I stand for ACA being revoked unless its for a single payer system, As a cancer survivor, I won't be able to get anyone to cover me if that's the case. i won't stand for having my rights taken away. I remember what it was like before the seventies. He hasn't backed off his statements about using nukes in the Middle East either. So there's no reason to think that someone who's only proven himself to be unstable and not much more won't actually do it. I have no reason to trust him, and plenty not to. Everyone needs to get focused on stopping trump NOW. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 12:00:26 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 11:17:34 2016. Well yeah. But I won't vote for any republican until the change their platform. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 12:02:59 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 11:37:37 2016. They criticize Hillary for doing the speaking circuit. Yet Dole gets a pass on taking all that money from Big Pharma? Don't forget he blocked healthcare reform in the nineties. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 29 12:25:51 2016, in response to Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 05:41:50 2016. Bob Dole is a republican of my vintageYes, a liberal. So why is this surprising? I ain't surprised. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 13:23:34 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 29 12:25:51 2016. You realize that you get killed earlier by bad Eurovideo music Why are you posting? |
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Posted by Dave on Sun May 29 15:24:52 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 11:33:12 2016. It's going to be fun watching you stew and simmer if Trump wins. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun May 29 15:43:59 2016, in response to Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 05:41:50 2016. That is exactly how I felt when people endorsed obama in 2008. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun May 29 15:44:42 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 11:17:34 2016. No, you're a joker. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun May 29 15:45:34 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 10:48:02 2016. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun May 29 15:46:51 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 11:10:38 2016. You are no conservative. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 29 16:19:44 2016, in response to Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 05:41:50 2016. Scratch the scenario whereby the Republicans refuse to accept a Trump candidacy and Clinton wins by default.It looks like Clinton will have to fight to get elected. That prospect should install as much confidence as having booked passage on the Titanic. One reason the Republicans are uniting is that they sense Trump has a good shot at becoming President. Current office holders see their re-election prospects as being better by backing Trump than by ignoring him. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 29 16:29:09 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 11:33:12 2016. the republicans are far less unified thn you may think. These party bigwigs may be coming out and shouting"unify", but it's just as fractured among the membership as it ever was.What Trump showed was that he did not need the Republican Party bigwigs and their membership to win the nomination. The recent polls are showing that he may not need these traditional Republicans to win the presidency. their presumed defacto leader doesn't seem to have the least bit of interestm in unifying the party. He can't even get his own campaign going. Had you not used the third person masculine pronoun, I would have thought this statement referred to the Democrats. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 16:48:06 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Dave on Sun May 29 15:24:52 2016. No, it won't. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 16:48:36 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun May 29 15:43:59 2016. Obama is Lincoln compared to Trump. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 17:08:26 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Dave on Sun May 29 15:24:52 2016. No, i won't. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 17:22:35 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 29 16:19:44 2016. Problem is, trump has next to no following and he isn't gaining ground. He has higher negatives than Clinton and those are retrenching following the end of the primaries. He isn't doing anything to fix that. In fact, he isn't doing anything he needs to. The entire republican party will be harmed by this. He's had almost a full month and he hasn't done squat with it. There's a lot of people in the party that are worried sick over this and they damn well should be. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun May 29 17:31:01 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 16:48:36 2016. lol |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 17:32:10 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 29 16:29:09 2016. It's hard to devise a coherent message nd lines of attack when the opposition is a moving atrget without an actual message.All one can go with is clarity vs confusion. It's real, true, negative and boring as hell. Good thing there's still some time. This will work itself out (or rather the Clinton campaign will work it out). |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 29 18:20:25 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 29 16:19:44 2016. It looks like Clinton will have to fight to get elected. That prospect should install as much confidence as having booked passage on the Titanic.Thanks to recalcitrant Sanders supporters. They need to give up and support the Democratic candidate. I supported Clinton in 2008 but when Obama got more delegates I gave up and supported him. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 29 18:21:08 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 16:48:36 2016. Obama is Lincoln compared to all 17 of them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 18:30:23 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by AlM on Sun May 29 18:21:08 2016. Yes, you're right.Obama is Jesus compared to Trump. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 19:00:25 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 11:37:37 2016. wellllllll ... ya gotta admit that is was a bit demeaning for someone of his stature.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 19:02:54 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 11:06:51 2016. I hope you realize that none of that is anything new. :)
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 19:04:23 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 19:00:25 2016. Not really. It made him seem cooler. That a man his age was still getting some. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 29 19:08:20 2016, in response to Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 05:41:50 2016. Once upon a time, this guy was almost killed in the fight against against Fascism abroad.Now he supports it here. What an end. So much for Memorial Day. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 29 19:11:01 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by TonyG on Sun May 29 11:06:51 2016. They are about as dysfunctional as they were at this time in 2008. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 19:12:01 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out?, posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 13:23:34 2016. He put another quarter in, bonus life. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 19:23:33 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 19:04:23 2016. For younger folks, I would agree. For his compatriots though that was a "get out the smelling salts" shocker. Like I said, I've always admired Bob Dole because he was capable of getting shit done as well as keep the crazies in check. That was no easy task. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 19:24:28 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by SMAZ on Sun May 29 19:08:20 2016. Yep. Exactly. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 29 19:27:04 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by SMAZ on Sun May 29 19:08:20 2016. Now he supports it here.But surely the Republican Party will be able to control Trump once he's President. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 29 19:32:16 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 29 16:48:36 2016. Obama is almost Lincoln when compared to Lincoln.At this point even George W. Bush is Lincoln compared to Trump. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 29 20:27:22 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by AlM on Sun May 29 18:20:25 2016. Thanks to recalcitrant Sanders supporters. They need to give up and support the Democratic candidate.Whether or not Clinton gets elected will depend on Clinton and her campaign. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 29 20:32:16 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 17:32:10 2016. It's hard to devise a coherent message [a]nd lines of attack when the opposition is a moving target without an actual message.Hasn't she had a similar problem with a "single issue" candidate that has had a consistent message? Good thing there's still some time. This will work itself out (or rather the Clinton campaign will work it out). Real encouraging words from a candidate who stresses her experience and claims to be able to hit the ground running. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 29 20:37:40 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 29 20:27:22 2016. Mostly. But Sanders can help or hinder. Right now he is hindering. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 29 20:50:26 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by AlM on Sun May 29 20:37:40 2016. Sanders can help or hinder. Right now he is hindering.Sanders ability to deliver his supporters is over-rated. Whether they vote for Clinton and in what numbers will depend more on Clinton and Trump. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 29 21:04:22 2016, in response to Re: Bob Dole whores out :(, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 29 20:50:26 2016. The most operative question WRT Sanders supporters is whether or not they vote at all. Most are in the demographic that doesn't. The majority will vote for Clinton, no questions asked. Plus, some of his people are focused on Stop Trump, which will also bring Hillary voters. |
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