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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 4 16:29:56 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 4 15:22:00 2015. We fought a revolution to prevent that from happening here. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Sep 4 20:07:26 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 2 10:08:04 2015. U should talk to your union about that. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Sep 4 20:14:51 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 20:38:42 2015. I'm sure like with many gov't jobs (not sure how kentucky work with their gov't obviously) they will try and convince her resign using tactics such as letting keep her time pension ability to apply for other gov't jobs etc as opposed to going through the long very public process of impeaching and trying to convict her. She will also save face. But I doubt she'll go for that she seems to be playing the martyr card. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Sep 4 20:15:29 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 20:40:55 2015. Made for reality tv... :-) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 4 20:17:33 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Sep 4 20:14:51 2015. She's elected. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 4 20:41:55 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 3 21:40:09 2015. Nope. This tweet makes it crystal clear.
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 4 20:43:51 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 4 20:41:55 2015. Excellent Tweet |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Sep 4 21:20:08 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 4 20:41:55 2015. +1,327,458!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 4 23:26:13 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Sep 4 20:15:29 2015. Wellll ... the good news is that if this is our top story, life is good. :) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 08:20:13 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 4 23:26:13 2015. Yup...not a peep about the Chinese warships sailing off Alaska while President Obama was there earlier this week, or Ukraine specifically identifying Russia as the aggressor in the Donbas conflict, or the announcement of Truvada as a 100% effective HIV vaccine, the first in history...Nope, crickets on all those stories in the MSM... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 08:28:36 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 08:20:13 2015. WHOA! That last one should be huge news. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 09:10:22 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 08:28:36 2015. You're right, it should be. But we're more interested in the homophobic woman from Kentucky wrapping her bigotry in religion, and what craziness the Kardashians are into this week, than anything of real substance. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 09:18:18 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 08:20:13 2015. Actually, I read extensively about two of the three, and was aware of the third (second, actually the Ukraine story). I wonder if the Trvada story is going to result in its wider acceptance, which surprisingly has not been the case thus far. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 09:26:48 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 09:18:18 2015. There have been widespread PReP educational campaigns for over a year now. The Kaiser Permanente study should encourage people in high risk groups to use Truvada, as every insurance plan in the country has approved its use as a preventive measure. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 09:35:45 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 09:26:48 2015. Now granted, I remember the first of the Pills and how broadly accepted they were, even with all the side effects (weight gain being the most famous). To me, this is an equivalent, for everyone gay or straight, to be able to enjoy their "wild oats" years without a lifetime of consequences and (for women) maintain the ability to have a family later without the rigors of medications and caesareans. Yet it just doesn't seem to be catching on. Does any of that make a difference on the street, where it really counts? |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 10:00:36 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 09:18:18 2015. Actually, I read extensively about two of the threeCorrect, I did as well. CNN, CNBC, Fox, WSJ, etc. all had articles about the Chinese Navy off the Alaska coast. WaPo also covered the Ukraine-Russia story. And the Truvada story was covered by the MSM as well: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/09/04/in-new-study-hiv-prevention-pill-truvada-is-startlingly-100-percent-effective/ JayZee sees the world through funny glasses. Making stuff up is not good for a journalist. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Sep 5 10:09:37 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 09:10:22 2015. Truvada is not a vaccine. It's an antiretroviral drug. It has to be taken very day forever. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 10:14:32 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 10:00:36 2015. Sure, CNN, etc., did the story about the Chinese Navy, a day late, and it wasn't among their top stories, nor was the Ukraine item. The Truvada story was broken by just two news outlets on Wednesday--ABC7 in San Francisco, and by me at GBM News. The MSM very sluggishly picked it up a day later, as your WaPo link illustrates.But all the big news agencies were screaming about Kim Davis and her faux-pious refusal to do her job, even though as an agent of the state, she doesn't have that luxury. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 10:17:00 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by merrick1 on Sat Sep 5 10:09:37 2015. You're right, it's not a vaccine in the true sense of the word, but Gilead and Kaiser are referring to it as one:ABC7 San Fran (KGO-TV): KAISER PERMANENTE STUDY SHOWS DRUG EFFECTIVE IN PREVENTING HIV By Lyanne Melendez SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- More than 30 years after the AIDS virus was first discovered, a new study by Kaiser Permanente shows there may finally be an actual HIV vaccine. More than 600 patients have been on the drug Truvada for about three years and none has tested positive for HIV. The results of those clinical trials showed that Truvada was effective in more than 90 percent of patients. Since then, Kaiser Permanente in San Francisco has been giving the drug to its patients for more than two years with even better results. Doctor Jonathan Volk put Kaiser Permanente patients at risk for HIV. Patients like Paul Marcelin were put on a daily regimen of the drug Truvada, which has proved in clinical trials to protect a vast majority of people from HIV infection. "It's wonderful to have less worries about HIV. It's something that is always lurking in the back of one's mind," Marcelin said. Instead of protecting most people, Kaiser Researchers found the drug has been 100 percent effective. Their patients have been taking it since the drug was approved in 2012. Their findings appear online in the Clinical Infectious Diseases Advance Access. "We now have over 600 patients using this medication and no new HIV infections," Volk said. Patients are tested every three months for HIV and monitored for any possible side effects. Those include gay and bisexual men, as well as heterosexuals and injection drug users. "What's really exciting about HIV prevention in 2015 is that we have options, we have several tools that we can use," Volk said. The study suggests that HIV is very close to being managed like any other chronic disease, such as diabetes or asthma. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 10:24:13 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 10:00:36 2015. None of those stories were "made up". They all happened and were reported. One is actually related, as it was the AIDs epidemic that brought gay relationships into the spotlight and spurred the drive for marriage equality.Yes, the jailing of a rights denier is news. Should it overwhelm everything else? Apparently it needs to, if only to get the message across. At least GoFundMe changed their policy so she won't be getting rich off it. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 12:08:06 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 10:14:32 2015. It was a leading story on Fox. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 12:08:54 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 10:24:13 2015. Who said the stories were made up? I was referring to JZ making up that the MSM didn't cover the stories, when in fact they had. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 12:22:52 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 10:40:20 2015. BUMP |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 5 13:00:43 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 12:22:52 2015. If Dave ever really did cite the statutory responsibilities of the county clerk, it's totally buried. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 13:19:51 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 5 13:00:43 2015. 402.080 Marriage license required -- Who may issue.No marriage shall be solemnized without a license therefor. The license shall be issued by the clerk of the county in which the female resides at the time, unless the female is eighteen (18) years of age or over or a widow, and the license is issued on her application in person or by writing signed by her, in which case it may be issued by any county clerk. Effective: July 13, 1984 History: Amended 1984 Ky. Acts ch. 279, sec. 1, effective July 13, 1984. -- Amended 1980 Ky. Acts ch. 74, sec. 1, effective Ju ly 15, 1980. -- Amended 1978 Ky. Acts ch. 384, sec. 518, effective June 17, 1978. -- Amended 1968 Ky. Acts ch. 100, sec. 14. -- Amended 1948 Ky. Acts ch. 42, sec. 1. -- Recodified 1942 Ky. Acts ch. 208, sec. 1, effective October 1, 1942, from Ky. Stat. sec . 2105. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 5 13:36:59 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 13:19:51 2015. In your zeal to spread the gospel of FOX News, did you happen to notice THIS?issued by the clerk of the county in which the female resides That kinda puts the kabosh to "next county, please" ... |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 5 13:49:06 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 13:19:51 2015. Which doesn't contradict Spider-Pig's assertion that a county clerk may be able to authorize a deputy to act in his or her name. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 13:50:34 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 5 13:49:06 2015. And zuckie13 and I have both cited the specific provision giving deputy clerks authority to sign marriage licenses. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 13:51:44 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 5 13:36:59 2015. Holy crap, are your eyes as bad as bingbong's?"...unless the female is eighteen (18) years of age or over or a widow, and the license is issued on her application in person or by writing signed by her, in which case it may be issued by any county clerk." Try reading the entire post before responding. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 14:18:11 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 13:50:34 2015. Only with the permission of the clerk.County clerks are required to use a proscribed form for issuing a marriage license. A marriage license includes an authorization statement of the county clerk issuing the license and the date and place the license is issued, and the signature of the county clerk or deputy clerk issuing the license. KY. REV.STAT. § 402.100(1). This form includes a “marriage certificate” that includes “[a] signed statement by the county clerk or a deputy county clerk of the county in which the marriage license was issued that the marriage license was recorded.” KY. REV.STAT. § 402.100(2). Upon solemnization, the form is to be returned to the county clerk’s office and “shall provide” certain “information as recorded on the license authorizing the marriage,” including the “the name of the county clerk under whose authority the license was issued, and the county in which the license was issued.” KY. REV.STAT. § 402.100(3). If the clerk does not authorize the deputy clerk to issue the license, then they can't legally issue it. Now the question becomes, does the clerk's authority end when he/she violates the law by not issuing the license? I would argue that with Davis in jail she is not available, and under state law the county executive can then issue the license. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 14:23:01 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 14:18:11 2015. I never claimed that the Clerk's permission was not required. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Sat Sep 5 14:41:08 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 3 11:03:41 2015. You actually need to be shown that it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the County Clerk of a 750,000 people county to personally sign off on every marriage license in that county?It is not physically impossible; the national marriage rate 6.8 marriages per 1000 people per year. For a population 750,000 that comes to 5,100 marriages per year, if the clerk works 210 days a year that comes an average of 24 licenses per day hardly an impossible number. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 14:51:29 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 12:08:54 2015. Define MSM. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 14:53:55 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 13:51:44 2015. IIRC, that means deputies. Like the five that are issuing licenses since whatsername went to gaol. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 15:53:23 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 14:53:55 2015. "Any county clerk" means the county clerk in any county, not just the county where the female resides. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 15:55:37 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 14:51:29 2015. LOL! CNN, CNBC, Fox and the WSJ aren't MSM? WaPo isn't the MSM? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 16:15:31 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 09:10:22 2015. Where do you get that she's a homophobic bigot?? She is a religious woman who is sticking to her principles, so much so that she's willing to go to jail for it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 16:24:23 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 16:15:31 2015. And that makes her a homophobic bigot hiding behind what she believes about her imaginary friend. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 5 16:42:16 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 16:15:31 2015. She is a religious woman who is sticking to her principles, so much so that she's willing to go to jail for it.What religious principle prevents her from quitting her job on the grounds that her religion no longer permits her to do her duties? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Sep 5 17:15:46 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dand124 on Sat Sep 5 14:41:08 2015. the clerk works 210 days a year that comes an average of 24 licenses per day hardly an impossible number.Who's issuing them on the other 145 days? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 17:27:03 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 5 16:42:16 2015. What does that have to do with my post? My post was about JZ's calling her a homophobic bigot. Since I can't get into her head I don't know if she is or not, but nowhere, absolutely nowhere in any of the stories about her, points to that conclusion. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 5 17:41:27 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 17:27:03 2015. What does that have to do with my post?You said she is a woman sticking to her religious principles. I am questioning that. There is a much easier way for her to stick to her religious principles than the way she is taking. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 5 17:41:30 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 13:51:44 2015. Man ... you're easier to set off than an oil-soaked rag. :) |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 5 17:42:37 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Sat Sep 5 17:15:46 2015. You said "that's not even considering vacation days ..."Your argument only makes sense when you DO consider vacation days. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 18:05:31 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 5 17:41:30 2015. Not really. I think it's funny how you deliberately cherry pick a part of a paragraph and twist it to mean something it never said. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 5 18:15:43 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 18:05:31 2015. Heh. You must be new here. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 18:17:13 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 15:55:37 2015. Fox isn't. Nor is WSJ. Murdoch. Ailes. CNN had a legitimacy("shooting from the hip") problem back when they had a budget, I can hardly imagine where they're at now. WaPo was sold, and no, I don't have them confused with Washington Times, which is the Moonies. Lulz.But seeing it's a holiday weekend I'll give you another shot at it. Please try again. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 18:19:28 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 15:53:23 2015. According to???Time to research Kentucy caselaw. You're in Texass. are you on the Kentucky bar? Lulz! And the libraries are closed, it's a holiday weekend. Awwwwwww........ |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 18:22:40 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 17:27:03 2015. As an agent of the state, Davis is strictly prohibited by the Constitution she swore to uphold, from imposing any religious beliefs on the taxpayers she was elected to serve. As her refusal to follow her oath in response to the SCOTUS decision on gay marriage indicates, she is very publicly demonstrating her homophobia, dressing it up as religious piety. Where were her religious morals when she got divorced times three? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 18:27:37 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 18:22:40 2015. Funny how that was the sole directive from Jesus Christ himself. Only in the case of violence or adultery (meaning abandoning a spouse for another) is divorce allowed. |
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