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Posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 13 23:28:16 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 13 19:39:20 2014. 1. The lack of an indictment in the Garner and Brown cases are gross miscarriages of justice.finding someone guilty of something before he's had his day in court is also a gross miscarriage of justice, but here you are encouraging it. 2. In particular, the failure of the grand jury in the garner case to indict Officer Pantaleo is an indication that some people (read: the police) are above the law. The recent examples of their egregious conduct in several high-profile cases, reinforces this. No, it's an indication that they didn't feel an actual crime was committed 3. Eric Garner was put in a chokehold--on video--by Officer Pantaleo. Such a maneuver has been expressly forbidden by the NYPD's Patrol Guide for the past 21 years. Doing something that's against the patrol book is not autoamticly a crime. 4. Eric Garner is, in FACT, now dead, and the video in question depicts his last living moments on this earth. yes, of a heart attack. 5. The Medical Examiner ruled that Eric Garner's death was a homicide, and that its proximate cause was compression of Garner's airway, leading to hypoxia and cardiac arrest. In other words, he was choked to death. Given the circumstances, there exists a rather fascinating possibility: That the Medical Examiner was WRONG I had a guy die three blocks from my house under similar circumstances and the cops didn't put him in a choke hold. (The cops actually asked to see my security camera footage as the suspect was fleeting on a motor scooter down my sidewalk. It showed him nearly mowing down a woman walking past my front door.) News flash, people with asthma and heart conditions can have heart attacks from overexcitements. A lady got a heart attack just from running away from that steam pipe explosion near Grand Central a few years ago. 6. The video depicts Pantaleo choking Garner to death. No it doesn't, try again. 7. The video, seen by millions of people, and Garner's dead body, should have been more than enough evidence for a grand jury to indict Pantaleo for criminally negligent homicide, at a minimum. Yea, and there was a boat load of evidence OJ Simpson is a murderer, such as a televised car chase through LA, but we all know how THAT went... Criminally Negligent homicide is actually about the maximum he would have faced. And that, at max, carries four years. 8. No indictment was forthcoming, which strongly suggests serious problems with the entire grand jury proceeding. Scores of legal experts on both sides of the political aisle have expressed great surprise at the SI DA's failure to obtain what, in one lawyer's words, should have been "an easy indictment". Or it suggests you put too high hopes in the system, and that the fault is with your expectations. Given that indictments of police officers are exceedingly rare, it's reasonable to think that certain groups of people, like the police, enjoy a degree of immunity from the law. If such a thing is true, then it must only be because THE PEOPLE feel they should, because the PEOPLE make up the system. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 13 23:28:25 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 13 18:18:39 2014. May be a hack sometimes but am far from a rightwinger. I like to see the hardmosers dance....and its easy to get them to do it. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 13 23:32:55 2014, in response to Re: Millions March?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 13 23:07:39 2014. I said "vague at best and silent at worst" the tenth amendment is at best a completely vague statement as it adds nothing in function, it's basically putting an already understood concept of federalism "in writing". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 13 23:33:51 2014, in response to Re: Millions March?, posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 13 23:18:51 2014. Those think that the Clash are the Ramones. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 13 23:34:26 2014, in response to Re: Millions March?, posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 13 23:32:55 2014. It's not supposed to. Federalism is not centralism. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 13 23:34:54 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 13 23:28:25 2014. So what does a "right winger" believe? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 13 23:35:48 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 13 23:28:16 2014. When they pile on the falsehoods, it's a waste of energy to refute them all. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 13 23:36:39 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 13 12:28:08 2014. and yet, everyone here has judged the officers here as guilty without a trial...Two wrongs don't make a right... |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 13 23:37:30 2014, in response to Re: Millions March?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 13 23:34:54 2014. I haven't really followed the case, thus don't know the evidence fully. We also weren't privy to the evidence presented to the grand jury. Unlike many...I don't just jump on a bandwagon... |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 13 23:38:23 2014, in response to Re: Millions March?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 13 23:33:51 2014. Joey Clash? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 13 23:38:42 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 13 23:36:39 2014. Everyone? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 13 23:39:54 2014, in response to Re: Millions March?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 13 23:35:48 2014. Unfortunately also....many have him tried and convicted without benefit of trial. They just automatically jump on one side. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 13 23:41:03 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 13 23:36:39 2014. Exactly....although not everyone |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 13 23:45:56 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 13 23:36:39 2014. bad choice of words, was implying his bunch of loonies who don't know word meanings... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 13 23:54:38 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 13 21:19:01 2014. I think you've taken the base and thrown it outside the ballpark. He was waving his hands, moving away from the cops, and saying don't touch me. Looks like he was resisting arrest. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 13 23:55:37 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 13 22:02:12 2014. +666 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 13 23:55:57 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 13 21:07:43 2014. What bandwagon? He has no bandwagon!!! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 00:01:43 2014, in response to Re: Millions March?, posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 13 23:32:55 2014. The 10th amendment is only vague as to which powers are reserved to the states and which to the people. It is not vague as to the fact that powers not specifically enumerated in the Constitution are not available to the federal government. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 00:02:45 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 13 23:36:39 2014. The officers were not killed or deprived of their freedom, so the situation is not comparable. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 00:05:26 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 13 23:54:38 2014. I agree. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 00:07:33 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 00:05:26 2014. I said the same thing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 00:08:32 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 00:07:33 2014. I agree with you too, then. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 00:12:17 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 00:08:32 2014. Good |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:12:19 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sat Dec 13 21:17:01 2014. WTF? I've always had weekends off, even when I was low on the totem pole. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 14 00:12:26 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 13 21:19:01 2014. LOL!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:14:07 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 13 23:13:55 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:14:32 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 13 23:18:15 2014. For the most part, yes it does just involve the bus fare. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:19:39 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Dec 13 22:30:37 2014. LOL!!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 14 00:21:19 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:12:19 2014. I els...but also understand you wouldn't take a job that required Saturday. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 14 00:24:40 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 14 00:21:19 2014. Yes.... Not I els wherever that came from. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:26:22 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 00:12:17 2014. OK good. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:27:06 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 00:05:26 2014. Well that settles it, then. AlM and JayZeeBMT need to be shown the light. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:28:38 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 14 00:21:19 2014. Well yes, but all my non-Jewish coworkers also have weekends off. And there are tons of jobs I could have chosen from. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Dec 14 00:29:09 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 00:02:45 2014. Brown attempted to deprive Wilson of his safety if not his life. Then the media goes and hands out Wilson's address. I would say the situation is more comparable than you think. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 00:33:53 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:26:22 2014. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:53:19 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 00:33:53 2014. movie not loaded |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 14 05:35:07 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 13 23:41:03 2014. Exactly....although not everyoneUm, maybe 3 people out of 30 who have commented? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 14 05:36:20 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 13 23:54:38 2014. The itemn being addressed was purely his saying "Don't touch me." I specifically said that waving his hands would be diffferent. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 14 05:36:38 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 14 05:35:07 2014. Um, LOL!!! |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 14 05:42:49 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 13 21:41:25 2014. I believe he was resisting arrest, but not because of the words he said, but because of his actions. The matter being addressed was his words. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 14 05:43:12 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:27:06 2014. Maybe you need to read what I wrote. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 14 05:49:28 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 00:05:26 2014. So the item I addressed was whether it would be resisting arrest to just say "Don't touch me" when not accompanying that by any physical action whatsoever like flailing one's arms. Is it really your opinion that one could be convicted for resisting arrest under those circumstances? |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 14 06:34:18 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 00:53:19 2014. works on my phone but not on my laptop.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Gamera on Sun Dec 14 07:21:42 2014, in response to Millions March!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 13 10:07:21 2014. Do you support the marchers who called for killing cops? |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 14 08:43:07 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Gamera on Sun Dec 14 07:21:42 2014. AssholesThrowing Hannity a bone. Of course that's about 60 people there out of thousands but that's all you'll hear. Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 14 09:25:03 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 14 05:42:49 2014. Geez, your arguments are getting ridiculous. How do you rationalize seperating his words from his actions? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 14 09:41:48 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 14 09:25:03 2014. The reference was to his saying "Don't touch me." What part ofThat's not resisting arrest, unless you also flail your arms or something to prevent yourself from being handcuffed. don't you understand? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Dec 14 09:44:15 2014, in response to Millions March!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 13 10:07:21 2014. Both grand jury's LEGALLY cleared the cops. The demonstrators in NYC are all VERMIN. Left over Occupy Wall Street assholes. Oh, and I'm not losing any sleep over the deaths of Brown and Garner. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 09:50:28 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 14 09:41:48 2014. Is 'don't touch me' compliance? |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 10:25:23 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Dec 13 10:31:40 2014. Thanks! |
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