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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 14 20:44:11 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 15:12:52 2014. Sorry. Posting from my phone and forgot to add the smiley face. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 22:06:56 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 14 20:07:14 2014. LOL!The rules of evidence don't apply to the same extent in a grand jury proceeding. For one thing, there's no adversary to object and no judge to rule. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 14 22:20:19 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 22:06:56 2014. Yes. So the prosecutor presents evidence and witnesses to sustain an indictment without any evidence to the contrary. It stands to reason that if they could not get an indictment in either case, then there was not even enough evidence to sustain the indictment, let alone a conviction. In the Travon Martin case, they got the indictment and still lost at trial. SO what is everyone so upset about? That's how the system is supposed to work. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sun Dec 14 22:25:10 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sat Dec 13 21:30:31 2014. I work for the MTA and have wkends off(one of the lucky few) still let's just say i'm no where near retirement. Downside is I work ALL holidays. I'm sure everyone at the march wasn't low on the totem pole at their jobs and most places of work has wkends off. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 22:53:14 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 14 22:20:19 2014. The prosecutor decides what evidence to present and what not to present. If he doesn't want to indict, he doesn't present evidence that would tend to convince jurors to vote to indict. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 14 23:31:01 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 14 22:53:14 2014. So you are saying that in both cases, the prosecutor tanked his own cases? If he didn't want to prosecute the case or if he felt that the case had no merit, doesn't he have the authority to decide not to present it to a grand jury? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 15 00:09:37 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 14 23:31:01 2014. The grand juries were convened for political cover. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 15 01:01:19 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 14 23:31:01 2014. They make it up as they go along. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 15 01:01:38 2014, in response to Re: Millions March?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 15 01:01:19 2014. The libs I mean. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 15 01:02:59 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Dec 14 11:49:58 2014. pwn3d. Never mind LOL at "violent deaths". |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Dec 15 06:46:15 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 15 00:09:37 2014. That and we never landed on the moon. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 07:58:44 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Dec 15 06:46:15 2014. ???What is so outlandish about Spider-Pig's post? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 15 08:51:59 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Dec 14 11:49:58 2014. He's not comparing the English grand jury system to any "Nazi Germany court system."He's just saying that the argument that something is legal is no legitimate claim that it is right. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 15 12:46:20 2014, in response to Millions March!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 13 10:07:21 2014. I already know your opinion on the Garner case, but how is the Mike Brown case a "miscarriage of justice"? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 15 13:09:39 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 15 12:46:20 2014. He doesn't know. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 15 13:10:13 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 15 12:46:20 2014. Because black people need shit like this.Even when they're wrong, they feel right. Tawana Brawley is a great example and it's been this way ever since. "Hands up, don't shoot". "I can't breathe". "You can't see me". Simple slogans. It's why minorities are such good wrestling fans. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 15 13:21:23 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 15 13:10:13 2014. Please, I'm pissed that they let Cena win AGAIN!!! I don't care how much merch he sells. Also pissed that Ziggler won. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Dec 15 14:16:38 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 07:58:44 2014. +1 |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Dec 15 14:18:49 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 15 08:51:59 2014. iawtp |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 14:39:33 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by busdude2 on Sat Dec 13 10:30:16 2014. Really? Many thought Dr. King (and the cause) was wrong for protesting/marching/boycotting as well. Just because you don't agree with the cause doesn't make it, and the participants wrong. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 15 15:19:02 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 15 12:46:20 2014. Too many inconsistencies in Wilson's story, and too many witnesses, including Brown's friend, who was on the scene for the entire incident, saying Brown was surrendering when Wilson shot him. Interestingly, Brown's friend, a critical witness if ever there was one, wasn't put on the stand, and his statement to investigators was somehow overlooked, until after the grand jury's decision. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 15 15:22:35 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 15 15:19:02 2014. His friend who robbed shit from a store minutes earlier? |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Dec 15 15:38:54 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 15 15:19:02 2014. Well, why put someone who is in an obvious position to be a liar on the witness stand?Many of those so called "witnesses" say the "witnessed" Brown being shot in the back. When told it was otherwise, that they were facing each other, these Witnesses" changed their story, and you say Wilson was inconsistent?!? |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Dec 15 15:40:46 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by The Silence on Mon Dec 15 15:38:54 2014. good point. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 15 15:47:34 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 15 15:22:35 2014. Yes, exactly. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 15 15:47:59 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by The Silence on Mon Dec 15 15:38:54 2014. They don't want to hear that. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 15 15:56:44 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 15 15:47:34 2014. With the JayZeeBMT #element, what's wrong is right. What's bad is good.They turn shit upside down. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 15 16:14:47 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by The Silence on Mon Dec 15 15:38:54 2014. Wison was originally supposed to have sustained critical injuries from his encounter with Brown. Yet, ER photos of Wilson show him alert, aware, and uninjured. Wilson also changed his story twice, first alleging that Brown "charged" him, causing Wilson to fire at point blank range. But later, Wilson said Brown was 35 yards away from him, but the unarmed suspect was still somehow a grave "threat" to Wilson's life. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 16:16:42 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 15 16:14:47 2014. What do you mean, Wilson changed his story twice? What story was ever released except his grand jury testimony? Leaks from people with dubious third hand knowledge can't be attributed to Wilson. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 15 16:32:25 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 16:16:42 2014. That's the sad part of this. They want to believe all the crap, and use third hand information, and stories from other criminals to try and back something. The "facts" are "facts", not facts. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 15 16:33:39 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 16:16:42 2014. There are all kinds of problems with Wilson's story. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 15 16:34:47 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 15 16:32:25 2014. And your information comes from where? |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 15 16:55:46 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 15 00:09:37 2014. +3your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 15 16:57:56 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 15 16:33:39 2014. And there's all kinds of problems with your so called "witnesses". |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 17:09:49 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 15 16:33:39 2014. Yes, it is a remarkable admission of conduct not expected of a police officer. But it is not inconsistent and it is not an admission of crimnal behavior. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 17:11:38 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 07:58:44 2014. The fact that it goes against his values. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 15 17:12:56 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 17:09:49 2014. Wilson's account of events, among other things, should have been questions of fact for a trial jury. I get the overwhelming impression that the DA did NOT want this case going to trial. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 17:14:45 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 15 00:09:37 2014. I totally agree. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 17:18:24 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 15 17:12:56 2014. The grand jury, as influenced by the DA, did not agree with your first sentence. Your second sentence is very likely true. But that might be for any number of reasons, including perhaps the DA thinking there was no way he was getting a conviction on the existing evidence. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 15 18:03:49 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 17:18:24 2014. ...including perhaps the DA thinking there was no way he was getting a conviction on the existing evidence.That's the long and short of it, I think. It's possible they looked at the evidence, said "no way" folllowed by "we gotta do something" and convened a grand jury. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by The silence on Mon Dec 15 19:23:31 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 15 17:12:56 2014. If they honestly thought the case would go nowhere then they would have never brought the case before a grand jury in the first place... |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 19:25:30 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by The silence on Mon Dec 15 19:23:31 2014. Why not? Nobody is particularly lambasting the DA right now. But if he had never put the case before a grand jury they would be. |
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Posted by The silence on Mon Dec 15 19:33:25 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 19:25:30 2014. The case was always a non-starter and people refuse to accept that. You can't charge a person with a crime unless there is proof a crime was committed. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 19:37:55 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by The silence on Mon Dec 15 19:33:25 2014. You're contradicting yourself.The case was always a non-starter and people refuse to accept that ... If they honestly thought the case would go nowhere then they would have never brought the case before a grand jury in the first place... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 15 20:28:43 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by The silence on Mon Dec 15 19:23:31 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 15 20:30:03 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 19:25:30 2014. Excellent post. The DA only convened a grand jury for political cover. If it weren't for politics, there never would have been GJ proceedings. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 15 20:31:01 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 17:14:45 2014. It's so obvious. A prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 20:34:38 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 15 20:31:01 2014. I bet that's never actually happened. :) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Dec 15 20:43:27 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 07:58:44 2014. Conspiracy theories are just that. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 15 20:44:56 2014, in response to Re: Millions March!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Dec 15 20:43:27 2014. But how is Spider-Pig voicing a conspiracy theory? |
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