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Posted by subfan on Mon Jul 28 14:41:11 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 28 14:08:30 2014. To be honest, no - but it really doesn't change anything. My main point is that everyone can have their own opinions - but hey can't have their own facts. I've therefore been quite careful to make sure that every fact I've posted in this thread is independently verifiable.subfan |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 28 14:59:28 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 28 13:04:30 2014. " Do you even know how to use periods or commas? Or what ellipses are actually for? "I understand that you're making now asinine statements that "won't hold up any water," even if you wanted to. The more you even try to get at me, the more foolish you will look in other people's eyes. Do you get what I am saying? I could explain it in simpler terms that even a 1st grader could get it. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 28 15:01:25 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 13:33:48 2014. I know he's way older than me.....lets just say "he been around the block a few times....." |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 15:14:50 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Mon Jul 28 14:41:11 2014. who are you???!!!??? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 28 15:21:09 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 15:14:50 2014. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 28 15:46:27 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 15:14:50 2014. He's a MAN...so what's your excuse? eh? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 28 16:39:51 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 28 14:59:28 2014. You're just ranting and not posting anything of substance. Which is all your posts except where you copy and paste an article. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 28 16:40:28 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 28 15:01:25 2014. If I'm "way older" than you, that literally makes you a child. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 28 16:41:14 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 15:14:50 2014. A smart man. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 28 16:41:26 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 28 16:39:51 2014. TRUTH |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Jul 28 19:57:54 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 13:22:08 2014. Sic 'em, Brian. |
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Posted by Gamera on Mon Jul 28 20:07:21 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 01:08:16 2014. Nilet is JewishA self-hating one obviously |
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Posted by subfan on Mon Jul 28 20:24:54 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 15:14:50 2014. I'm just another guy, to be honest. I also just happen to be somewhat knowledgeable on this topic, and have no problem calling out those who spout half-truths and outright falsehoods because they're the PC flavor of the month.I have no problem having a reasonable debate, and can respectfully disagree on issues. Facts are facts, though - and if you want to make them up, then all bets are off. subfan |
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Posted by subfan on Mon Jul 28 20:30:13 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Mon Jul 28 20:24:54 2014. Oh, and FWIW - the only Subchatter I've ever met in person is Salam - we met by chance on an E train between Lexington and West 4th back around 2001, when he was making a rail fan window video. So no, you probably don't know me.subfan |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 28 21:14:55 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Mon Jul 28 20:30:13 2014. Well next time I'm in Israel I'll try to look you up. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 28 21:15:11 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Mon Jul 28 20:24:54 2014. I agree. That is my mantra as well. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 28 21:16:30 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 28 15:01:25 2014. How do you know that? How old do you think he is? Your answer will be interesting because I know how old he is. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:56:35 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 13:22:08 2014. What are you, an epistemological relativist? Use the facts as a metric. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:56:38 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Gamera on Mon Jul 28 20:07:21 2014. Non sequitur. Try again. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:56:44 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Mon Jul 28 20:30:13 2014. R32s on the E. Don't make me nostalgic. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:56:46 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 28 21:16:30 2014. How old is he?I've never met him, but I always imagined him as being in his 30s at the oldest. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:00 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 13:14:42 2014. Couldn't think of a snappy comeback? :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:05 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 28 08:46:25 2014. ... figurative typing mouth...OK, I'm going to quote that at people. Come on, though, you're seriously still pissed that I proved you wrong in the immigrant thread? Grow up and get the fuck over it already. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:13 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Mon Jul 28 13:51:27 2014. As to Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 - in what fantasy land did that not happen?OK, so you're saying that you live in some fantasy world where this didn't happen and Israel isn't considered to be occupying Gaza under international law. Which could explain why you support genocide so vigorously. Every single item I've mentioned above is independently verifiable - in contrast to the balderdash you're spewing. Um, just so you know— you can't just say something is an independently verifiable fact. You need to actually verify it. Like I did with the two links above. Go on, have at it - it's fun to watch you make yourself look foolish. I wish I could say it was "fun" watching you announce you support another Holocaust as long as you're doing the killing this time, but it's actually rather horrifying. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:15 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 28 14:08:30 2014. Are you still masturbating over that?Define "liberal." Define "conservative." Or shut up. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:18 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Mon Jul 28 14:41:11 2014. I've therefore been quite careful to make sure that every fact I've posted in this thread is independently verifiable.Lolwut? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:27 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 28 08:58:05 2014. No, but three words is exactly how long it took him to reach a polysyllabic word and realise he wasn't intelligent enough to comprehend the rest of the post. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:29 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 28 08:26:24 2014. He's trying to tell us that he isn't intelligent enough to understand any form of complexity and would appreciate it if we could limit ourselves to monosyllabic words, simple concepts, and various grunts.He's a bit self-conscious about his stupidity, though, so he doesn't like to say it outright. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:32 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 28 09:06:08 2014. Hamas was founded |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:35 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 28 06:49:16 2014. Announcing that you're proud to be ignorant just makes you look like a fool.Although if he doesn't read what I say either, it would explain why his response is complete gibberish. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:38 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 28 09:45:39 2014. Again with the "anal."Would you just find someone who will let you do that so you can get it out of your system? It's not like we can't notice here. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:41 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 28 09:48:22 2014. OK, um, I'm not sure if you noticed this, but there are actually words in the pictures and......hold up. Just hold up a moment. Oh, DUH! Of course! Your posts are, at best, incoherent and at worst completely ignore what you're responding to, and you've been repeatedly telling us that you can't read words in image files. You're a bot! You're a rude insulting chatbot, albeit one sophisticated enough to scan posts for image tags! Honestly, I should stop calling you a racist and just respond to everything you say with a CAPTCHA. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:44 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 28 09:01:25 2014. Nilet needs the final word on any conversation/rant he has here.No, but I suffer from SIWOTI syndrome and you've made no plans to stop being wrong. It feeds his ego. Oh, riiiiiiiiight, which is why I only visit SubChat in the downiest of my downtime. It's also why when he's here, there's two pages of crap within 15-30 minutes for everyone else to wade through. Actually, it's because I write posts in a text editor whenever I have 30 seconds to spare and then post them all at once when I have the time to get involved, after which you and a million other fetal alcohol syndrome addled fucktards feel the need to drool incoherently over them at length. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:47 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 28 11:31:19 2014. Everything you post is ridiculous. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:58 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 28 06:08:40 2014. So you get to define who is and isn't Jewish now?Hold on, let me add that to the list. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:58:15 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 28 08:24:07 2014. BTW....Mr. Olog has been noted as being anti-gay...Yeah, we all know he's anti-gay, but the point is it's a list of questions Olog can't answer. I need to hear it from him to take it off the list. After all, he has a long history of denouncing everything to the point of contradiction— he opposes literally any possible form of government, but when you say that makes him an anarchist he screams that he opposes anarchy as well. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 2 20:28:33 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 25 13:23:14 2014. Israel can't afford to lose the PR war in the US. It will also cost them, though a lesser amount (through disinvestment), if they lose it in Europe. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 2 20:31:39 2014, in response to Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 25 09:41:08 2014. IAWTP except for your last half sentence. Jews should live in Europe and anywhere that the government agrees to protect them, and can generally protect them, from harm.Would you have said in 1950 that blacks shouldn't live in the South (where there governmental protection then was far weaker than protection for Jews in almost all of Europe is now)? |
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Posted by subfan on Sun Aug 3 00:51:21 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:57:13 2014. You really want to start this up agin? OK, then, here we go...1. The Mavi Marmara - it has been independently documented and widely reported that Israel misjudged the amount of resistance its soldiers would face - that's why the soldiers did not board with the appropriate riot control-type equipment. The primary weapons carried by the Israelis were paint ball guns, intended to be used against well-meaning but misguided individuals who would put up primarily passive resistance. They were not expecting the hard core that were spoiling for a fight and attacked them with knives and iron bars. At that point, the soldiers responded with deadly force using their handguns - not the weapons you'd expect them to use if they'd boarded planning a massacre, no? As to the "humanitarian" nature of the voyage - that's a load of hogwash and you either know or should know it. Israel had said that the organizers were welcome to send the supplies to Gaza, so long as they were offloaded in Israel for inspection and then trucked in. The IHH specifically tried to run the blockade anyway to make a point - and in doing so, they knew that they'd be stopped and diverted. For what it's worth, Israel did ultimately send the supplies on the ships into Gaza - but it was found that the supplies were next to useless anyway, as the point had been to be stopped by those inhuman Israelis rather than to deliver supplies. Expired medicines, worn out clothing and the like - not very useful at all. A final point on this - Israel's blockade of Gaza has been found to be legal under international law. 2. Genocide accusations - my, those do seem to be popular, don't they. It is helpful, though, to understand what genocide actually is and see if that's what's taking place. I have yet to see a case where Israel has set out to kill the maximum number of members of a specific ethnic group with an eye towards wiping such group out, though there have, of course, been inadvertent civilian deaths. I'd contrast this with Hamas, which proudly proclaims its intent to kill Jews because they are Jews, and has done its best to do so when given the chance. Those rockets they're sending to Israel are most certainly not intended as science experiments - and if the Israeli death toll is not as high as you'd like it to be, well that's just to bad - we won't die to satisfy your warped view of proportionality. Finally, with respect to my points being independently verifiable - you, and anyone else reading this, don't need to take my word for anything I've said. Please do feel free to do a little research, and you can make your own judgment. Like I said, it's almost fun to show how wrong you are - though of course, you read that as glorying in the death and destruction taking place in Gaza. Of course I wish there'd be no fighting there, and not a single additional death on any side. The point is, though, I actually know enough about the facts and history to understand how we got to this point and who's really at fault, rather than reflexively blaming Israel since "they have an army, and there are so many dead Arab childen". Sorry, but as I said before - I won't die quietly just to make you feel better. subfan |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 3 01:20:20 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Sun Aug 3 00:51:21 2014. The Mavi Marmara. . . was the first Sharia flotilla. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 13:53:14 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Sun Aug 3 00:51:21 2014. Nice job completely contradicting yourself while acting like you haven't changed your opinion in the slightest.1. The Mavi Marmara - it has been independently documented and widely reported that Israel misjudged the amount of resistance its soldiers would face - that's why the soldiers did not board with the appropriate riot control-type equipment. Ah, so Israel launched an unprovoked attack on the boat but misjudged the extent to which its crew would defend themselves against said unprovoked attack. Gotcha. Israel had said that the organizers were welcome to send the supplies to Gaza, so long as they were offloaded in Israel for inspection and then trucked in. The IHH specifically tried to run the blockade anyway... A final point on this - Israel's blockade of Gaza has been found to be legal under international law. OK, so after claiming Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, you are now admitting that Israel never ended its occupation and has, in fact, been restricting access and supplies to the Gaza ghetto to keep it impoverished but that this isn't illegal under international law, which bans only the absolute worst offenses. Glad we're on the same page here. ...though there have, of course, been inadvertent civilian deaths. Inadvertent. Yuh huh. Israel deliberately targets civilians all the time and everyone knows it. That you would actually spew this propaganda means you're either terminally gullible, completely psychotic, or pro-genocide yourself. I'd contrast this with Hamas, which proudly proclaims its intent to kill Jews because they are Jews... Actually, comparing Israel and Hamas is a good idea. Hamas intends to kill Jews because they are Jews. It proudly proclaims this intent but rarely does it because they're powerless little pissants who don't have the firepower. Israel intends to kill Palestinians because they are Palestinians. It does so with great frequency, and then claims it totally didn't mean to despite this being a transparent lie. So basically they're both scum, but Hamas is honest scum, which is refreshing, and powerless scum, which is always nice to see. ...and if the Israeli death toll is not as high as you'd like it to be, well that's just to bad - we won't die to satisfy your warped view of proportionality. And here comes the ridiculous persecution complex. Why is it that every oppressor feels the need to declare themselves to be the "real" victim? Does it assuage your guilt at murdering Palestinian children? Finally, with respect to my points being independently verifiable - you, and anyone else reading this, don't need to take my word for anything I've said. Please do feel free to do a little research, and you can make your own judgment. Um, you may have noticed that I actually did the research, made my judgement, and shared my reasons for it by posting links. You, on the other hand, have simply asserted the truth of your statements repeatedly and then declared that there actually are sources that prove it, you just can't actually find any. Of course I wish there'd be no fighting there, and not a single additional death on any side. Oh please. This is just another line of Israeli government propaganda you're spouting. The point is, though, I actually know enough about the facts and history to understand how we got to this point and who's really at fault, rather than reflexively blaming Israel since "they have an army, and there are so many dead Arab childen". Right, you know the history so well you didn't even realise Israel was occupying Gaza this past decade until I pointed it out to you. I eagerly await your explanation for how Israel confined the Palestinians to a ghetto, deliberately kept them impoverished while regularly murdering them with missiles from a comfortable distance, but all of this is apparently their fault because a few are fighting back. After all, we shouldn't discriminate against child-murderers. Sorry, but as I said before - I won't die quietly just to make you feel better. OK, now you need to put, like, $50 in the Unnecessary Hyperbole Jar. Although claiming that you need to kill Palestinians lest they kill you sounds to me like you're advocating genocide so bonus points for honesty, I guess. |
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Posted by subfan on Sun Aug 3 17:02:24 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 13:53:14 2014. My, my, my, you do have a way with the half-truths and innuendos, don't you.1. The Mavi Marmara - I absolutely acknowledge that Israel intended to board the supposed humanitarian convoy against the wishes of those on board. Israel had announced well in advance that it would prevent the ships from docking in Gaza, and the thought was that as this was intended more as a symbolic gesture than a true blockade-running attempt, the resistance put up would be only passive and pro-forma. Based on this, the Israeli soldiers involved were not equipped with the weaponry that would have been generally used in either a true battle or in a violent crowd-control scenario - they did not have the normal combat rifles for battle or tear gas and stun grenades used for crowd control. Accordingly, when things got out of hand, the only weapons they had were their personal handguns - which were used when their lives were in danger. You can accuse Israel of poor planning and execution of the raid - that unquestionably was the case. Attributing malice, though, is pure falsehood. 2. I never said Israel continues to occupy Gaza - I said they are BLOCKADING Gaza. For those with simple minds, the definitions are: Occupying - having a physical presence on the ground Blockading - preventing/restricting entry and/or exit I have no issue acknowledging Israel's blockade of Gaza since 2007, when Hamas took over. You may consider this unjustified or overly restrictive, but don't make things up and say there's an occupation when there is no such thing - and don't try to put words in my mouth about this either. 3. "Israel deliberately targets civilians all the time and everyone knows it." That's a load of hooey and anyone with half a brain knows that. If Israel deliberately wanted to kill Arab civilians, they have plenty of means to do so - any modern army can easily do so. The fact that Israel sent infantry into Gaza - rather than just using its air force to blow the whole place to kingdom come - is specifically to minimize civilian casualties. You may believe they should exercise still more caution on this front, but the facts on the ground prove that there's no deliberate attempt to kill civilians. Yes, there are times that Israel may attack even when they know there are likely to be civilian casualties, but they do so when there is a military objective that is considered to be significant enough to justify the collateral damage. Like I said, war is hell, and innocent people get hurt - but you should look to those who deliberately base themselves and their weaponry amongst civilians for answers, and not those who are forced to confront them. 4. Comparing Israel and Hamas - Comparing the two is actually quite instructive. One deliberately targets civilians, the other tries to avoid them. Hamas has had a certain degree of success in killing civilians (think: suicide bombings) until Israel developed effective methods of stopping them. Israel has repeatedly given up the advantage of surprise to warn civilians in areas it plans on attacking in order to avoid taking lives - with Hamas then urging civilians to stay there as human shields. Tell me, if Israel was so eager to kill civilians, why would Hamas urge the civilians to stay in place? How would that help - it would just give Israel more civilians to kill? The answer is that even Hamas knows that Israel tries to avoid killing civilians, and therefore try to protect their military assets by keeping such civilians in place. So yes, you can absolutely compare Israel and Hamas - and it makes it blatantly obvious who values innocent life and who does not. 5. Independently verifiable - You are correct; I don't post links. There are two reasons for this - one, I'm on a smartphone, and it's rather difficult to track down links while keeping this site open, and two, I don't want to be accused of choosing sites that are slanted one way or the other - people can choose their own sites. The ones you've chosen, for the most part, are quite one-sided and propagandistic - they are "news" sites only in the broadest sense of the word. The facts I've posted should be easily findable on a number of well-known and respected news sites. 6. My "persecution complex" - well, I suppose having rockets shot at me and my family on a regular basis by people who repeatedly vow to kill us would have an impact on my world view. This is an academic exercise for you, but it's real life for me. So, while you may consider it hyperbole to say that no, I won't lay down and die nicely, hearing the explosions of rockets that have been sent by people who'd gladly see me and my family dead makes it quite real to me. It's kind of interesting - this time, you've not only been spouting off based on warped versions of events, you've actually even tried to twist my own words. You really are desperate, aren't you. subfan |
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Posted by Gamera on Sun Aug 3 17:23:18 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Sun Aug 3 17:02:24 2014. It's kind of interesting - this time, you've not only been spouting off based on warped versions of events, you've actually even tried to twist my own words. You really are desperate, aren't you.Perfect description of his debating style. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 18:13:17 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Sun Aug 3 17:02:24 2014. 1. The Mavi Marmara - I absolutely acknowledge that Israel intended to board the supposed humanitarian convoy against the wishes of those on board.OK, good. We agree that Israel is restricting supplies to Gaza in order to keep it impoverished. Accordingly, when things got out of hand, the only weapons they had were their personal handguns - which were used when their lives were in danger. It doesn't change the fact that Israel was the aggressor. If a burglar breaks into your house, would you seriously praise him for showing "restraint" by only bringing a knife instead of a gun and blame the homeowner for "making" him use it? Attributing malice, though, is pure falsehood. Israel launched a violent assault. Against a civilian ship. For the purpose of denying vital supplies to an oppressed people. Malice is obvious. 2. I never said Israel continues to occupy Gaza - I said they are BLOCKADING Gaza. Under international law, it's an occupation. Israel controls Gaza's ports and airspace and enforces martial law. 3. "Israel deliberately targets civilians all the time and everyone knows it." That's a load of hooey and anyone with half a brain knows that. If Israel deliberately wanted to kill blah blah blah blah blah OK, so now you're denying the missile strikes that make the fucking news. That means you're a liar, a retard, or you're simply inventing bullshit excuses to cover for the holocaust you wish would take place. At this point, I think we need someone to bash your face in so that I can explain to you how it wasn't deliberate because he totally meant to attack the burglar who broke into my house the other day and besides, he made sure to minimise the damage by leaving his brass knuckles at home. After all, if he deliberately wanted to hurt you, he could have just stabbed you with a knife. 4. Comparing Israel and Hamas - Comparing the two is actually quite instructive. One deliberately targets civilians, the other tries to avoid them. Israel deliberately targets civilians, and only a neo-Nazi like yourself would claim otherwise. Israel has repeatedly given up the advantage of surprise to warn civilians in areas it plans on attacking in order to avoid taking lives Right, Israel "warns" them five minutes in advance, knowing full well that they have nowhere to go because Israel is intentionally keeping them confined to a densely populated ghetto. So yes, you can absolutely compare Israel and Hamas - and it makes it blatantly obvious who values innocent life and who does not. It's blatantly obvious that neither Hamas nor Israel's current government have any regard for human life at all. Israel is just better equipped to take it. 5. Independently verifiable - You are correct; I don't post links. That much is obvious. Feel free to blame your phone for the fact that you can't find any links that aren't from a propaganda site. 6. My "persecution complex" - well, I suppose having rockets shot at me and my family on a regular basis by people who repeatedly vow to kill us would have an impact on my world view. This is an academic exercise for you, but it's real life for me. You've lied about everything else, so why should I believe you now? The supposed rockets are such a big deal that no one I know who actually lives in Israel has ever bothered to mention them. It seems to me like right wing extremist Israelis pointing to the rockets to justify war is like right wing extremist Americans pointing to 9/11 to justify war— the fact that neither they nor anyone they know was ever anywhere near the attacks or that the attacks are minor on a national scale doesn't deter them from claiming they had all four limbs blown off and crawled to safety with their lips and therefore every member of a particular race needs to be exterminated to "protect" them from the threat they never actually faced. Meanwhile, Palestinians spend their whole lives in poverty watching their friends and children murdered because people like you declare them an Inferior Race™ that needs to be wiped out. If you don't like people throwing rocks at you, then maybe you should stop breaking into their houses armed with machine guns. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 18:13:28 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Gamera on Sun Aug 3 17:23:18 2014. Considering that your "debating style" is to obstinately refuse to understand the simplest of facts and logic, you're not really in a position to comment. |
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Posted by Gamera on Sun Aug 3 18:19:35 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 18:13:28 2014. Yes - we refuse to understand your one-sided, biased so-called "facts" that you use to justify your position |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 18:21:43 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Gamera on Sun Aug 3 18:19:35 2014. Facts don't have bias or sides. They're just facts. That they contradict your poorly rationalised justifications for genocide and support my opposition to it don't make them one-sided or biased.That you pretend you can't understand them just makes you look like a sociopathic child. |
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Posted by Gamera on Sun Aug 3 18:22:47 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 18:13:17 2014. Israel deliberately targets civilians, and only a neo-Nazi like yourself would claim otherwiseYou are a bloody anti-semitic wanker |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 18:25:08 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Gamera on Sun Aug 3 18:22:47 2014. Considering that you approvingly quote neo-Nazi rants, you really should think twice about calling people antisemitic. |
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Posted by Gamera on Sun Aug 3 18:38:46 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 18:25:08 2014. so Star Trek was a neo-Nazi show according to you?http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708463/ |
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