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Posted by Gamera on Wed Jul 23 13:22:51 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:21:14 2014. you are not an atheist? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:24:04 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:20:18 2014. but it's certainly not a term used by JewsYes it is. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 13:24:06 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:20:18 2014. Only because Cherem is so rare that most Jews have never heard of it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 23 13:25:10 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:20:18 2014. It's still an excommunication process. Excommunication is not an exclusive term, it's basic vocabulary and a generic term. And Lutherans can excommunicate, although don't often do so.As for Jehvah's Witness, it's still an excommunication process. They can call it whatever they want officially, it still uses the generic excommunication term. And no, Mormons didn't "crib" the term, it's a generic term for whatever process they do to remove members. As for whether it is done by Jews, or a term they use, is irrelevant, the discussion was about your use of it being an exclusively Catholic process which is incorrect. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:25:37 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:21:26 2014. I told you who and what I am, I guess you enjoy being a mystery. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 13:28:13 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Gamera on Wed Jul 23 13:22:51 2014. That doesn't stop him from being "more closely involved with Judaism than any other religions." |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:28:13 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Gamera on Wed Jul 23 13:20:26 2014. Interesting. Thank you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:28:42 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:21:14 2014. So then to come to your conclusion, you certainly must have heard them repeatedly use some other English word that means the same thing. What was it? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:29:13 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:21:26 2014. *personal, not person |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:29:36 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:25:37 2014. I'm only a mystery to you. Others don't have the same problems you do. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:29:52 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:21:14 2014. Were you born Jewish? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:30:52 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 13:28:13 2014. Like Robert Sherman? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:31:48 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 23 13:25:10 2014. As for whether it is done by Jews, or a term they use, is irrelevant, the discussion was about your use of it being an exclusively Catholic process which is incorrect.No, he was saying that it's the Catholic word for it, not that it's a Catholic only process. He's acknowledging that other religions have similar processes. But he's saying that only Catholics call it excommunication. Which is wrong. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 13:34:08 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:30:52 2014. I don't know who that is. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:34:33 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:29:52 2014. No. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:34:35 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:28:42 2014. Actually, I hadn't heard anything of the sort. The idea of declaring people No Longer Jewish® was just not a done thing. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:36:38 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:29:36 2014. I'm pretty sure you're a dork. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:36:56 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 23 13:25:10 2014. I didn't say it was a Catholic process, I said it was a Catholic term. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:36:58 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Gamera on Wed Jul 23 13:22:51 2014. Yes, and? |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:37:00 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Gamera on Wed Jul 23 13:20:26 2014. So the correct term is "herem." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:39:41 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:29:52 2014. No, he converted, but then decided to just screw the whole thing and went his own way... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:40:06 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:36:38 2014. Oh yeah? How so? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 23 13:46:10 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:31:48 2014. Yes, that is incorrect. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 23 13:47:10 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:36:56 2014. But you are incorrect. It's not a "Catholic Term", it's a generic term. Catholics also use that generic term for their official process. But so do other religions. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:50:54 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:34:33 2014. OK, and thank you for answering without being condescending. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:53:14 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 13:34:08 2014. Robert Sherman. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 23 13:53:28 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:34:35 2014. And how often do you think Catholics (or other religions) do it?I'll answer the Catholic one for you, Not Very Often: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_excommunicated_by_the_Roman_Catholic_Church |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:58:22 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:40:06 2014. You're a railfan right? Most railfans are dorks. Me, I admit it. I am a dork. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:59:44 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:37:00 2014. Yes. I knew you were a genius. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 14:02:24 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 13:39:41 2014. You know Nilet personally? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 14:06:20 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:34:35 2014. Whoa, you're admitting that you didn't know something?!!?!!? (Not that I'm saying that's what excommunication means.) |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 23 14:12:46 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:37:00 2014. Not in English. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 23 14:19:28 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 14:02:24 2014. Yes. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 23 14:20:00 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:58:22 2014. I disagree. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 23 14:23:19 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 13:34:33 2014. So only your dad is Jewish? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 23 15:19:18 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 23 14:23:19 2014. How does that work? I know the mother is supposed to be the one Jewish. I have some friends (brother and sister), in their 30's. Their father is Jewish, their mother Italian Catholic. They were "raised" Jewish, and both of them have children, and the woman (sister) is raising the little girl Jewish. (I guess what you would call Reform Jewish?).In any event, they had all their ceremonies (Bris, Bar Mitzvah, etc). How does it work with the woman and her children? (Remember, her mother was not Jewish, but her father was, and she was raised Jewish, and now raising her little girl Jewish (although her husband is not Jewish) Confused yet? In that case, the little girl's mother is Jewish (although remember, the grandmother was not). The brother also married a non Jewish woman, even though he was raised Jewish, although they are not raising their sons Jewish. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 15:25:31 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 23 15:19:18 2014. The children are not Jewish unless they were formally converted. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 23 15:44:03 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 15:25:31 2014. I assume they were, as they did all the ceremonies. So if the mother (converted to Judiasm) is Jewish, their little girl would be too I assume, even if the grandmother was not Jewish? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 23 15:47:21 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 23 15:44:03 2014. you can't convert to Judaism.nor can a Jew convert to a religion. It doesn't work that way. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 15:54:27 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 23 15:47:21 2014. FALSE! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 23 16:08:54 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 15:54:27 2014. Really?You can alter your DNA? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 16:12:41 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 23 16:08:54 2014. Judaism is a religion. It has nothing to do with DNA. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 23 16:18:17 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 23 16:08:54 2014. Ignoring for a moment that Judaism is a religion and not an inherited trait, what would you say about people some of whose ancestors are clearly ethnically Jewish (all known ancestors are Jewish) and some of whose ancestors are clearly not Jewish (no known ancestors are Jewish)? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 23 16:20:29 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 16:12:41 2014. That is incorrect.You're as wrong as AlM. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 23 16:42:48 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 23 16:20:29 2014. Ah, you're saying I'm wrong, but you're not answering my question where I assume for the moment that you are right. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 23 19:29:17 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 23 16:20:29 2014. I know far more about Judaism than you. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 20:38:17 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 23 13:47:10 2014. Your own links suggest otherwise. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 20:38:33 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 23 13:50:54 2014. It was a serious question. No point in being condescending when someone asks a serious question. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 20:41:21 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 23 14:23:19 2014. I'd have to ask him, but it doesn't matter either way— nobody is born into a religion, as babies lack the capacity for abstract thought necessary for religious membership. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 23 20:41:21 2014, in response to Re: These self hating Jews should all be excommunicated, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 23 16:20:29 2014. Ooh, I'm afraid you've dipped below 94.1% there. |
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