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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 10:55:04 2006 Another tale of woe from today's Times:Talks to resolve the fate of ground zero broke down last night shortly before midnight when a last-minute counterproposal from Larry A. Silverstein, the developer of the site, caused state officials to accuse him of negotiating in bad faith ... no new bargaining sessions had been scheduled. In all likelihood, the impasse will cause a delay in the groundbreaking for the Freedom Tower. Looks like we're facing many more years of an empty hole downtown. People everywhere else in the country must be convinced that New Yorkers are a bunch of retards, in the unlikely event they didn't think so already. May God damn New York. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 11:16:39 2006, in response to It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 10:55:04 2006. This was to be expected. Once the towers fell, and the shcok wore off, and I began thinking about it. I KNEW that I would never see something built there in my lifetime. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 11:25:07 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 11:16:39 2006. This was to be expected. Once the towers fell, and the shcok wore off, and I began thinking about it. I KNEW that I would never see something built there in my lifetime.At this point the Port Authority should just fill in the hole and make it a park. It wouldn't contribute much of anything to the economy but at least wouldn't be so unsightly. We lost the war, and now we've lost the peace too. In the long run, maybe at some point the city's economy will collapse, it will go into municipal bankruptcy, and the federal board appointed to run its affairs will decide to do something about Ground Zero. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 11:33:45 2006, in response to It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 10:55:04 2006. I say rebuild the twin towers |
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Posted by UWS Greg on Wed Mar 15 12:16:41 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 11:25:07 2006. Oh, good idea! Let's create a "federal board" to decide what New York City needs. Might I suggest that the board consist of Lynn Cheney, Trent Lott and Carl Rove??Somebody hand me a razor blade so I can slit my wrist. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 12:21:19 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by UWS Greg on Wed Mar 15 12:16:41 2006. Oh, good idea! Let's create a "federal board" to decide what New York City needs. Might I suggest that the board consist of Lynn Cheney, Trent Lott and Carl Rove??Somebody hand me a razor blade so I can slit my wrist. New York is so horribly, incompetently, retarded-ly run today that almost anything's got to be an improvement. There is no valid reason whatsoever why the Ground Zero reconstruction shouldn't be nearing completion by now. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 12:47:12 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 11:33:45 2006. WADR, I say rebuild this . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 12:47:59 2006, in response to It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 10:55:04 2006. You're cursing New York because of this . . . ? Sounds like you're being petty. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 12:49:32 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 12:21:19 2006. The Port Authority ought to essentially sue Silverstein and tell him to fuck off. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 13:22:28 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 12:47:59 2006. You're cursing New York because of this . . . ? Sounds like you're being petty.Not at all. One of the best tests of character that any person or entity can face is the ability to snap back from adversity. History is replete with stories of cities that have made speedy recoveries from destructive events. Chicago and San Francisco began rebuilding almost immediately after the fire of 1871 and the earthquake of 1906, respectively, and were larger and more prosperous in less than a decade. Cities such as Berlin made very quick recoveries from war destruction. A more tangible example is Kobe, Japan, which was almost completely devastated by a huge earthquake around a decade ago. Its total economic output recovered so quickly that it exceeded pre-earthquake levels in less than eighteen months. Compare to New York. It's been four and a half years, and there hasn't been even the barest glimmer of recovery. Not a shovelful of dirt has been turned. No one even knows for sure what form the rebuilt Ground Zero should take. New York deserves all the blame and punishment possible for what is nothing short of a mega f***-up. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 13:24:24 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 13:22:28 2006. Um, then how come I'm able to take a PATH train to the WTC stop? |
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Posted by Allan on Wed Mar 15 13:33:40 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 11:33:45 2006. Why? Just because?There is a glut of office space in lower Manhattan now and there was one when the Towers were standing. A good portion of the Towers were vacant and the Port Authority could not get tenants (they won't admit it but I can assure you it was so). These days you are not going to get anyone willing to occupy a floor above, lets say, 50 or 60 so any structure above that would be wasted space. I say they should put up buildings that will be practical. The time to "show-up the terrorists" has past because since things have taken so long just to get this far the impact has been lost. The families of the 9/11 victims will never agree on what should be built because most don't want anything to be built there at all. They prefer an open air memorial with nothing above it. I do not agree with their assessment that it is a cemetary since there is nothing left (at least nothing we can see) of what you would find in a cemetary - bodies. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 13:40:37 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Allan on Wed Mar 15 13:33:40 2006. cross the street. There's a cemetary over THERE. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Mar 15 13:54:30 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 13:24:24 2006. And there should be something ABOVE the stop! If competent minds ran the operation (or rather, if everyone responded to ONE person---or if the PANYNJ's lease of the airports were put on the line (Bloomberg has extended the leases), then we would be seeing AT WORST, the initial part of the Freedom Tower going up. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 15 13:57:30 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 13:40:37 2006. And a fascinating one at that. Alexander Hamilton is buried there. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 13:57:48 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Allan on Wed Mar 15 13:33:40 2006. There is a glut of office space in lower Manhattan now and there was one when the Towers were standing. A good portion of the Towers were vacant and the Port Authority could not get tenants (they won't admit it but I can assure you it was so).The official line was that after years of persistently high vacancies, the towers had finally reached near 100% occupancy just before 9/11. Of course it's possible that some space was mostly vacant as the tenants sought to sublet it. These days you are not going to get anyone willing to occupy a floor above, lets say, 50 or 60 so any structure above that would be wasted space. I don't know. Taller skyscrapers are popping up in Asian cities and don't seem to be encountering any such resistance. Unless people think that the United States is a more likely target, a questionable assumption at best. I say they should put up buildings that will be practical. The time to "show-up the terrorists" has past because since things have taken so long just to get this far the impact has been lost. I agree. It may well be that twin 110-story towers are not be the most practical use of space (those aforementioned Asian skyscrapers are motivated as much by ego as by economics). The trouble is, building nothing is far more wasteful. As for showing up the terrorists, we've already shown them that they won. What with the USA Patriot Act, the Department of Homeland Security, all the frantic talk about the Clash of Civilizations and the Caliphate, and most of all the invasion of Iraq, it's abundantly clear that America suffered a complete and humiliating defeat. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Mar 15 13:59:19 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 12:49:32 2006. How is it Silverstein's fault? Do you think he's happy about having paid rent for the last 4.5 years for a hole in the ground? |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 14:03:24 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Charles G on Wed Mar 15 13:59:19 2006. They should have bought him out and put it out for bids. Trump knows what to do. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:03:25 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 15 13:57:30 2006. Didn't know that Hamilton was buried there, and I've been to it multiple times. Where in the cemetery did I forget to look? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 15 14:05:05 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:03:25 2006. Just a thought: Hamilton's grave site? |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed Mar 15 14:12:53 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 15 13:57:30 2006. St Peter’s or Trinity Wall St? |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 14:13:21 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 11:33:45 2006. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 14:14:42 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 12:47:12 2006. 
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:15:05 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 15 14:05:05 2006. If I can find Hamilton's grave site. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 14:15:32 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 13:24:24 2006. Yeah, what do you see when you walk outside from that stop. I'll give you a clue. CLouds or blue sky. So what if the train goes there to terminate in the middle of a pit. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:17:03 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 14:15:32 2006. I also see a new skyscraper going up on the northern flank. So? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 14:20:13 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:17:03 2006. So what, that's 7 WTC. We're talking about the main part of the pit. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:25:17 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 14:20:13 2006. Larry Silverstein is being a pain in the ass. Someone oughta sic Donny Trump on him or some real estate dude who knows better than to be a moron. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:31:42 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 14:14:42 2006.  w000t! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 14:37:26 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:31:42 2006. Fool. Have a wet dream. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 14:39:28 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:25:17 2006. I really don't think he wants to pay rent for a hole in the ground.There are a lot of bureaucratic forces keeping this project down. Either way, it's an embarrasment that there is still a huge hole in the ground there, with not even a sign of reconstruction. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 14:41:15 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 14:37:26 2006. Alright, I'm sorry, that was mean. But you are driving me insane with this stuff. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 14:44:33 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:31:42 2006. Boy, she was laughing her cute little tookies off at you, Rabies. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 14:47:01 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 14:20:13 2006. So what, that's 7 WTC. We're talking about the main part of the pit.Silverstein dropped the "WTC" part from the building's name thinking that would make it easier to find tenants. It's now known by the street address. Not that it's gotten any tenants. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:51:42 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 15 14:41:15 2006. Not your fault. BIE was being a moron and she wasn't being nice, so I replied to her picture of DRANO accordingly. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 15:06:55 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:51:42 2006. 
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 15:12:13 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 15:06:55 2006. Okay, this is my reply to her image of "RABIES - A Disease With Teeth":you ugly woman, you! |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 15:12:49 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 15:12:13 2006. (I was thinking of the tubgirl pic, but that wouldn't be safe for work.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 16:21:52 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 14:14:42 2006. Nah, if I wanted this, I'd be da phoam . . . |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 16:48:25 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 16:21:52 2006. Did you catch how Rabies gou your back.
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 16:54:30 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 16:48:25 2006. Yeah . . . das ist OK . . . |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 15 17:09:29 2006, in response to It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 10:55:04 2006. Last week they announced 15 new towers being planned for Altanta. Actually 3 of them are being built currentlyAndtoday they just announced 5 18-story towers for a $800million Intercontinental Hotel in Orlando Will be the largest Intercontinental in North America. :) Yea, you guys are retards. Which I find sad, because outside of NY, and if you're not country, a lot of people would like to try to live there for a while. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 17:29:35 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:51:42 2006. Who wasn't being nice? |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 17:31:26 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 15 13:57:30 2006. No, Alexander Hamilton is buried in the Trinity Church yard. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 17:33:13 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 14:03:25 2006. You forgot to look in another cemetery, because Hamilton was NOT buried in St. Paul's Chapel's churchyard. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 17:34:02 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 17:29:35 2006. He called me a woman and said I wasn't being nice.
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 17:40:18 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 13:57:48 2006. There's nothing wrong with the Department of Homeland Security, only the name sucks. Most countries have the same functions vested in a Ministry of the Interior, a name which we've squandered for our land management agency.As for your claims of defeat, lots of crybabies claimed that the US lost the Cold War at various points, such as when the Korean War ended, or the Berlin Wall was built. In the case of something as abstract and completely stupid as "the War on Terror." It's impossible to say whether anyone has won, and fear is the most efficient tool for maintaining power. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 17:55:28 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 14:47:01 2006. Silverstein dropped the "WTC" part from the building's nameFALSE |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Mar 15 18:17:50 2006, in response to It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 10:55:04 2006. I am just sick and tired of the so-called 9/11 families demanding that the entire space be left vacant into eternity. If Europe or Japan had created war memorials instead of rebuilding after WWII - there would be nothing there today..A small memorial - yes - Empty space - NO!!!! |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 18:50:19 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BMTLines on Wed Mar 15 18:17:50 2006. I call them necrocrats. |
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