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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Mar 3 18:25:28 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 3 17:13:52 2013.

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The FReeperFReaks want to have a Khristian version of that here. STOP THEM!!!

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 3 18:54:53 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 3 17:16:09 2013.

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Almost seems like a hollow victory. Just too easy.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by Allan on Mon Mar 4 09:19:40 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 3 17:13:52 2013.

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As if wasn't this expected to happen?

It is going to get worse I am sure.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 4 10:41:44 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 3 17:13:52 2013.

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And what do you propose should be done about this?

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 4 13:34:38 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 4 10:41:44 2013.

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That's not the question. The question is, why did the US government help along the advent of this in the first place?

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 4 13:35:24 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by Allan on Mon Mar 4 09:19:40 2013.

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The libs did not expect this to happen. They kept equating the Muslim Brotherhood with the secular liberals in Egypt . . . that is, until they no longer could.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by kew gardens teleport on Mon Mar 4 15:50:45 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 4 13:34:38 2013.

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I agree that it looks foolish in retrospect, but my question remains a valid one at present. Is the best course of action blanket asylum to Copts, or is there an affordable way of keeping them in their own country?

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 4 15:57:25 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by kew gardens teleport on Mon Mar 4 15:50:45 2013.

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What looks foolish in retrospect? What could the US have done to prevent the current situation other than an occupation of Egypt that would have made Iraq look like small change?

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by kew gardens teleport on Mon Mar 4 18:02:05 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 4 15:57:25 2013.

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What could the US have done to prevent the current situation other than an occupation of Egypt that would have made Iraq look like small change?

Arming Mubarak.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 4 18:22:02 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by kew gardens teleport on Mon Mar 4 18:02:05 2013.

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Arming Mubarak.

What makes you think Mubarak had a shortage of weapons? Unless you wanted him to bomb whole populations of civilians off the map?

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Mar 4 18:40:41 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 4 18:22:02 2013.

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Sarin.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 5 02:20:00 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by kew gardens teleport on Mon Mar 4 18:02:05 2013.

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We armed Mubarak to the tune of billions of $$$ year.

You must have missed it.

His military gave up on him.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police

Posted by daNd124 on Tue Mar 5 02:38:08 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts; unleashes its version of the Morality Police, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 3 17:13:52 2013.

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you should be happy about this!

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Egypt Revolts; Islamist politicians accuse US Pilgrims of cannibalizing Indians

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 7 19:44:12 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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MEMRI TV
March 4, 2013

Egyptian Islamist Politician Hussam Abu Al-Bukhari: The Founders of America Would Eat the Flesh of the Indians

Following are excerpts from an address by Egyptian Islamist politician Hussam Abu Al-Bukhari, which was posted on the Internet on March 4, 2013.

Hussam Abu Al-Bukhari: We are completely unaware that we are in a real conflict — a religious conflict, a cultural conflict, a conflict over countries, over values, over everything.

Since we are talking about America, we should consider how it came into being. America was founded through the genocide of the indigenous people of North America, South America, and Australia. American civilization was founded only after their complete annihilation.

I’ve brought a very important book with me, titled America: The Cultural Genocides. It by is Munir Akash. This book discusses the genocides, providing documentation about its different types. It discusses the genocide of the people they named “Indians.” They killed hundreds of millions.

An entire chapter in this book is devoted to the eating of the flesh of the Indians. It is an entire chapter on how the Americans — or the British immigrants, who were referred to as “pilgrims” — would kill the Indians and then eat them — cooked, barbecued, made into kebabs, you name it… Not just that, sometimes they would killed them for the purpose of eating them. […]

Dr. Akash quotes studies from British, Australian, and American universities, showing that since Columbus and to this day, not a single document has proven that the indigenous people were cannibals. On the contrary, the cannibalism emerged from English culture. There were books explaining how to eat human flesh. […]

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamist politicians accuse US Pilgrims of cannibalizing Indians

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 7 20:05:08 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts; Islamist politicians accuse US Pilgrims of cannibalizing Indians, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 7 19:44:12 2013.

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Cool! Tehran finally got AMC on their cable lineup! :

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamist politicians accuse US Pilgrims of cannibalizing Indians

Posted by Allan on Fri Mar 8 08:56:31 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts; Islamist politicians accuse US Pilgrims of cannibalizing Indians, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 7 19:44:12 2013.

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Well, they have to do something to get the minds of the Egyptian people off of the mess the Brotherhood has gotten itself into.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamist politicians accuse US Pilgrims of cannibalizing Indians

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 8 11:14:48 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts; Islamist politicians accuse US Pilgrims of cannibalizing Indians, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 7 19:44:12 2013.

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This is interesting, since at the DNC convention last election they were going on about how the Indians spoke arabic.


Just like the cannibals of Egypt today, nothing changes :) Put that on some arab boards and go wild.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamist politicians accuse US Pilgrims of cannibalizing Indians

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 8 11:42:58 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamist politicians accuse US Pilgrims of cannibalizing Indians, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 8 11:14:48 2013.

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That Hezbollah fellow Fadlallah spoke at the DNC?

I know he said this crazy stuff on Lebanon's Al-Manar TV back in 2005.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamist politicians accuse US Pilgrims of cannibalizing Indians

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 8 13:19:48 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamist politicians accuse US Pilgrims of cannibalizing Indians, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 8 11:42:58 2013.

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That's one of my favorite clips. But it was an american, believe it was a CAIR leader(not 100% sure, and good luck finding those articles) who was lecturing about this in Charlotte.

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Egypt Revolts; security forces ban showing of documentary about Egyptian Jews

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 15 02:07:12 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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How do you say "Judenrein" in Arabic?

Associated Press

Egypt stops screening of film on Jewish community

By Sarah El Deeb
Mar. 12, 2013 5:21 PM EDT
CAIRO (AP) — Egyptian security agencies have stopped the screening of a documentary on the Egyptian Jewish community a day before it was due to debut in local cinemas, the film producer said in a statement Tuesday.

He said no reasons were given.

The "Jews of Egypt", a documentary that follows the lives of the Egyptian Jewish community in the first half of the 20th century until they left under duress in large numbers in the late 1950s, was screened in Egypt last year in a private film festival and had been approved by censorship, a regular procedure in Egypt.

Film producer Haytham el-Khamissy said he heard from the chief of the censorship authority that a security agency asked to view the movie before granting it a license to be shown in theaters.

"I was shocked when he told me this and when I learned that this had already happened" before the 2012 festival screening, el-Khamissy said in a statement posted on the film's official Facebook page.

"There is no excuse for this except delay and obstruction," he said. "I announce the delay of the screening of 'Jews of Egypt' until a solution is found for this inexplicable problem, inherited from long years in the parlors of the Egyptian state securities and which aim to terrorize thought and repress creativity."

Under the former regime of autocratic leader Hosni Mubarak, security authorities kept a tight lid on discussions of religion and minority groups, occasionally banning books or rejecting movie scripts that dealt with such issues.

It was not possible to reach officials for comments late Tuesday.

The film was also screened in the U.S. It was due to debut in three theaters in Egypt Wednesday.

The film director Amir Ramses describes it as a documentary about the cosmopolitan Egypt in the early 20th century, asking, "how did the Jews of Egypt turn in the eyes of Egyptians from partners in the same country to enemies?"

The film is based on testimonies of researchers, political figures and exiled Egyptian Jews.

Egypt's once thriving Jewish community largely left Egypt more than 60 years ago amid hostilities between Egypt and Israel. Estimates say about 65,000 Jews left Egypt since the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, most of them traveling to Europe and the West. Some settled in Israel.

Their departure was fueled by rising nationalist sentiment during the Arab-Israeli wars, harassment and some direct expulsions by then-President Gamal Abdel-Nasser, and attacks on Jewish properties.

Only scores of Jews, most of them elderly, remain in Egypt. Synagogues are heavily guarded and are mainly tourist sites now.

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Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 15 11:24:18 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Christian Science Monitor

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood says UN proposal on women will destroy the world

The Muslim Brotherhood of Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi has greeted a UN proposal designed to reduce violence against women with unabashed horror.

By Dan Murphy, Staff writer
March 14, 2013
Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, the power behind President Mohamed Morsi, usually makes its more incendiary statements in Arabic only. But such was the movement's horror at a United Nations proposal to reduce violence against women that it issued a statement in English today complaining that "the complete disintegration of society" would result if the UN adopts a set of recommendations from its Commission on the Status of Women.

While I haven't read the document in question, judging from the Brothers' response, the UN thinks it would be useful to raise the age of marriage, decriminalize homosexuality, make contraceptives more readily available, and give unmarried mothers the same rights as married ones. The Brothers are not pleased:

"The document includes articles that contradict established principles of Islam, undermine Islamic ethics and destroy the family, the basic building block of society, according to the Egyptian Constitution," the movement wrote. "This declaration, if ratified, would lead to complete disintegration of society, and would certainly be the final step in the intellectual and cultural invasion of Muslim countries, eliminating the moral specificity that helps preserve cohesion of Islamic societies."

A concern about cultural colonization is what spurred the foundation of the Muslim Brothers 80 years ago. Leading early Brotherhood member and influential thinker Sayyid Qutb (an earlier version of this article incorrectly called him a "founding member"), executed by the Nasser regime in the 1960s for his activism, spent time in the late 1940s in the US and was horrified by what he considered the country's loose morals and materialism. A desire to preserve Egypt and Islam from what its leaders view as an external, hostile onslaught remains at the forefront of their agenda today.

They are terrified that the modern world is dragging Egyptians back to jahalliya, the age of ignorance before the coming of Islam, and made that clear in their complaint today. "These are destructive tools meant to undermine the family as an important institution," they complained of the UN proposal. "They would subvert the entire society, and drag it to pre-Islamic ignorance."

It's hardly a surprise that the Muslim Brotherhood is opposed to equal rights for women in society. But the vehemence of today's statement, directed at a UN committee document that will have no binding authority over any member state, let alone Egypt, is striking. At least there's admirable clarity from the Brothers on where they stand. Some of their complaints are on specifically religious grounds, some related more to cultural attitudes toward women that require them to be subservient to men.

Below is their list of what "decadence awaits our world" if the UN passes this violence against women document:
  1. Granting girls full sexual freedom, as well as the freedom to decide their own gender and the gender of their partners (i.e. choose to have heterosexual or homosexual relationships), while raising the age of marriage.

  2. Providing contraceptives for adolescent girls and training them to use those, while legalizing abortion to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, in the name of sexual and reproductive rights.

  3. Granting equal rights to adulterous wives and illegitimate sons resulting from adulterous relationships.

  4. Granting equal rights to homosexuals, and providing protection and respect for prostitutes.

  5. Giving wives full rights to file legal complaints against husbands accusing them of rape or sexual harassment, obliging competent authorities to deal husbands punishments similar to those prescribed for raping or sexually harassing a stranger.

  6. Equal inheritance (between men and women).

  7. Replacing guardianship with partnership, and full sharing of roles within the family between men and women such as: spending, child care and home chores.

  8. Full equality in marriage legislation such as: allowing Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, and abolition of polygamy, dowry, men taking charge of family spending, etc.

  9. Removing the authority of divorce from husbands and placing it in the hands of judges, and sharing all property after divorce.

  10. Canceling the need for a husband’s consent in matters like: travel, work, or use of contraception.
It's also worth remembering that Egypt is gripped in a financial and political crisis, yet the Brothers would prefer to fight quixotic battles against foreign "subversive immorality."

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 15 11:38:23 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 15 11:24:18 2013.

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So basically what you're saying is that they're turning republican. Sounds like PNAC was successful over there after all. :)

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society

Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 15 12:12:10 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 15 11:38:23 2013.

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They took the 2012 republican platform and copied it. Oh the plagiarism!!!!

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 15 12:13:02 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 15 12:12:10 2013.

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Sure hope them Egyp-sheens like their tax cut. :)

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 15 18:04:30 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 15 11:38:23 2013.

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The truth has nothing to do with parties.
Unless you mean looking at the parties the democrats throw on themselves.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 15 18:08:44 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 15 18:04:30 2013.

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FWIW, wasn't the democrats that handed Iraq to Iran, wasn't the democrats who set up the "Arab spring" either ... that is unless Wolfowitz, Cheney and the rest all converted. :)

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 15 18:47:33 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 15 18:08:44 2013.

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You mean Obama's Spring was done by the republicans?

doesn't matter, they're right. Society is destroyed.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 15 18:50:30 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 15 18:47:33 2013.

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Sure. Obama's a Republican too, dincha know?

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 15 19:17:16 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 15 18:50:30 2013.

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Ask any lib ... he sure does seem to be working that team ...

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 15 19:18:03 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood claims UN women's rights proposal will destroy society, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 15 18:47:33 2013.

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So then he isn't a Muslim after all? Wolfowitz and Cheney sure don't sound very Indonesian to me. :)

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Egypt Revolts—Lynchings Abound

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 18 20:35:50 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Associated Press

Egypt justice minister dismayed by lynchings

By Aya Batrawy
Mar. 18, 2013 4:54 PM EDT
CAIRO (AP) — Egypt's justice minister warned Monday that the lynching of criminals in the streets by angry citizens is a sign of the "death of the state."

On Sunday, vigilantes hung two suspected thieves in a rural Nile Delta village as a crowd of thousands watched, and some of them egged on the killers.

Justice Minister Ahmed Mekki indicated that the killers may have seen themselves as implementing a strict form of Islamic law that calls for punishment of thieves and other outlaws whose crimes are so extreme, they disrupt society.

"The application of Islamic justice on outlaws by citizens and the cutting off of roads is one of the signs of the death of the state," Mekki was quoted as telling the Turkish Anadolu news agency.

He said only the state is authorized to use force and if this right is transferred to citizens, there is no state.

"A state that allows this is an unjust state because it does not afford its people protection," he said.

Since Islamists took power in Egypt following the 2011 uprising, there have been a number of cases where civilians tried to enforce more conservative, Islamic mores on the public.

In one such case, three men were convicted of killing a student in the city of Suez as he sat in a park with his fiancée. The assailants had argued with the victim for loitering in public with a woman who was not his wife.

In another example, a teacher in the southern city of Luxor allegedly punished two 12-year-old schoolgirls by cutting their hair for not wearing the traditional Muslim headscarf.

Witnesses to the lynchings depicted it purely as a revenge killing without pointing to any connection to enforcing Islamic law, or Shariah.

The killings came a week after the attorney general called for citizen arrests amid a police strike and sharp deterioration in security.

The men were hanged in the village of Mahallit Zayad, part of Samanod district in Gharbiya province, about 55 miles (90 kilometers) north of Cairo.

Security officials, a witness and a local rights activist, Diaa Mahalawi, said residents suspected the two men who were lynched were part of a gang of kidnappers who abduct girls and boys for ransom. At least one girl told a rights activist that she had been raped during her abduction by one such gang in the village.

The lynching of the two, who were also accused of stealing a motorized rickshaw, was one of the most extreme cases of vigilantism in two years of sharp deterioration in security following Egypt's 2011 uprising.

Because of conservative cultural norms in rural areas like Mahallit Zayad, girls have not reported a single rape allegation to police, according to security officials and residents, including Mahalawi. The security officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak to the media.

Residents in Gharbiya province, among them a spokesman for Egypt's dominant political group, the Muslim Brotherhood, say people do not trust the police there to act on reports of rape.

Rights activist Mahalawi said people in Gharbiya are feeling hopeless.

"There is no security in the country," he said. "Meanwhile, the regime is trying to secure the presidential palace and the Muslim Brotherhood headquarters," he said, referring to the heavy security presence outside the offices of President Mohammed Morsi's Islamist group following violent protests there.

Mahalawi, who heads the human rights committee of the liberal opposition Wafd Party in the village where the lynchings took place, told the AP that he saw for the first time in Mahallit Zayad trucks packed with riot police outside the local police station on Monday.

A day earlier, a witness said those behind the lynching had taken the bodies to that police station and dumped them at the front door.

Mahalawi said that with no government or security taking action, people took matters into their own hands. He said that a girl had been raped and held a few days before the lynching and that her parents, with donations from residents, were able to pay a ransom and free her.

"The people are asking themselves why they should abide by the law," he said, blaming the president and his Brotherhood party for the chaos.

Brotherhood spokesman in the nearby city of Mahalla, Atef Bayouni, told the AP that police are to blame. He said they are not carrying out their duties in full in the area and that the lack of security has given free rein to criminals to do what they want.

"Had the police dealt with thugs directly, the situation would not have deteriorated like this," Bayouni said.

He said there are people who want the return of the old authoritarian regime and are being paid to create chaos and bring down Morsi, who took office last summer.

Another Brotherhood spokesman in the province repeated the same allegation about police.

In the most recent abduction case in Mahallit Zayad, security officials said that on Monday, a mother and daughter were released after relatives paid 60,000 Egyptian pounds (almost $9,000) in ransom.

The police were not involved in their release.

It was the latest example of how citizens have taken matters into their own hands following the 2011 uprising that ousted longtime authoritarian ruler Hosni Mubarak. The country's once powerful and feared police force was left weakened after the revolt.

The city of Mahalla was at a standstill for the second straight day on Monday due to a shortage in diesel, another one of Egypt's many crises. Microbus drivers had cut off the main roads there to protest the shortages, which barred policemen from reaching the scene of the lynchings, according to security officials.

Egyptians angry with police for decades of abuse under Mubarak and the use of lethal force against protesters have clashed with security forces during rallies against his democratically elected successor, Morsi.

For four months, protesters have held a sit-in in Cairo's Tahrir Square against Morsi. Protesters burnt a police vehicle there on Monday during another attempt by police to clear the sit-in.

Also on Monday, the country's top prosecutor ordered the arrest of 15 protesters and three Brotherhood guards for alleged involvement in an assault on journalists outside the group's headquarters over the weekend after activists spray painted anti-Brotherhood graffiti on the street outside the office.

The opposition accuses Morsi of trying to monopolize power, reneging on promises of reform and of failing to improve the country's poor economy. Nearly half of Egypt's around 85 million people live at or below the poverty line of $2 or less a day.

Also frustrated, thousands of officers and low-ranking policemen have broken ranks, staging protests and waging strikes against what they say is the politicization of the force by Morsi. Some of the striking police officers allege that the Muslim Brotherhood is attempting to control them. The Brotherhood denies that.

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Egypt Revolts; Moody's downgrades credit rating from B3 to Caa1, citing default risk

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 21 13:31:59 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Reuters

Moody's cuts Egypt's rating on 'unsettled' political conditions

Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:12am EDT
Moody's Investors Service on Thursday downgraded Egypt's sovereign foreign currency credit rating to Caa1 form B3, citing unsettled political conditions, and said risks of a default have increased.

The government's inability to secure financing from the International Monetary Fund has exacerbated a lack of predictability in the Middle East nation's economy and fiscal policies.

The outlook on the credit is negative, Moody's said in a statement.

Egypt is rated one notch higher at B-minus with a negative outlook by Standard & Poor's while Fitch Ratings has Egypt two notches higher at B with a negative outlook.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Lynchings Abound (accused car thief lynched)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 22 17:53:05 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts—Lynchings Abound, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 18 20:35:50 2013.

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INN

Egyptian Villagers Lynch Suspected Car Thief

Egyptian villagers lynched a suspected car thief, in the latest in a spate of such vigilante killings in the face of growing lawlessness.

By Arutz Sheva staff
First Publish: 3/22/2013, 3:42 AM
Egyptian villagers lynched a suspected car thief on Thursday, security sources said, in the latest in a spate of such vigilante killings in the face of growing lawlessness.

The lynching, in the Nile Delta village of Ezbat al-Gindy, came days after residents of another village strung up two suspected criminals in an incident described by the justice minister as a sign of the "death of the state", AFP reported.

A police official said 17 such killings have occurred just in Sharqiya province, where Ezbat al-Gindy is located, since a 2011 uprising overthrew president Hosni Mubarak and took a severe toll on his security services.

The official said the man hanged from a tree in the Ezbat al-Gindy had tried to steal a car, whose owner appealed to passersby for help.

The bodies of those lynched are publicly displayed to serve as a warning to others, amid rising crime rates and a decreased police presence.

On Sunday, villagers in Mahallat al-Ziad beat two men accused of kidnapping a girl and strung them up in a public square. Footage of the lynchings was widely circulated on the Internet.

The spread of such vigilante justice "is one of the signs of the death of the state," Egyptian newspapers quoted Justice Minister Ahmed Mekki as saying after the Mahallat al-Ziad lynchings.

The latest killings came as police ended a weeks-long strike, during which they complained they were ill-equipped to deal with violent criminals and protesters. They have been promised more weapons.

The interior ministry regularly reports police officers' deaths in shootouts with criminals.

A hardline Islamist group recently said its members would take up policing duties in the central province of Assiut because of rising crime and insecurity. It has since backtracked after a public backlash, according to AFP.

However in many rural areas, residents have often been left to fend for themselves because of a delayed response by police.

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Egypt Revolts—Rapes Continue in Tahrir Square

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 23 18:54:14 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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NBC News

Women violated in the cradle of Egypt's revolution, activists say

By Susan Kroll and Marian Smith, NBC News
March 23, 2013
Cairo's Tahrir Square, once the staging ground for the massive uprising that ousted Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, is quickly becoming notorious for something very different: an organized campaign of sexual assaults, activists say.

The past year has seen an increase in attacks against women at demonstrations, but recently they have been particularly rampant — and, according to witnesses and activists, they have been following similar patterns.

On the two-year anniversary of the revolution on Jan. 25, at least 19 women were sexually assaulted in and around Tahrir Square in one night, some with knives, activists said. Dozens more cases have been reported in the two months since.

“The message to women is, ‘You should stay at home, you should stop protesting, you should feel stigmatized,’” said Hania Moheeb, an Egyptian journalist who was herself assaulted in the square that night.

Moheeb, who writes for two English-language magazines and for a documentary program on Nile TV International, recently met female activists from around the Middle East at a conference in New York on women’s rights since the Arab Spring uprising. She described that at one point that night, she was certain she would die.

Moheeb, 42, was trying to pass through the square when two men grabbed her from a group of women who had formed a circle around her, apparently to protect her.

“In a few seconds, tens of hands were all over my body, under my clothes, ripping … off my clothes and violating each inch of my body,” she said.

The men were “continuously giving the impression that they were helping out while they were the same perpetrators and attackers,” she added.

They dragged her to the outer edges of the square where another group of men came forward, saying they would help and take her to an ambulance, Moheeb said. But they stopped her as she tried to pull her clothes back on, carrying her half-naked to the ambulance.

“What I know for a fact is that my body was being violated up until the last second before I was put in the ambulance,” she said.

Over the days following her attack, Moheeb heard from other women who were also assaulted on the same night, at the same place and in the same way — using the same techniques down to the very last detail.

Some activists believe it is an organized tactic aimed at silencing opponents of the Egyptian government, but there has been no evidence to prove that is the case, Moheeb said. No single group has been charged in connection with the assaults as of yet.

Nonetheless, Moheeb fears there will be retribution for her telling her story and worries for her husband and parents. Although she is pursuing justice through the courts, she says she holds out very little hope that anything will be done.

“The justice I need,” Moheeb said, “is the justice [for] the Egyptian people. The success of the revolution will be success for them.”

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Rapes Continue in Tahrir Square

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 23 19:37:02 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts—Rapes Continue in Tahrir Square, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 23 18:54:14 2013.

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Egyptian men are oversexed pigs. These attacks on women predated the revolution. Several years ago, the Cairo subway reserved the first 2 cars for women only.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Rapes Continue in Tahrir Square

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 23 23:36:54 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Rapes Continue in Tahrir Square, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 23 19:37:02 2013.

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The Muslim Brotherhood's popularity also predated the "revolution". At least Mubarak put forth the effort to try to stop this kind of behavior; the MB looks the other way.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 26 18:16:36 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jan 31 01:36:01 2011.

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That's precisely what PNAC was selling though when they struck that match.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 26 18:20:16 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 31 07:08:53 2011.

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Just like over here, they have MANY years ahead of them to figure out what they really want. The good news is that what they have now is clearly not working out for them.

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Egypt Revolts; White House issues weak call for a stop to the rapes

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 29 16:35:06 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Politico

W.H. calls on Egypt to stop rapes

By Donovan Slack | 3/29/13 12:30 PM EDT
White House deputy press secretary Josh Earnest on Friday condemned a spate of sexual violence during protests in Egypt and called on the Egyptian government to intervene.

"Sexual violence, including gang rape, has occurred during recent demonstrations in Egypt, and this is a cause of great concern to the United States, the international community and to many Egyptians," Earnest told reporters aboard Air Force One.

"These victims are the mothers, wives, daughters and sisters of Egypt. The Egyptian government has a responsibility to take legal measures to prevent sexual violence and to prosecute people who are involved in such crimes."

The New York Times reported this week on the increase in sexual violence and noted that some in Egypt, rather than condemning the acts, are blaming the victims.

"The idea that some Egyptians are blaming the victims for being raped and assaulted is abhorrent," Earnest said. "We strongly condemn these views and reaffirm the rights of women to express themselves in public squares alongside men as well as the responsibility of the Egyptian government to protect them.

"We urge the government to make good on its promises to govern for all of its citizens and we call on the Egyptian people to exercise their rights peacefully and respect the rights of their fellow citizens."

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Re: Egypt Revolts; White House issues weak call for a stop to the rapes

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 29 18:51:48 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts; White House issues weak call for a stop to the rapes, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 29 16:35:06 2013.

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They're asking Egypt to violate International....sharia Law. Obama nominated another guy last, or two weeks ago who is in love with Sharia law.

My query, why bother issuing statements that you don't believe in? No one is really listening or caring to score points with.

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Egypt Revolts . . . Direct Flights resume between Egypt and Iran for the first time in 34 years

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 30 21:22:35 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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That's an official welcome to the Axis of Evil for Egypt.

Associated Press
Mar 30, 10:22 AM EDT

Egypt, Iran resume direct flights after decades

By Mariam Rizk
Associated Press
CAIRO (AP) — A commercial airliner left Egypt for Iran on Saturday in what was the first direct passenger flight between the two countries in more than three decades, Egyptian airport officials said.

Cairo-Tehran relations have warmed since the June election of Egypt's Islamist president, Mohammed Morsi. Diplomatic relations were frozen after Egypt signed its 1979 peace treaty with Israel and Iran underwent its Islamic Revolution.

Cairo airport officials say a private Air Memphis flight departed for Tehran carrying eight Iranians, including two diplomats. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not allowed to speak to reporters.

Egypt's tourism minister visited Tehran last month to sign an agreement promoting tourism between the countries. Egypt's Foreign and Civil Aviation Ministries, however, have set regulations restricting the number and movement of Iranian tourists in Egypt.

Ali al-Ashri, an Egyptian foreign ministry official, said Iranian tourists would only be allowed to visit certain sites, such as the ancient cities of Luxor and resort areas like Sharm el-Sheikh. Cairo was not on the list of places they would be allowed to visit, mainly because it is the site of shrines of revered Shiite figures.

The airport officials said future flights are likely to be scheduled from cities in southern Egypt and will not go through the capital.

The thaw in relations between Sunni-majority Egypt and Shiite Iran is facing scrutiny from Egypt's ultraconservative Muslims, who view Iran's rapprochement with Cairo with suspicion. Ultraconservative Salafis consider Shiites heretics, and fear that Iran is trying to spread its faith in the Sunni world.

On Friday, Salafi protesters stormed a meeting at al-Azhar University, which is affiliated with the Sunni world's most prestigious learning institute. They were trying to stop an Iranian official from attending the meeting. The meeting eventually went ahead as scheduled.

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Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 3 17:38:52 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Yay Arab Spring, eh.

NY Times

Egyptians Struggle as Wary Tourists Stay Away

By Kareem Fahim
Published: April 2, 2013
AL-BAIRAT, Egypt — Many of this country’s post-uprising troubles wash up here, in a crumbling shack on a dirty canal, where 13 members of the Abdul Latif family have long relied on tourism to keep them from slipping from poverty into ruin.

Adel Abdul Latif supported his family making the Pharaonic alabaster figurines that vendors hawk at the temples around Luxor. He also worked in construction, which depended on the prosperity of the local hoteliers and other businesspeople who hired him.

Then the tourists stopped coming.

This winter there was so little work — during what had been the high season for tourism in Luxor — that the family had to rely on cash handouts and free blankets from a local charity staggering from its own financial woes.

For Egyptians taking nervous note of the country’s mounting calamities, with security ebbing and prices rising, the sustained drop-off in tourism has been especially alarming. Tourism provides direct jobs for nearly three million people, critical income to more than 70 industries and 20 percent of the state’s foreign currency — now desperately needed to prop up the plummeting Egyptian pound.

The changes to Egypt’s complexion have been just as startling, as coveted tourism destinations have become bargain stops, celebrated temples have emptied and residents have directed their anger at the capital, Cairo, the site of the interminable political squabbles and street violence that have kept the tourists away.

“We are the ones that suffer,” said Ezzat Saad, the governor of Luxor, where in better times tourists relax on Nile cruises or stroll through the Great Hypostyle Hall at the nearby Temple of Karnak. These days, on the streets below the governor’s office, idle workers spend much of their time talking about the failings of the government. “Whatever I do on the local level,” Mr. Saad said, “whatever the minister of tourism does, it has a ceiling. We will never get back what was without political stability or security.”

Tourism plummeted in 2011 with the fall of President Hosni Mubarak and the unrest that followed. Some tourists have started to return, but officials say they are mostly beachgoers rather than the more lucrative cultural tourists who spend 10 days or more in Egypt, and spend accordingly during once-in-a-lifetime vacations.

Every headline about a riot in Egypt deepens the crisis. Cairo has been the hardest hit, with hotel occupancy falling to below 15 percent or worse in parts of the city closest to protests, according to Hani el-Shaer of the Egyptian Hotel Association. From Cairo, the hardship ripples across the country, affecting taxi and horse carriage drivers, boat operators, tour guides and store vendors.

“If something goes wrong in Cairo, tourists cancel the whole trip,” said Hisham Zaazou, Egypt’s minister of tourism.

Officials have thrown up their hands at a problem that no amount of salesmanship seems able to fix. They have already been forced to abandon the grand marketing campaigns of the past; there is little money for advertisements, and in any case, a slick television commercial for Egypt would be useless, if followed by a news report on the latest bloodshed, officials said.

“The perception is that they’re not welcome,” Mr. Zaazou said. “That the Egyptian people are hostile. I need to change this.”

So the country’s promoters are focusing on what they say are inflated fears about Egypt’s safety, which they are countering with a limited effort to portray “the reality,” Mr. Zaazou said. One plan is to stream live video of Egypt over the Internet — of beaches and tourist attractions like the Egyptian Museum — to show that all is well in many of Egypt’s most treasured spaces.

It is an approach that Mexico has tried as well in its effort to draw attention to the distances, sometimes vast and sometimes not, between a prime beach or plaza and headline-grabbing, drug-related slaughter.

“We want to give assurances that Egypt is not just a square kilometer where there are disturbances,” said Nasser Hamdy, the head of the Egyptian Tourism Authority.

Officials also are pushing to attract tourists from new markets, to replace the American and other visitors sitting out the current crisis. The government has focused on India, and especially Iran, whose relationship with Egypt has started to warm after decades of official animosity.

But even that effort has been troubled by politics: a few days ago, the arrival of the first planeload of Iranian tourists brought a fevered response from ultraconservative Sunni Islamists, who promised new efforts to warn Egyptians about what they called the “dangers” of Shiite Islam.

For now, Luxor feels like a ghost town, haunted by the trappings of its glamorous past. Cruise ships are idle and moored together in bunches along the Nile. On the Corniche promenade, horse carriage drivers scuffle among themselves over the few tourists who emerge from the grand Winter Palace Hotel, its gardens and restaurants splendid — but deserted.

A proprietor at Gaddis & Co., a souvenir shop below the hotel that opened in 1907, called this the most sustained tourism crisis in Luxor since the period between Egypt’s last wars with Israel in 1967 and 1973. Even after militants killed 60 tourists in 1997 at the Temple of Queen Hatshepsut, visitors stayed away for only a few months, said Badawy Fikri, a guard who works at the temple.

Before the uprising, he said, “I wouldn’t recognize a friend in the crowds.”

On a recent Sunday, only a trickle of visitors walked through the temple’s colonnaded terraces. Ahmed Allam, a frustrated tour guide, said Egypt needed to “think outside the box,” searching, as many do, for novel ways to make Egypt desirable again. He noted that ancient Egypt had lost its most tireless promoter, the flamboyant archaeologist Zahi Hawass, who was sidelined after the uprising because of legal troubles and his ties to the former government.

“We need to make it easier to film movies here,” Mr. Allam said. “We need celebrities. Rock ’n’ roll bands. Weddings at the Pyramids. This will take years.”

There were no visitors at the nearby mortuary temple of Ramses II to see the fallen statue linked by legend to Ozymandias. A group of Egyptian schoolchildren had the Luxor museum largely to themselves, troubled only by a group of tour guides who strolled through — mostly, one of the guides said, because they had nothing better to do.

“I have colleagues who have tours every three or four months,” said Mohamed Aziz, who has worked as a guide for eight years and is on the verge of trying something else. “Lots of people are working without salaries. We have hopes and dreams. Reality is something else.”

By some estimates, up to 90 percent of people working in Luxor and the surrounding towns like Bairat were dependent on tourism, officials said. A local charity in Bairat that provided aid to poor families, orphans and disabled people said that many of its most important donors — like hotel and cruise boat owners — had stopped giving.

Abulatta Ibrahim, who sits on the board of the charity, said they had stopped construction on a community center that was to include a school, a manufacturing center for dressmakers and a clinic. “If we don’t have tourists,” he said, “we can’t do this.”

Asmaa El-Zohairy contributed reporting.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Apr 3 18:08:48 2013, in response to Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 3 17:38:52 2013.

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I'm very glad I went in 2009. I sure as hell wouldn't want to go now. It really is too bad however, as the article points out, every day Egyptians are suffering and no one seems to really think about their plight.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 3 19:09:33 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Apr 3 18:08:48 2013.

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every day Egyptians are suffering and no one seems to really think about their plight.

They only have themselves to blame.

They got the government they wanted in a free and fair election.

My heart bleeds purple piss for them.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry

Posted by RockParkMan on Wed Apr 3 19:15:07 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 3 19:09:33 2013.

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SMAZ, Creator of the best and most informative posts on OTChat.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 3 19:15:52 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 3 19:09:33 2013.

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Actually, if one is paying attention to the riots over there, they accept the blame for having what they wanted hijacked by the brotherhood. This isn't over.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 3 19:23:56 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry, posted by RockParkMan on Wed Apr 3 19:15:07 2013.

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thank you good sir.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Apr 3 19:27:16 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 3 19:15:52 2013.

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The White House will provide a swift rebuff for any anti-brotherhood protestors just as they have always and will always do around the world defending Islam.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 3 19:53:56 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Apr 3 19:27:16 2013.

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Where IS Wolfowitz these days? :)

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 3 21:01:48 2013, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Islamists have Killed Tourism Industry, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 3 19:09:33 2013.

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This really tops your other hypocritical posts. Not a word about how Your President backed the Muslim Brotherhood and stabbed the secularists in the back, eh?

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