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Egypt Revolts, conducts "trial" of Terry Jones and seven Copts over "Innocence" film

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 18 12:09:58 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Terry Jones?

Trial in absence is a violation of habeas corpus, BTW.

Associated Press
18 Sep. 2012 11:18 AM ET

Egypt to try 7 Copts, US pastor over Prophet film

By SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press
CAIRO (AP) — Egypt's general prosecutor issued arrest warrants Tuesday for seven Egyptian Coptic Christians and a Florida-based American pastor and referred them to trial on charges linked to an anti-Islam film that has sparked riots across the Muslim world.

The case is largely symbolic since the seven men and one woman are believed to be outside of Egypt and unlikely to travel to the country to face the charges. Instead, the prosecutor's decision to take legal appears aimed at absorbing at least some of the public anger over the amateur film, which portrays the Prophet Muhammad as a fraud, womanizer and buffoon.

The prosecutor's office said in a statement that the accused, which includes the film's alleged producer, face charges of harming national unity, insulting and publicly attacking Islam and spreading false information. The office said they could face the death penalty, if convicted. No date for the trial has been set.

Among those charged is Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, an Egyptian Copt living in southern California and believed to be behind the film. Florida-based Pastor Terry Jones, who has said he was contacted by the filmmaker to promote the video, as well as Morris Sadek, a conservative Coptic Christian in the U.S. who pushed the video on his website, are also among those charged.

The connection of the other five accused in the case to the film was not immediately clear.

Ultraconservative Salafi lawyer Mamdouh Ismail praised the prosecutor's decision. While recognizing that the eight will be tried in absentia, Ismail said referring them to trial will help curb public anger.

"Now these are legal measures instead of angry reactions, whose consequences are undetermined," he said. "This would also set a deterrent for them and anyone else who may fall into this" offense.

The prosecutor's statement, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press, said that after studying the film investigators have determined that it contains scenes offensive to Islam and state institutions. It also says they questioned 10 plaintiffs before issuing the charges.

Nakoula, 55, told the AP in an interview last week outside Los Angeles that he was the manager of the company that produced "Innocence of Muslims." Jones also told AP that he was contacted by Nakoula to promote the movie.

The film, clips of which appeared on YouTube, mocked the Prophet Muhammad and drove small but angry crowds to protest outside the U.S. Embassy in Egypt and an attack on the American Consulate in Libya that killed the U.S. ambassador. Other protests have erupted across the Muslim world over the video, including Afghanistan, Yemen and Indonesia.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, conducts ''trial'' of Terry Jones and seven Copts over ''Innocence'' film

Posted by Fred G on Tue Sep 18 12:27:51 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts, conducts "trial" of Terry Jones and seven Copts over "Innocence" film, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 18 12:09:58 2012.

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Take it up with their legislators to put that concept in the constitution.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts, conducts ''trial'' of Terry Jones and seven Copts over ''Innocence'' film

Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 18 13:09:10 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts, conducts "trial" of Terry Jones and seven Copts over "Innocence" film, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 18 12:09:58 2012.

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That isn't the US, BTW.

If actions like this calm the situation down, I'm all for it. At least they are looking into it, realizing who those involved are, and responding intelligently through their legal process.

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Egypt Revolts; imam tears up and burns Bible outside US embassy, threatens to do #1 on it next time

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 18 19:42:37 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Assyrian International News Agency

Muslim Cleric Tears Bible At Protest Outside the US Embassy in Cairo

Posted GMT 9-14-2012 1:42:49
By Mary Abdelmassih
During the demonstration which was held in front of the American Embassy in Cairo on Tuesday, 9/11, a Muslim cleric named Abu Islam tore and burned the Holy Bible in front of thousands of Muslims. His action was met with applause and anti-Christian cheers from the demonstrators. Before leaving the demonstration and getting into his car, he told the crowds "next time I will urinate on it."



The video above shows the Muslim cleric tearing the Bible. The video says:
  • 0.02 "(T)he overwhelming Book, the Book of Truth and Peace. The place for these words and this book is over the heads because it is the real inspiration..." (He places the Koran on his head) voices chanting Allahu Akbar.

  • 0.30 He Says: "Message to the Egyptian Christians. Out of respect and politeness to the Egyptian Christians we will not do the same like what they did to our God's book; we will be generous towards you today and say we will respect you 'momentarily.' We will respect this book which is in the Arabic language."

  • 0:54 Demonstrators' chants "Coming, Coming O Islam"

  • 1.09 Abu Islam holds another Bible and says: "This is the book the dog Terry believes in, as well as those dogs with him, the Egyptian Christians in America."

  • 1.19 Abu Islam: "Today I can only TEAR IT APART." He starts tearing the Bible and throwing the leaves towards the mob, amid chants of "Allahu Akbar" and "Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, the army of Mohammad is coming."

  • 2.06 Abu Islam saying: "To all the cross-worshipers around the world, we will not keep quiet. Today, we tore it."

  • 2.13 A man in blue beside him burns the Bible, raising it for everyone to see.

  • Abu Islam: "Salamu Aleycom" (Peace be with you) and leaves, with mob chanting "Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, the army of Mohammad is coming." "Governing, governing, O Koran." "Coming, Coming O Islam."
Dr. Mustafa Maraghy, professor of law and Islamic law at Cairo University, filed a complaint with the Attorney General against the cleric, whose real name is Ahmed Abdullah. The complaint cited Abdullah, who is the owner of the TV channel the Islamic Nation, for contempt of religion, disturbing public security and peace.

Dr Maraghy, who is the chairman of the Coptic Coalition, said that tearing and burning the Holy Bible, which all Christians in the world believe in, is a "villainous and barbaric act." He added that it is not permitted at all to defame religions. "The same hurt feelings we felt by the film which insulted the prophet is the same that we felt by this criminal act," he said.

He vowed that the Coptic Coalition will not ignore such "ignorant people" but will prosecute them. The Maspero Coptic Youth Union has called on President Morsy to intervene immediately to put an end to any efforts which would kindle the fire of sedition between Muslims and Copts.

Another complaint was also filed this morning against Abu Islam by Karam Gabriel, lawyer with the Copts of Egypt Coalition, for his recent burning of the Holy Bible as well as his previous insults to Christianity through his books and through his Islamic Nation TV Channel.

The Coalition, which has among its members Muslims and Copts, has issued an official statement condemning the film insulting the Prophet of Islam. Magdy Saber, spokesman for the Union, condemned Abu Islam's tearing and burning of the Bible in front of the Copts who were present before the US Embassy, where they had gone in support of their Muslim brothers regarding to prophet's film.

Saber demanded from officials to take the necessary measures to prevent sedition among the Egyptians. "If we condemn the film-makers of the prophet film who live outside Egypt," he said, "we should also condemn this disgraceful act in Egypt, stressing the need to punish Abu Islam for his irresponsible actions."

In an interview today with The Mohit newspaper, Abu Islam denied burning the Bible, he said "I tore it apart and threw it to the demonstrators to step on it with their shoes." He added, "Next time I will make my grandson urinate on it, as the saying goes, an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth and the starter is at fault."

Commenting on the fact that the film producers do not represent all Copts and the masses of the American people and therefore their holy book should not be insulted in response, Abu Islam said "if someone one did something, everyone bears the guilt and bears the outcome. Did not all Muslims bear the pain of what Osama bin Laden did? Did not all Muslims bear the pain of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman being described as a terrorist? Let them taste from the cup the Islamic world had to drink."

"Until now we have not heard any condemnation from any Muslim organization or Al-Azhar," said Coptic activist Mark Ebeid, "as our church did concerning the Prophet film. We have hope that the Church will say something about our Holy Book."

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Re: Egypt Revolts; imam tears up and burns Bible outside US embassy, threatens to do #1 on it next time

Posted by Fred G on Tue Sep 18 20:16:56 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; imam tears up and burns Bible outside US embassy, threatens to do #1 on it next time, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 18 19:42:37 2012.

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Looks like they have assholes there, too.

your pal,
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Egypt Revolts, now El Al stops all Tel Aviv–Cairo flights

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 19 01:37:26 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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CBS News

Israeli national airline to halt Cairo flights

September 17, 2012 8:02 AM
By Robert Berger
JERUSALEM — Israel's national airline, El Al, plans to stop flying to Cairo because it says planes on that route have been virtually empty. Israelis, and tourists at large, are afraid to travel to Egypt because of street violence and instability, and the route has become unprofitable since the Egypt's Arab Spring uprising began more than a year ago.

Politically, the flights between Cairo and Tel Aviv are a symbol of the two nations' 33-year-old peace treaty. But now, El Al says keeping the route operational simply doesn't make economic sense.

"Operating the flight route to Cairo and maintaining the necessary infrastructure for that requires a large amount of security and operational resources, and heavy economic expenditure which amounts to hundreds of thousands of dollars annually," El Al CEO Eliezer Shakedi said in a letter to Israel's Foreign Ministry.

"Without any commercial justification and in light of the high economic cost of operating this line, El Al cannot continue to bear these heavy expenses, and therefore is intending to stop operating the route to Cairo immediately," added Shakedi.

El Al flies between Tel Aviv and Cairo once a week and is the only carrier operating direct flights between the two cities.

The airline's plan to ground that flight poses a dilemma for the Israeli government because the Tel Aviv-Cairo route is one of the few elements of normalized relations left between the countries in the wake of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's ouster.

Since Mubarak, an Islamist-led government headed by President Mohamed Morsi has risen to power. Morsi is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, a group that has been traditionally hostile toward Israel, though thus far, Morsi has said his government will honor existing treaties.

The government cannot force El Al to fly to Cairo because it no longer controls the airline, which is now a privately held. Since Israel wants to save what is left of the peace treaty, officials say that if El Al drops the route, another airline will have to replace it.

But peace comes with a price. The bottom line is that if the Tel Aviv-Cairo route keeps operating, the Israeli government will have to subsidize, if not foot the bill.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, now El Al stops all Tel Aviv–Cairo flights

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 19 01:52:48 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts, now El Al stops all Tel Aviv–Cairo flights, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 19 01:37:26 2012.

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El Al flies between Tel Aviv and Cairo once a week and is the only carrier operating direct flights between the two cities.

AFAIK, Air Sinai still flies the route.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, now El Al stops all Tel Aviv–Cairo flights

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 19 01:55:07 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, now El Al stops all Tel Aviv–Cairo flights, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 19 01:52:48 2012.

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Never mind, there is a post on Flyertalk saying that Air Sinai cancelled its CAI-TLV flights in February 2011.

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Egypt Revolts: Morsi says Egypt won't live by USA's rules

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 23 10:57:56 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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That's a slap in the face of President Obama. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. On behalf of our POTUS, I am most indignant.

AP via NY Newsday

Egypt's president wants more independence from US

Originally published: September 23, 2012 6:34 AM
Updated: September 23, 2012 10:29 AM
By The Associated Press
CAIRO (AP) — On the eve of his first visit to the United States as Egypt's president, Islamist Mohammed Morsi said he will demonstrate more independence from the U.S. in decision-making than his predecessor Hosni Mubarak and told Washington not to expect Egypt to live by its rules.

Morsi sent that message in an interview with the New York Times after a wave of violence erupted across the Muslim world over an amateur film produced in the U.S. that was deemed offensive to Islam and its prophet Muhammed. The film raised news tensions between Washington and Egypt.

Morsi criticized U.S. dealings with the Arab world, saying it is not possible to judge Egyptian behavior and decision-making by American cultural standards. He said Washington earned ill will in the region in the past by backing dictators and taking "a very clear" biased approach against the Palestinians and for Israel.

"Successive American administrations essentially purchased with American taxpayer money the dislike, if not the hatred, of the peoples of the region," he told the paper in the interview published late Saturday, drawing a clear distinction between the American government and the American people. Those administrations "have taken a very clear biased approach against something that (has) very strong emotional ties to the people of the region that is the issue of Palestine."

He stressed that unlike his predecessor, Mubarak, he will behave "according to the Egyptian people's choice and will, nothing else."

Morsi, who was sworn in on June 30 after the first democratic elections in Egypt's modern history, has been cautious not to sharply depart from Mubarak's foreign policy path, particularly the longstanding alliance with the United States.

But with an Islamist president at the helm of the Arab world's most populous country, there are already differences and changes of focus. Morsi has been expected to distance himself from what many Egyptians saw as Mubarak's compliance with Washington's agenda in the Middle East, especially because his Muslim Brotherhood group has been a vocal critic of U.S. policy in the region and in the Muslim world.

In the interview, Morsi dismissed criticism that he responded too slowly when protesters managed to scale the walls of the heavily fortified U.S. Embassy in Cairo on Sept. 11. The demonstrators replaced the American flag with a banner carrying the Islamic declaration of faith.

Morsi said he needed to deal with the situation "wisely" and took time to avoid a backlash from an angry but small crowd of protesters.

While he praised President Barack Obama for moving "decisively and quickly" to support Arab Spring uprisings against longtime authoritarian leaders, he said Arabs like Americans want to live "free in their own land, according to their customs and values, in a fair and democratic fashion."

To this end, Morsi urged the U.S. to live up to its commitments to support an independent Palestinian state.

Since taking office, Morsi, 61, has been immersed in largely foreign policy issues. He has strongly criticized the Syria regime for violently repressing the uprising there, tried to warm relations with the Palestinians, and has dealt with tensions between the Middle East and the West over the anti-Islam film.

Reflecting the tension with Washington over the protests, Obama was asked about Egypt a day after anti-U.S. protests broke out in Egypt on Sept. 11 and he said he does not consider it an ally or an enemy.

The Times asked Morsi if the U.S. was an ally, to which he replied with a laugh by saying: "That depends on your definition of ally."

But he quickly followed by saying he wants a real friendship with the U.S.

"I think what I am trying seriously (is to) look into the future and to see that we are real friends."

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Egypt Revolts; new constitution to undermine women's rights

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 23 11:17:31 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Al-Ahram

Egypt draft constitution article raises fears for women's rights

Leftist and liberal parties, groups voice 'deep concern' after draft constitution article promises gender equality 'without contradicting precepts of Islamic Law'

Ahram Online, Sunday 23 Sep 2012
Following publication of Article 36 of the 'Rights and Duties' section of Egypt's draft constitution, a number of political parties, coalitions and public figures have issued a joint statement expressing their "deep concern" for the draft article's wording, which, they say, could compromise women's historical rights.

The wording as it currently stands reads: "The state is committed to taking all constitutional and executive measures to ensure equality of women with men in all walks of political, cultural, economic and social life, without contradicting the precepts of Islamic Law."

The article adds: "The state will provide all necessary services for mothers and children for free, and will secure for women protection, along with social, economic and medical care and the right to inheritance, and will ensure a balance between the woman's family responsibilities and work in society."

Critics fear that the wording of the draft article is a convoluted detour around equal rights between men and women, due to the ambiguity over the phrase "without contradicting the precepts of Islamic Law."

The statement was issued by the Egyptian Social Democratic Party and endorsed by the Popular Socialist Coalition, the Free Egyptians party, the Popular Current, the New Woman Organisation, the Woman and Memory Organisation, Al-Nadeem Centre and a number of others. The statement was also signed by several public figures, including Mohamed Abul-Ghar, George Ishaq, Khaled Youssef and Sakina Fouad. More signatures are currently being collected online and via petitions.

The statement also stresses that such unclear wording "endangers the democracy that everyone aspired for and sacrificed for," stating that the struggle of Egyptian women throughout history should guarantee them the rights they had already gained historically on the basis of equal citizenship. Such rights should not be reduced, the statement added, noting that such a reduction would contradict Egypt's commitments to international charters and agreements.

The reason behind this stipulation, the statement warned, is the Constituent Assembly's largely Islamist representation, which, it claimed, was willing to bargain on the rights of women. The statement went on to say that the constitutional referendum should not be put up to a single yes-or-no vote, but rather be voted upon section-by-section. It added that the approval rate for amendments to pass should also be raised to 75 percent, and that public debate on the constitution should be increased beyond the 15 days currently planned after the draft constitution is completed.

The statement goes on to urge that, if the article is passed as is, then all women and independent Constituent Assembly members should resign to protest "this unacceptable inequality."

The constituent Assembly has already suffered a number of withdrawals, when the 'Egyptian Bloc' parties — including the Free Egyptians, the Egyptian Social Democratic Party and the leftist Tagammu Party — initiated a walk-out, followed by the Karama Party, the Socialist Popular Alliance Party and the Democratic Front Party, to allow greater representation for women, young people and Coptic-Christians, while also registering their objection to "Islamist monopolization" of the assembly.

Meanwhile, the troubled assembly still faces the risk of dissolution by court order in September on grounds that it was drawn up by the People's Assembly, the since-dissolved lower house of Egypt's parliament.

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Egypt Revolts; new leaders demand UN criminalize contempt of Islam

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 23 11:20:55 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Reuters via Al-Arabiya

Egypt Salafi urges U.N. to criminalize contempt of Islam

Sunday, 23 September 2012
By Reuters Cairo
Egypt’s president and other Muslim leaders should demand the U.N. criminalize contempt of religion after the release of an anti-Islamic film and cartoons which demonstrate growing racism, said the leader of the biggest ultra-orthodox Islamist party.

Despite doctrinal and political differences with President Mohamed Mursi’s Muslim Brotherhood, the Salafist Nour Party played a key role in supporting it during presidential elections in June.

Led by Emad Abdel Ghaffour, it now ranks as the second-largest party in parliament and plays a formidable force in Egypt’s new politics.

“We call for legislation or a resolution to criminalize contempt of Islam as a religion and its Prophet,” said Ghaffour, one of four permanent assistants to the president, on Saturday.

“The voice of reason in the West will prevail if there is mutual respect, dialogue and efficient lobbying for this critical resolution,” he told Reuters in an interview.

Leaders and their entourages from the 193-nation United Nations General Assembly descend on U.N. headquarters in New York for the world body’s annual “general debate” from Sept. 25-Oct. 1.

Mursi will make his Assembly debut along with the new leaders of Libya, Yemen and Tunisia, countries where Islamist parties have moved to the heart of government.

The recent violent unrest in some Muslim countries caused by anger at the anti-Islam film made in California and the French cartoons published by satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo is expected to be a closely watched theme.

A few dozen Egyptians protested near the French embassy in Cairo on Friday, but were kept away from the premises by police. The Nour Party and other mainstream Islamic leaders expressed outrage, but have urged a peaceful response.

Muslim protests in Pakistan turned violent with at least 15 people killed on Friday, after demonstrations in several Muslim countries a week earlier, including attacks on U.S. and other Western embassies and the killing of the U.S. envoy to Libya.

“A proposal to look into the root causes of the obvious racism against Muslims and Arabs as the recent fierce campaign against their Islamic beliefs shows is much needed,” said Ghaffour.

Discord

Ghaffour blamed interest groups for trying to sow discord between Western countries and newly-elected Islamist governments in the Middle East by defaming Islam.

“A new reality in the Middle East has emerged after the toppling of autocratic regime of Hosni Mubarak and others through democratic elections that brought newly-elected Islamist governments,” said Ghaffour.

“There are interest groups who seek to escalate hatred to show newly-elected governments and their Muslim electorate as undemocratic.”

His Nour Party plans to produce a documentary film on the life of the Prophet for global release in an effort to counter the California-made film.

Salafis follow a puritanical school of Islam that was revived in Egypt in the 1970s by university students inspired by the 19th century Wahhabi teaching in Saudi Arabia.

Repressed under the rule of Mubarak, the Nour Party emerged from Daawa al-Salafiya (Salafi Call), a movement that has previously only backed preaching, not politics, to spread its purist interpretation of Islam.

Analysts believe Egypt’s Salafi movement, whose followers typically wear long beards, has a devoted following of 3 million people and may control 4,000 mosques nationwide. Egypt has around 108,000 mosques and smaller places of worship.

Last week, Ghaffour told U.S. President Barack Obama’s Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough in a telephone call that while almost all Egyptians denounced the U.S.-made anti-Islam film, most of the country's leaders and population shunned the violent reactions seen in other countries.

Early in September, the Obama administration planned to go to Congress with a $1 billion debt relief plan to help Egypt stabilize its economy and grow its private sector.

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World Leader: Obama not keeping his word, doing a horrible job

Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Sep 24 11:14:03 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts: Morsi says Egypt won't live by USA's rules, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 23 10:57:56 2012.

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Doing good defending Islam around the world, healing divisions, and leading there....Nobama.

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Egypt Revolts; Copts have to flee Sinai town after threats

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 27 16:48:05 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Associated Press
Sep 27, 1:32 PM EDT

Priest: Christians flee Egypt town after threats

CAIRO (AP) — A Coptic Christian priest in Egypt says Christians have fled their homes in a northern Sinai town after receiving threats from suspected Islamic militants.

Father Youssef Sobhi says Islamic militants have verbally threatened seven Christian families in the town of Rafah on the Egypt-Gaza-Israel border. One shop owner came under fire by masked militants, Sobhi told the AP on the phone Thursday. The families sought refuge in the town of El-Arish.

He said local authorities have not adequately protected Christians on the Sinai Peninsula, where Islamic radicals have gained influence after the overthrow of President Hosni Mubarak in a popular uprising last year.

Sobhi also said militants fired at The Holy Family Church in the northern Sinai. The church is built on the site where Christians believe the Holy Family first stopped to rest after crossing into Egypt.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Copts have to flee Sinai town after threats

Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Sep 27 16:51:15 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; Copts have to flee Sinai town after threats, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 27 16:48:05 2012.

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I guess the Slimes want to torn the Church of the Holy Ffmily into a Mopsque complete with dome.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Copts have to flee Sinai town after threats

Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Sep 27 17:00:34 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Copts have to flee Sinai town after threats, posted by RockParkMan on Thu Sep 27 16:51:15 2012.

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Typo City.
I guess the Slimes want to turn the Church of the Holy Family into a Mosque complete with dome.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Copts have to flee Sinai town after threats

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 27 17:07:56 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Copts have to flee Sinai town after threats, posted by RockParkMan on Thu Sep 27 17:00:34 2012.

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That's par for the course with them. Jihad dictates them doing that, after all.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Copts have to flee Sinai town after threats

Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Sep 27 17:15:50 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Copts have to flee Sinai town after threats, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 27 17:07:56 2012.

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Yep.

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Egypt Revolts; two Coptic kids detained under accusation of defiling Koran

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 4 12:06:08 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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NY Times

Egypt: 2 Coptic Boys Are Held as Contempt of Religion Cases Rise

By KAREEM FAHIM and MAI AYYAD
Published: October 4, 2012
CAIRO — Two Coptic Christian boys have been detained by the authorities on charges that they defiled the pages of a Koran, the latest in a spate of recent cases involving accusations that people have insulted Islam.

The boys, ages 9 and 10, are being held in juvenile detention in the village of Ezbet Marco, south of Cairo, according to Ishak Ibrahim, a researcher with the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights who is investigating the case. They were detained last Sunday, when the imam of the local mosque claimed that he saw the children tearing the pages of a Koran.

Other news reports said the boys were accused of urinating on the Koran pages.

The charges seemed likely to add to growing anxieties in Egypt about free speech rights, the sway of hard-line Islamists and the status of the country’s Christian minority, which fears an erosion of rights under an Islamist government. It also recalled the recent arrest in Pakistan of a Christian girl who was accused of burning Muslim texts in a case that drew attention to the use of blasphemy laws to intimidate minorities.

Mr. Ibrahim said there had been at least 17 cases involving the charge of contempt of religion since the 2011 uprising that deposed President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt. A flurry of recent cases suggested the authorities were moving more aggressively to act on such accusations.

In one, a blogger, Alber Saber, who is from a Coptic Christian family, was tried after his neighbors accused him of posting on his Facebook page the video trailer for a purported film “Innocence of Muslims.” The trailer ignited protests around the world. Mr. Saber’s lawyers have denied that he posted the video.

In the latest episode, the imam, Ibrahim Ali, took the two boys to the local priest after saying that he saw them tear the Koran pages, and demanded that they be punished, according to Mr. Ibrahim. The priest apologized on behalf of the boys, scolded them, and hit one of them. That evening, the imam filed a complaint at the local police station.

The Associated Press quoted the local leader of a hard-line Islamist group as saying that people in the town saw the boys take Koran pages behind a mosque and urinate on them. A local security chief, though, told The A.P. that the boys were found with tarnished pages but that no one saw the children urinate on them.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: October 4, 2012: An earlier version of this article misstated who filed the complaint with the police over the torn Koran pages. It was the imam, Ibrahim Ali, not the local priest.

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Egypt Revolts; speculation that they may annex Libya for its oil

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 6 01:06:04 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Financial Post

Will Egypt seize Libya for its oil?

Lawrence Solomon | Oct 5, 2012 8:10 PM ET | Last Updated: Oct 5, 2012 11:45 PM ET
Will Egypt seize Libya for its oil? Given Egypt’s political ideology, its history with its neighbors, and its material needs, this must be a live issue.

First, Egypt’s needs. Since the Arab Spring began almost two years ago, the Egyptian economy has been collapsing. Egypt’s foreign currency reserves have more than halved and many expect the Egyptian pound, already at its lowest point in eight years, to be devalued. Discontent is widespread. According to Gulf News, “In the past three months, Egypt has experienced increased power cuts that sometimes last for hours, while a fuel and diesel crisis has at times paralyzed the country, with mile-long queues forming outside petrol stations.” The black market price for gas canisters is 10 times higher than the official selling price; for bread, it’s five times higher.

The Muslim Brotherhood government desperately needs a $4.8-billion IMF bailout to stop the bleeding but it refuses to curtail its subsidies, as the IMF demands, for fear of triggering a popular revolt. It is instead hoping for aid from oil states and the U.S. government, but even if this materializes, it will be at best a stopgap. With tourists, the country’s chief source of foreign exchange, steering clear of Egypt because of its anti-Western riots, and with foreign investors equally fearful of venturing into the country, Egypt’s options are daily becoming more limited. The temptation to look next door to Libya could be irresistible, particularly since Egypt views union with Libya as inevitable.

Unlike most of the world, where nationalist sentiments run deep, pride of country is a largely alien notion in the clan-oriented Arab Middle East. Since the 1950s, Arab rulers have made at least 10 attempts to merge their countries together, all but one of them (the United Arab Emirates) short-lived failures that collapsed in five years or less. Among others, Egypt attempted a union with Libya in 1972 and two with Syria in 1958 and 1976; it attempted federations with Libya and Sudan in 1969 and with Libya and Syria in 1971. If plebiscites taken at the time to ratify the new countries are to be believed, these pan-Arabic arrangements tended to be wildly popular at the outset, the peoples of the region quick to embrace new flags and to unsentimentally discard old ones in the name of Arab solidarity.

The lack of national allegiance is all the more striking because Arab governments in the decades following the Second World War were predominantly secular, often military dictatorships that overthrew monarchies and kept the Muslim Brotherhood and other religious zealots at bay. Today the religious zealots are ascendant. And their ideology eschews national borders in favor of a caliphate across the Arab world and beyond.

“We are seeing the dream of the Islamic Caliphate coming true at the hands of Mohammed Morsi,” cleric Safwat Higazy enthused earlier this year at a Morsi political rally.

Following the Arab Spring, the Muslim Brotherhood not only rules Egypt, through its affiliates it controls neighboring Gaza and part of Syria to the north and may be close to seizing power in Jordan. Across the north coast of Africa to the west, with one exception, Muslim Brotherhood groups control Tunisia and Morocco while its Algerian wing, not yet in power, warns of revolution. The one exception is Libya, an immediate neighbor, where the Muslim Brotherhood lost the electoral contest but not the war. An anatomy of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the American consulate in Benghazi points to troubling Egyptian involvement.

The Libyan organization believed to have masterminded the attack, the Jamal Network, was set up by Muhammad Jamal Abu Ahmad, an Egyptian released by the Egyptian government following the Arab Spring. Ahmad, in turn, is affiliated with al-Qaeda and its Egyptian leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who prior to the Sept. 11 attack had called for revenge for the death of a Libyan member of al-Qaeda. Egypt’s president Morsi himself, on the eve of his inauguration as president of Egypt, announced, “I will do everything in my power to secure freedom for … detainees, including Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman,” the “blind sheik” responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Egypt’s government, it is clear, does not eschew associations with terrorists and it cannot be pleased that Libya, its nearest Arab Spring neighbor, has escaped Muslim Brotherhood control. In 1977, Egypt and Libya engaged in war motivated, claimed Libya, by Egyptian designs on Libya’s oil. If a new Arab union ever emerges in the form of an Islamic Caliphate, as Morsi wants, Libya’s oil would be at its disposal. Morsi and others may be wondering, though, why wait?

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Re: Egypt Revolts; (Opinion Piece) speculation that they may annex Libya for its oil

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Oct 6 05:17:08 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; speculation that they may annex Libya for its oil, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 6 01:06:04 2012.

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Title Corrected, don't try to pass off an opinion piece as true speculation.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; speculation that they may annex Libya for its oil

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 6 10:26:18 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; (Opinion Piece) speculation that they may annex Libya for its oil, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Oct 6 05:17:08 2012.

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Do you know what the word "speculation" means? Look it up. Go ahead.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; speculation that they may annex Libya for its oil

Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Oct 6 18:06:25 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; speculation that they may annex Libya for its oil, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 6 01:06:04 2012.

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So Egypt takes over Libya and the Zionist controls them all. Finally some change.

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Egypt Revolts: Egypt’s Islamist revival most evident at the grass roots

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Oct 18 05:47:03 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Freedom of religion seems guaranteed in post-Revolution Egypt, but freedom from religion? Doesn't look that way...

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Egypt’s Islamist revival most evident at the grass roots

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 18 07:04:16 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts: Egypt’s Islamist revival most evident at the grass roots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Oct 18 05:47:03 2012.

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Corrected link

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Egypt’s Islamist revival most evident at the grass roots

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Oct 18 07:16:50 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Egypt’s Islamist revival most evident at the grass roots, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 18 07:04:16 2012.

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thanks

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Imams call for destruction of pyramids

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 13 20:27:12 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Imams call for destruction of pyramids, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 10 17:09:54 2012.

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That is among your most bizarre statements.

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Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 13 20:35:02 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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examiner.com

Sphinx destruction ordered by Egyptian jihadist

Top News | November 13, 2012 | By: Tracey Parece
The Sphinx destruction ordered by Egyptian jihadist Murgan Salem al-Gohary is causing concern in Egypt. According to an unnamed source in the Egyptian Interior Ministry, authorities are taking measures to prevent the destruction of the Sphinx, the pyramids and other archaeological sites that may be in danger. According to The Huffington Post, Murgan Salem al-Gohary appeared on television on Sat., Nov. 10, 2012. During the televised interview on Egypt's Dream TV, he called for the “destruction of the Sphinx and the Giza Pyramids in Egypt" by Muslims.

Citing his time spent as a member of the Taliban, Murgan Salem al-Gohary said, "God ordered Prophet Mohammed to destroy idols. When I was with the Taliban we destroyed the statue of Buddha, something the government failed to do. All Muslims are charged with applying the teachings of Islam to remove such idols, as we did in Afghanistan when we destroyed the Buddha statues."

The Sphinx destruction that the Egyptian jihadist seeks was challenged by vice president of Tunisia’s Ennahda Party, Sheikh Abdel Fattah Moro, who pointed out, "The Prophet destroyed the idols because people worshiped them, but the Sphinx and the Pyramids are not worshiped." In other words, Murgan Salem al-Gohary's logic behind wanting the destruction of the Sphinx and Giza pyramids is flawed. He cites Prophet Mohammed's directive from God to destroy false idols, but these particular archeological structures do not qualify as idols because people do not worship them.

The Great Sphinx of Giza is a statue constructed from limestone that portrays a creature with the body of a lion and the head of a human. It was built during the reign of the Pharaoh Khafra (c. 2558–2532 BCE). Although its original purpose has been hotly debated, it is not generally considered an object of worship. Likewise, the three Giza pyramids were not designed as objects of worship but as tombs.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 13 20:42:54 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 13 20:35:02 2012.

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I hope they succeed. They can do what they want over there.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 13 20:48:14 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 13 20:42:54 2012.

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Poor Olog ... down to necroposting because nothing bad is happening over there. :)

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 13 20:58:27 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 13 20:48:14 2012.

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I hope they destroy the Sphinx. People defend taking down Christmas Trees or renaming them, but get all upset about the Sphinx? Can't have it both ways.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 13 20:58:27 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 13 20:48:14 2012.

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I hope they destroy the Sphinx. People defend taking down Christmas Trees or renaming them, but get all upset about the Sphinx? Can't have it both ways.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 13 20:58:27 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 13 20:48:14 2012.

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I hope they destroy the Sphinx. People defend taking down Christmas Trees or renaming them, but get all upset about the Sphinx? Can't have it both ways.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 13 21:06:14 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 13 20:58:27 2012.

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I think they're just a little bit too busy trying to get their country going ... Olog's gotta reach deep into his pants lately.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 13 21:18:35 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 13 20:42:54 2012.

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If it happens, I wonder how they'll spin it for the administration who forced Mubarak out of power almost two years ago.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 13 21:22:13 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 13 21:18:35 2012.

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And if it doesn't? Will you thank Obama and Hillary?

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 13 21:28:18 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 13 21:18:35 2012.

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well, I would hope that the media would support the destruction the same way they want crosses and Christmas trees removed from American culture. That's why I'm rooting for the Islamists here.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 13 21:30:07 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 13 21:28:18 2012.

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Nope. Remember the media condemnation of the Taliban's destruction of the Bahmiyan Buddhas back in mid-2001?

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 13 21:38:52 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 13 21:30:07 2012.

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There was plenty of outrage over it which is what lead to the movement to depose the Taliban to begin with. Sorry that Germanforeignpolicy.com or Stratfor didn't cover it.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 13 21:39:40 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Leading jihadist calls for destruction of Sphinx, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 13 21:30:07 2012.

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we live in a much different world now.

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Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him "New Pharaoh"

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 19:47:47 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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AFP via Google

Egypt's Morsi assumes sweeping powers, branded new pharaoh

By Jailan Zayan (AFP)
November 22, 2012
CAIRO — Egypt's Islamist President Mohamed Morsi assumed sweeping powers on Thursday, drawing criticism that he is seeking to become a "new pharaoh" and raising questions about the gains of last year's uprising which ousted Hosni Mubarak.

The move is a blow to the pro-democracy movement that toppled the long-time president, himself derided by many as a pharaoh, and raises concerns that Islamists will be further ensconced in power.

Opposition forces denounced the declaration as a "coup" and called for nationwide protests on Friday.

"The president can issue any decision or measure to protect the revolution," according to a decree read out on television by presidential spokesman Yasser Ali.

"The constitutional declarations, decisions and laws issued by the president are final and not subject to appeal."

"This is a coup against legitimacy… We are calling on all Egyptians to protest in all of Egypt's squares on Friday," said Sameh Ashour, head of the Lawyers syndicate, in a joint news conference with leading dissidents Mohamed ElBaradei and Amr Mussa.

They accused Morsi of "monopolizing all three branches of government" and of overseeing "the total execution of the independence of the judiciary."

Nobel laureate and former UN atomic energy agency chief ElBaradei had earlier lashed out at the declaration, which would effectively put the president above judicial oversight.

"Morsi today usurped all state powers and appointed himself Egypt's new pharaoh. A major blow to the revolution that could have dire consequences," ElBaradei wrote on his Twitter account.

The head of the influential Judge's Club, Ahmed al-Zind, told a press conference that the judges would hold an emergency meeting on Saturday to decide on their next step, promising "actions, not words."

Morsi also sacked prosecutor general Abdel Meguid Mahmud, whom he failed to oust last month amid strong misgivings among the president's supporters about the failure to secure convictions of more members of the old regime.

He appointed Talaat Ibrahim Abdallah to replace Mahmud and, within minutes of the announcement, the new prosecutor was shown on television being sworn in.

Abdullah later issued a brief statement on state television, pledging to "work day and night to achieve the goals of the revolution."

In his pronouncement, the president also ordered "new investigations and retrials" in the cases dealing with the deaths of protesters, a decision that could net senior military officials and see Mubarak re-investigated.

He also said no judicial body can dissolve the upper house of parliament or the Islamist-dominated constituent assembly that is writing a new constitution and which has been criticized by the secular-minded opposition for failing to represent all segments of society.

The declaration is aimed at "cleansing state institutions" and "destroying the infrastructure of the old regime," the president's spokesman said.

Ali said Morsi had issued a new law, which is yet to be ratified by the new parliament, calling for the creation of a "revolutionary prosecution" to investigate crimes related to the killing of protesters and to hold accountable anyone who withheld evidence in previous trials.

A senior official with the Justice and Freedom Party, the Muslim Brotherhood's political arm, said the move was necessary to guarantee the revolution was on course.

"We could not find any legal avenue to pinpoint and prosecute those in the ministry of interior who were responsible for killings," Gehad Haddad told AFP.

He said there had been a string of acquittals of interior ministry officials, evidence was withheld in cases, investigations had been weak and many had not been brought to trial over the killings of hundreds of protesters during and since the uprising — a view that secular protesters would agree with.

"The avenues we are taking are born of necessity, not choice," he said.

Heba Morayef, Egypt Director at Human Rights Watch, welcomed the retrials but criticized aspects of the declaration.

"What's fundamentally problematic and threatens both the rule of law and overall democratic checks and balances is his decision to give his decrees immunity from the judiciary until the constitution is passed," Morayef told AFP.

"As a judge, I feel paralyzed," one judge at Egypt's State Council told AFP.

Even before the announcement was read out, Islamists had gathered outside the High Court in central Cairo demanding the "cleansing of the judiciary."

They "will bring justice to the martyrs and will hold the corrupt accountable," said Mahmud Sultan.

But a few kilometers away, there were vocal denunciations of Morsi's declaration.

"We didn't have an uprising so that we put in place another dictator," said a furious Khaled Ali. "He's not just a pharaoh, he thinks he's God."

Morsi, who hails from the powerful Muslim Brotherhood, is the first president to be elected since Mubarak stepped down. He is also the country's first civilian head of state and the first Islamist to lead the Arab world's most populous country.

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Egypt Revolts: Top Brotherhood leader denounces peace with Israel and calls for jihad to continue

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 19:58:58 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Associated Press
Nov 22, 2012 5:06 PM EST

Egypt Brotherhood leader blasts peace with Israel

CAIRO (AP) — The top leader of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood denounced peace efforts with Israel and urged holy war to liberate Palestinian territories on Thursday — one day after the country's president, who hails from the movement, mediated a cease-fire between Israelis and Palestinians to end eight days of fierce fighting.

"The enemy knows nothing but the language of force," said Mohammed Badie. "Be aware of the game of grand deception with which they depict peace accords," he said in a statement carried on the group's website and emailed to reporters.

His statement was a sharp deviation from the role played by President Mohammed Morsi in the last week. Egypt's role in brokering the deal has been hailed by U.S. officials.

The Brotherhood sometimes delivers conflicting messages, depending on its audience. There are also ideological and generational divisions within the movement, with older leaders like Badie often seen as more conservative.

The Muslim Brotherhood doesn't recognize Israel and — at least officially — its members refuse to hold direct talks with Israeli officials. But Morsi has said that he will abide by the terms of Egypt's 1979 treaty with Israel, and many members say they are in little hurry to enter into armed conflict with the Jewish state.

Badie declared that "jihad is obligatory" for Muslims. But he also said that taking up arms would be the "last stage," only after Muslims achieved unity. "The use of force and arms while the group is fragmented and disconnected, unorganized, weak in conviction, with faint faith - this will be destined for death."

In the meantime, he called on Muslims to "back your brothers in Palestine. Supply them with what they need; seek victory for them in all international arenas." Badie's title — General Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood — also implies a leadership role in the Islamist group's sister movements across the world.

Under the deal, Gaza's ruling Hamas is to stop rocket fire into Israel while Israel is to cease attacks and allow the opening of the strip's long-blockaded borders.

The Hamas-Israel fighting was the first major international test for Morsi, who was caught between either supporting Hamas, one of the Egyptian Brotherhood's sister movements, and Cairo's regional and international commitments.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh''

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 23 13:01:58 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him "New Pharaoh", posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 19:47:47 2012.

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Too much for the libs, I see. Go on: start cheerleading, if you can.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh''

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 23 13:07:56 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him "New Pharaoh", posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 19:47:47 2012.

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So these people throw out Mubarak, bring in an Islamist from a party that favors Sharia law and now they're unhappy again?

What do these people want, anyway? If they want an Islamist, you can't expect him to act democratically. The two don't mix, as we have seen.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh''

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 23 13:22:36 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh'', posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 23 13:07:56 2012.

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Same thing is going to happen in Iraq, and already has happened in part (Islamist constitution that names Israel as their number-one enemy in the region). Bush was letting the libs guide him there.

ElBaradei is posturing for the press, I think. He must have known that any alternative to Mubarak would have been a Sharia dictatorship.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh''

Posted by rkba on Fri Nov 23 13:30:39 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh'', posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 23 13:07:56 2012.

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The two don't mix, as we have seen.

Unfortunately, that's the atmosphere they've created. If you ask some of our resident leftists here though, white christian males are the real problem.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 23 15:01:15 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh'', posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 23 13:07:56 2012.

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The people who overthrew Mubarak are not the same people who elected Morsi.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh''

Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 23 15:08:20 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 23 15:01:15 2012.

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Your statement does not fit with the underlying thesis that this is all Obama's fault.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh''

Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Nov 23 15:09:09 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh'', posted by rkba on Fri Nov 23 13:30:39 2012.

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Come on and grow some balls and name names instead of generalizing.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh''

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 23 16:29:13 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh'', posted by rkba on Fri Nov 23 13:30:39 2012.

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why would "white christian males" be a problem..if they are TRUE CHRISTIANS?

Luke warmers..often love to call themselves "Christians",but never EVER follow what Christianity outlines as the walk of faith...but follow their own versions/interpretation of what it means.

True Christianity is hard..and easy.
Hard,because you have to find a way to love those that either hate YOU or you hate.
Hard..to find a middle ground emotionally,but still love.
Hard..to be angry,yet not offend or be offended.
hard to keep the faith..and not despair sometimes over "worldly things"

Easy..because no matter how hard life becomes..or rough...you will endure it due to the spirit of God living within you..

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh''

Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Nov 23 17:45:53 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Morsi assumes sweeping powers; critics brand him ''New Pharaoh'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 23 15:01:15 2012.

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a secular totalitarian dictatorship that suppresses religion is the only safe government for arab muslims.

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