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Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 16 00:45:48 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation), posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 16 00:30:22 2012.

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And of course he also credits Carter for PNAC's mission for the evangelicals over there. :-\

I think he's moved past the jacket, yo ... he's become Houdini. :)

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Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation)

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Aug 16 06:26:10 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 16 00:13:00 2012.

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Incorrect Olog, you're caught in another lie.... good job there buddy!

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Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation)

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 16 07:18:44 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation), posted by ClearAspect on Thu Aug 16 06:26:10 2012.

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Not a lie - just selective news reporting.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation)

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 16 14:50:18 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation), posted by ClearAspect on Thu Aug 16 06:26:10 2012.

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What lie? You calling liberal Ha'aretz liars? Prove it.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation)

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 16 14:52:30 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation), posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 16 00:30:22 2012.

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What false? Your POS link is four days out of date, fascist. And Ha'aretz is a liberal newspaper.

You don't mind if I call the FBI on you, I hope?

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Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation)

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 16 14:54:00 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 16 07:18:44 2012.

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What selective news reporting, and by whom? The Ha'aretz article says what the four-day-old AP article said, but updates by pointing out that there were additional troop buildups that happened without Israel's permission. Something wrong with you too?

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Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation)

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Aug 16 17:00:22 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 16 14:52:30 2012.

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Call the FBI on him the FBI would laugh at you and watch you instead you liar. You caught in a lie. No other international news agency even made a mention of this. Take your bs news articles and go somewhere else. This isn't the 1950s.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation)

Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Aug 16 17:29:53 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 16 00:45:48 2012.

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They should take EVERY ONE of his internets away.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation)

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 16 17:53:51 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation), posted by RockParkMan on Thu Aug 16 17:29:53 2012.

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Who, SMAZcist the four-day-old-news-story terrorist supporter? Absolutely.

You do know Ha'aretz is anything but "right wing", right? They're aligned with papers like the NY Times and NY Daily News. Do yourself a big, big favor and read the article, and stop being a rocKKKparKKKnazi.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation)

Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Aug 16 18:08:35 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 16 17:53:51 2012.

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The right wing needs to be outlawed.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation)

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 17 04:03:04 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, deploys troops in Sinai without notifying Israel (blatant treaty violation), posted by ClearAspect on Thu Aug 16 17:00:22 2012.

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No other international news agency even made a mention of this

Hardly any other international news agency cares. Did you hear about the rockets shot into Israel from Gaza during the Olympics?

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Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 17 20:40:27 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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The Algemeiner

Muslim Brotherhood ‘Crucifies’ Opponents, Attacks Secular Media

August 16, 2012 9:58 am
Raymond Ibrahim
Last week in Egypt, when Muslim Brotherhood supporters terrorized the secular media, several Arabic websites—including Arab News, Al Khabar News, Dostor Watany, and Egypt Now—reported that people were being “crucified.” The relevant excerpt follows in translation:
A Sky News Arabic correspondent in Cairo confirmed that protestors belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others. Likewise, Muslim Brotherhood supporters locked the doors of the media production facilities of 6-October [a major media region in Cairo], where they proceeded to attack several popular journalists.
That there were attacks and violence—both in front of Egypt’s presidential palace and at major media facilities, is well-documented. An August 9 report by El Balad, a widely read Egyptian website, gives the details:
Last Wednesday, August 8, “thousands of the Muslim Brotherhood’s supporters” attacked 6-October’s media facilities, beat Khaled Salah—chief editor of the privately-owned and secular Youm 7 newspaper—prevented Yusif al-Hassani, an On TV broadcaster, from entering the building, and generally “terrorized the employees.”
El Balad adds that the supporters of Tawfik Okasha, another vocal critic of President Morsi—the one who widely disseminated the graphic video of a Muslim apostate being slaughtered to cries of “Allahu Akbar”—gathered around the presidential palace, only to be surrounded by Brotherhood supporters, who “attacked them with sticks, knives, and Molotov cocktails, crucifying some of them on trees, leading to the deaths of two and the wounding of dozens.”

Far from condemning these terrorists, Al Azhar, Egypt’s most authoritative Islamic institution, has just issued a fatwa calling for more violence and oppression, saying that “fighting participants in anti-Muslim Brotherhood demonstrations planned for 24 August is a religious obligation.”

Most of the aforementioned Arabic sites point out that these attacks are part of the Muslim Brotherhood’s campaign to intimidate and thus censor Egypt’s secular media from exposing the group’s Islamist agenda, which Youm 7, On TV, and Okasha do daily. [Note: the latter's channel was recently shut down, despite Morsi's previous reassurances that "no station or media will be shut down in my era."]

These threats are not new; back in April, an organization called the “Jihad Group to Cleanse the Country” threatened these media with “painful and severe punishments.” Apparently now that Morsi has become master of Egypt, threats are becoming reality, just as promises are being broken.

And the threats are taking their toll. Sky News, which was first to report about the crucifixions, has taken down its original article (though the URL still appears in the address box with the Arabic words “protesters-crucified-in front of-egypt’s-presidential-palace”).

While one may argue that Sky News removed the article because it was found false, one can equally argue that it censored itself for fear that it would be next in the terror campaign against the media.

In reality, there is little reason to doubt this crucifixion story. Militant Muslims crucifying their opponents is a regular feature of the Islamic world—recent cases coming from the Ivory Coast, where two Christian brothers were crucified, similarly by supporters of a Muslim president who ousted a Christian; Indonesia, where Islamic separatists crucified a fellow Muslim for being a military informant; and in Iraq, where Muslim militants crucified Christian children.

Moreover, those alleged to have been crucified in Egypt certainly fit the Koran’s description of who deserves to be crucified. According to Allah, “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this: that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off…” (Koran 5:33).

“Making mischief in the land” is precisely what the secular media is being accused of, by constantly exposing the Muslim Brotherhood and its Islamist agenda. Even the Jihad Group to Cleanse the Country, which threatens to “liquidate” many secular media, accuses them of “creating chaos to implement the American and Zionist agenda.”

Finally, it is telling that only a few months ago, and for the first time in Egypt’s modern history, an Egyptian MP proposed to institutionalize Sharia’s most draconian punishments—including crucifixion.

In short, under the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the bottle has been uncorked and the Islamic Genie set loose. Expect much worse to come.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion

Posted by mr mabstoa on Sat Aug 18 01:41:58 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 17 20:40:27 2012.

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Anderson Cooper, where are you?

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Aug 18 02:44:38 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 17 20:40:27 2012.

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Yet no videos, photos or western media, hell even al jazeera has not mentoned such an event taking place. Also with the Military still opposed to the Islamiats they would've pounced on this for any actions they wanted. Then the ending of the articke makes it look like the journalist has an agenda.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion

Posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 18 06:23:51 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Aug 18 02:44:38 2012.

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While I agree it sounds far-fetched, there's been a reshuffling of the military and the old guard is being replaced by younger officers who aren't pro-US and possibly more sympathetic to Islamism. Or maybe not.

In an Onionesque twist, the new Defense Minister's name is Lt. Gen. Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Aug 18 08:27:59 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion, posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 18 06:23:51 2012.

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The change in the military is indeed intriguing but in the end it comes down to the $$$. If the military officers don't get paid or they're being threatened and killed by islamists themselves. I doubt the military will support islamists if they're becoming the ones targeted.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Aug 18 08:50:42 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Aug 18 08:27:59 2012.

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the islamofascitst will move cautiously, a slow but steady purge of pro civilization generals will start the conversion of the military. Later, lower ranks of officers will be cleansed, as the conversion progresses, the outcomes will be more violent as purged officers and pro civilization enlisted men are savagely executed by the loyal islamists. Ultimately, the Egyptian military will become an islamist "global force for evil"

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion

Posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 18 08:52:10 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Aug 18 08:27:59 2012.

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It's hard to pinpoint what's going to happen. The younger military, of which el-Sisi is a part of, were disgruntled at basically, military matters, such as lack of equipment upgrades, salary, etc. The killing of soldiers by militants was a source of shame as well.
The military may have bargained some of their political clout in return for more autonomy to build a stronger military. I'd read some anti US comments by a member of the Egyptian army but I can't find them now. Maybe he was "edited" lol.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Aug 18 10:49:15 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 17 20:40:27 2012.

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While one may argue that Sky News removed the article because it was found false

ahem....

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 19 14:33:07 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood Executing Opponents by Crucifixion, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Aug 18 02:44:38 2012.

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Ottawa Citizen isn't "western media"?

And why would al-Jazeera announce it?

The military is not opposed to the Islamists. How many times do you need to be told??

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Egypt Revolts; Thomas L. Friedman says Morsi oughta be "ashamed of himself"

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 30 02:09:54 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Waah. Thanks for making the liberal side look weaker and more ignorant than ever, Mr. Friedman. Mubarak sure wasn't lying, was he? and Morsi knows exactly what he's doing, laughing all the way.

NY Times

Morsi’s Wrong Turn

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: August 28, 2012
I find it very disturbing that one of the first trips by Egypt’s newly elected president, Mohamed Morsi, will be to attend the Nonaligned Movement’s summit meeting in Tehran this week. Excuse me, President Morsi, but there is only one reason the Iranian regime wants to hold the meeting in Tehran and have heads of state like you attend, and that is to signal to Iran’s people that the world approves of their country’s clerical leadership and therefore they should never, ever, ever again think about launching a democracy movement — the exact same kind of democracy movement that brought you, Mr. Morsi, to power in Egypt.

In 2009, this Iranian regime literally killed the Green Revolution. It gunned down hundreds and jailed thousands of Iranians who wanted the one thing that Egyptians got: to have their votes counted honestly and the results respected. Morsi, who was brought to power by a courageous democracy revolution that neither he nor his Muslim Brotherhood party started — but who benefited from the free and fair election that followed — is lending his legitimacy to an Iranian regime that brutally crushed just such a movement in Tehran. This does not augur well for Morsi’s presidency. In fact, he should be ashamed of himself.

“The Iranian regime has offered Morsi a sanitized tour of its nuclear facilities” noted Karim Sadjadpour, the Iran expert at the Carnegie Endowment. “As a former political prisoner in Mubarak’s Egypt, Morsi should also request a visit to Tehran’s notorious Evin prison. It will remind him of his own past, and offer him a glimpse of Iran’s future.”

Egyptian officials say Morsi is only stopping in Tehran for a few hours to hand over the presidency of the Nonaligned Movement to Iran from Egypt. Really? He could have done that by mail. It would have sent a powerful democratic message. By the way, what is the Nonaligned Movement anymore?

“Nonaligned against what and between whom?” asked Michael Mandelbaum, a foreign policy specialist at Johns Hopkins. The Nonaligned Movement was conceived at the Bandung summit in 1955, but there was a logic to it then. The world was divided between Western democratic capitalists and Eastern Communists, and developing states like Egypt, Yugoslavia and Indonesia declared themselves “nonaligned” with these two blocs. But “there is no Communist bloc today,” said Mandelbaum. “The main division in the world is between democratic and undemocratic countries.”

Is Morsi nonaligned in that choice? Is he nonaligned when it comes to choosing between democracies and dictatorships — especially the Iranian one that is so complicit in crushing the Syrian rebellion as well? And by the way, why is Ban Ki-moon, the United Nations secretary general, lending his hand to this Iranian whitewashing festival? What a betrayal of Iranian democrats.

This has nothing to do with Israel or Iran’s nukes. If Morsi wants to maintain a cold peace with Israel, that is his business. As for Morsi himself, I’d like to see him succeed in turning Egypt around. It would be a huge boost to democracy in the Arab world. But what Egypt needs most will not be found in Tehran. Morsi’s first big trip shouldn’t have been to just China and Iran. It should have been all across Europe and Asia to reassure investors and tourists that Egypt is open for business again — and maybe on to Silicon Valley and then Caltech to meet with Egypt’s Nobel Prize-winning chemist, Ahmed Zewail, to signal a commitment to reviving education in Egypt, where half the women are illiterate.

If Morsi needs a primer on the democracy movement in Iran (whose Islamic regime broke relations with Egypt in 1979 to protest the peace treaty with Israel) he can read the one offered by Stanford’s Iran expert, Abbas Milani, on the United States Institute of Peace Web site: “The Green Movement reached its height when up to 3 million peaceful demonstrators turned out on Tehran streets to protest official claims that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won the 2009 presidential election in a landslide. Their simple slogan was: ‘Where is my vote?’ ... Over the next six months, the Green Movement evolved from a mass group of angry voters to a nationwide force demanding the democratic rights originally sought in the 1979 revolution, rights that were hijacked by radical clerics. ... As momentum grew behind the Green Movement, the government response was increasingly tough. In the fall of 2009, more than 100 of the Green Movement’s most important leaders, activists and theorists appeared in show trials reminiscent of Joseph Stalin’s infamous trials in the 1930s.” By early 2010, the regime had quashed all public opposition.

That is the regime that Morsi will be helping to sanitize. One at least hopes he read the letter sent to him by an Iranian democracy group, Green Messengers of Hope, urging Morsi to remind his Iranian hosts “of the fates of the leaders who kept turning their backs on the votes of their people, and to urge them to govern their country relying on the support of the Iranian people rather than military forces.” Morsi might want to even remind himself of that.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Thomas L. Friedman says Morsi oughta be ''ashamed of himself''

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Aug 30 10:47:37 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; Thomas L. Friedman says Morsi oughta be "ashamed of himself", posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 30 02:09:54 2012.

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Morsi has made several trips. How many trips do you get that you can call one of your first?

Why isn't this guy outraged that this was Obama's first visit, where he defended the 'brotherhood'. Maybe he didn't know it meant something else.

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Egypt Revolts, regards Iran as a "strategic partner"

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 1 00:31:06 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Tehran Times

Egypt views Iran as a strategic partner: Morsi

On Line: 31 August 2012 17:17
In Print: Saturday 01 September 2012
TEHRAN — Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi has described Iran as its strategic partner and praised its progress on the path toward growth and development.

“Egypt recognizes Iran as its strategic partner, and believes that everyone should provide favorable conditions for regional developments with a positive outlook to the future,” Morsi said on Thursday during a meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad held on the sidelines of the Non-Aligned Movement summit in Tehran.

The Egyptian president also stated, “The feelings of friendship and brotherhood between the people of Iran and Egypt are mutual, and we always praise Iran’s progressive and constructive stance in the direction of growth and development.”

Morsi said the relationships between Islamic countries are the basis for strategic relations, adding, “The true interests of the nations of the region lie in [the fact] that we [must] all create suitable policies using existing structures… on the basis of multilateral relations.” He added, “We believe that all countries in the region need to cooperate in a collective effort to solve the current problems.”

During the same meeting, the Iranian president stated, “We believe that free and open elections must be held everywhere, and this should be done on the basis of public participation.”

YS/HG

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Re: Egypt Revolts, regards Iran as a ''strategic partner''

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Sep 2 10:00:27 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts, regards Iran as a "strategic partner", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 1 00:31:06 2012.

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And Iran with North Korea.

With Syria out of the loop, i wonder how long until those mystery reactors are rebuilt in Egypt.
I mean Egypt.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, regards Iran as a ''strategic partner''

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 2 10:26:08 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts, regards Iran as a "strategic partner", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 1 00:31:06 2012.

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Another coup for the obama state department. They sure do understand the middle east.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Thomas L. Friedman says Morsi oughta be ''ashamed of himself''

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 2 11:09:27 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; Thomas L. Friedman says Morsi oughta be "ashamed of himself", posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 30 02:09:54 2012.

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More evidence that hard lefties are nothing more than useful idiots to Arab tyrants.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Thomas L. Friedman says Morsi oughta be ''ashamed of himself''

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 2 11:42:50 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Thomas L. Friedman says Morsi oughta be ''ashamed of himself'', posted by orange blossom special on Thu Aug 30 10:47:37 2012.

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Why isn't this guy outraged that this was Obama's first visit, where he defended the 'brotherhood'

NY Times, remember?

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Thomas L. Friedman says Morsi oughta be ''ashamed of himself''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 2 16:50:34 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Thomas L. Friedman says Morsi oughta be ''ashamed of himself'', posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 2 11:09:27 2012.

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And yet it was PNAC that set all this up. Right wing propaganda ... it's not just for breakfast anymore.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Thomas L. Friedman says Morsi oughta be ''ashamed of himself''

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Sep 2 16:59:49 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Thomas L. Friedman says Morsi oughta be ''ashamed of himself'', posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 2 11:09:27 2012.

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you just like Nazi tort reform.

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Egypt Revolts; female newscaster wears hijab on air

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 5 01:23:30 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Reuters via Yahoo News

Egypt's veiled news anchor stirs debate

Mon Sep 3, 2012 9:04pm IST
CAIRO (Reuters) — Egypt's first veiled newsreader on state television has drawn support from many viewers for ending an unwritten rule under ousted Hosni Mubarak that kept covered women out of the top job, although some fretted it could herald social restrictions.

Fatma Nabil appeared on television on Sunday evening wearing make-up, a smart black jacket and a beige "hijab" or veil covering her hair, the same kind of covering most women wear in Egypt but never seen on a news anchor on state TV.

"The appearance of a veiled announcer on Egyptian television for the first time is a victory for freedoms and does not diminish (freedoms) as some imagine. Is barring a veiled woman from presenting a program freedom?" said Samih Toukan, posting a note on the subject on albawaba website.

Although some female talk show hosts on the state broadcaster have worn the hijab, Mubarak's more secular-minded authorities kept veiled women out of the prominent newsreading role on television, seen as the face of the nation.

"This is a case of personal freedom. There is no problem," said Khaled Atef, a bank employee speaking on a busy Cairo street, adding it should not be considered a political gesture.

After Mohamed Mursi won the presidential election and his Muslim Brotherhood dominated the parliamentary poll, some liberals and minority Christians have voiced worries that religious codes could be imposed to restrict their freedoms.

Mursi, who like many members of the Brotherhood was jailed under Mubarak, dismisses such worries, saying he represents everyone.

But some critics said the latest move on state television meant the Brotherhood, known as the Ikhwan in Arabic, was gradually extending its influence over society.

"No to the Ikhwanization of the news," wrote commentator Loai El Ashry on the website of the independent daily Al-Masry al-Youm.

Another man, who only called himself "Oppressed Muslim", wrote on the state broadcaster's website EgyNews: "I am oppressed by the actions of the Brotherhood ... who want all of Egypt to become the Brotherhood as if we are not Muslims and will only become so in their presence."

Mursi has been criticized for seeking to muzzle the press. Two journalists face trial for insulting the president and the Brotherhood-dominated upper house of parliament has picked new editors for top state newspapers, a common practice under Mubarak that activists said should have stopped under Mursi.

Mursi's aides dismiss the criticism, pointing to his frequently voiced commitment to free speech and his decision to pass a law to end the pre-trial detention of people facing press-related charges.

Some Egyptians, such as journalist Rawya Rageh writing on Twitter, welcomed the reversal of a restriction on veiled women but said the debate about change should go much deeper.

"Reform in state media should be about more than appearances (veil) — it should be about undoing the practice of being the state's mouthpiece," she wrote.

Shahira Amin, a news anchor on state-run Nile TV, who does not wear the veil, said it had long been an unwritten rule to bar women wearing the hijab from the newsreader's role.

"The long unfair discrimination against veiled women has been removed after the revolution, as they were the ones discriminated against, not us," she told Reuters.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; female newscaster wears hijab on air

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 5 01:37:55 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; female newscaster wears hijab on air, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 5 01:23:30 2012.

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Funny ... while religion has flown to the forefront of correctness in America, we're supposed to be surprised by it in a Muslim country. Talk about two-faced. :(

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Iran Redux!!! US Embassy attacked!!!

Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Sep 11 16:21:57 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Cnn Breaking News Alert:
"Angry protesters climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo today and hauled down its U.S. flags, replacing them with black flags with Islamic emblems.

The incident prompted U.S. security guards to fire off a volley of warning shots as a large crowd gathered outside, apparently upset about the production of a Dutch film thought to insult the prophet Mohammed, said CNN producer Mohammed Fahmy, who was on the scene.

An Embassy operator told CNN that the facility had been cleared of diplomatic personnel earlier in the day, ahead of the apparent threat, while Egyptian riot police were called to help secure the Embassy walls."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world/meast/egpyt-us-embassy-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Iran Redux!!! US Embassy attacked!!!

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 11 16:26:00 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Iran Redux!!! US Embassy attacked!!!, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Sep 11 16:21:57 2012.

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Hardly Iran Redux. A few dozen people scaled the walls, a few thousand were outside. The building was not taken over. The attack was not supported by the government.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Iran Redux!!! US Embassy attacked!!!

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 11 18:35:37 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Iran Redux!!! US Embassy attacked!!!, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Sep 11 16:21:57 2012.

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Turns out that the nutball preacher from Florida, "Dr. Terry Jones" distributed a movie over there insulting Islam and Mohammad. That's what triggered this - the Quran-burner.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Iran Redux!!! US Embassy attacked!!!

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 20:44:04 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Iran Redux!!! US Embassy attacked!!!, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Sep 11 16:21:57 2012.

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Thanks. Captain Obvious himself couldn't have convinced the hardcore peaceniks that this was coming.

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Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 13 14:53:51 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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This is way beyond jizyah.

Yedioth Ahronoth

Egypt shul to stay empty on Yom Kippur

For first time in years, last active synagogue in Alexandria will likely not open for prayer services on High Holidays due to security concerns. 'This means the end of Judaism in Egypt,' says Jewish organization chairperson

Roi Kais
Published: 09.04.12, 14:04 / Israel Jewish Scene
For the first time in years, it appears that Alexandria's ancient Eliyahu Hanavi Synagogue will not open for Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur prayer services. The magnificent building, erected in the 19th century, is considered the last active synagogue in Egypt.

According to reports, the Egyptians have decided not to allow the prayer this year for security reasons.

The decision was delivered to Rabbi Avraham Dayan, an Israeli of Egyptian descent and the former rabbi of Alexandria, who every year organizes a quorum of volunteers from Israel and other countries to pray at the ancient synagogue on the High Holidays.

Rabbi Dayan told Ynet, "We are trying to organize a quorum, but because of the security-related situation we're not really succeeding. We are still in touch with the Egyptian security organizations and are trying to make some progress… This year there have been some violent demonstrations in Alexandria, and they're afraid to take responsibility over people."

According to the rabbi, the decision to prevent the quorum has nothing to do with the Muslim Brotherhood's rise to power in Egypt. He said he had spoken to the leader of the Jewish community in Alexandria, who expressed his fear that worshippers would be targeted.

"Of course I'm disappointed," said Rabbi Dayan. "Everything was ready, and now we're forced to cancel. But we are preparing for any change, and if that happens — we'll leave for the synagogue."

'Mubarak era was different'

According to Levana Zamir, president of the Israel-Egypt Friendship Association, "Rabbi Dayan holds a quorum at the synagogue every year. There used to be a quorum of Jewish men in the city in the past, but there are fewer people in recent years so they had to bring some 'reinforcement' from Israel.

"The volunteers would stay in Alexandria 10 days, and the flights would be funded by the Joint. I personally supplied Rabbi Dayan with people from the community who were ready to come. It's not that pleasant to leave one's family for 10 days, but there are those who care and were willing to do it."

Zamir believes there is a connection between the new government and the failure to hold a quorum in Alexandria this year. "When they don't want something to take place, they mention security reasons," she claims.

"This will be the first time that this synagogue will not host Rosh Hashana prayers, and this means the end of Judaism there. The building's architecture is amazing. It was built there instead of a synagogue from the Hellenistic period. A year and a half ago it was supposed to be renovated with American funds, but the process was halted immediately after (former Egyptian President Hosni) Mubarak was toppled. There were restrictions in Mubarak's era as well, but not like this."

Egypt's National Security Council was expected to hold another meeting and make a final decision on the matter.

According to Zamir, "The leader of the Jewish community in Alexandria, Ben Gaon, told Rabbi Dayan that there may be a change, but our friends in the organization of Egyptian Jews in Paris, who are in touch with Ben Gaon, say he doesn't think there will be a change. The new people in the security organizations are not well-established there yet, and it's easier to say no than yes."

According to several reports, there are only one or two Jewish men in Alexandria, and another 15 Jewish widows who married non-Jewish men. In Cairo there is a very small number of Jewish widows, who have also married non-Jewish men.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 13 15:14:11 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 13 14:53:51 2012.

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More details on this development here.

Closed: Last Synagogue in Egypt

by Shiraz Maher
September 7, 2012 at 4:45 am

Where religious fanatics have started by persecuting minorities, it has not been long before they turned on their own, accusing them of irreligiousness, heresy and insidious betrayal. The religious freedoms of all Egyptians are in peril.

Fears for the future of religious minorities in Egypt were accentuated last week when it was announced that the last synagogue in the country would be closed down. The Eliyahu Hanavi Synagogue, which had operated in Alexandria, was the last functioning center of Jewish life in the country. It is now clear that its cavernous halls, built in the nineteenth century, will not be open to worshippers hoping to mark Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur services this year.

Traditionally, the synagogue has been managed by an Israeli rabbi of Egyptian descent who frequently returns to the country to lead services there. Although there are many synagogues around Egypt, the one in Alexandria is the only active one, the others having been turned into tourist sites.

This year, as Rabbi Avraham Dayan was making preparations for the High Holidays he was told that the Egyptian authorities could not guarantee the safety and security of those wanting to attend the synagogue. Dayan told Ynet:
"This year there have been some violent demonstrations in Alexandria, and they [sic] are afraid to take responsibility over people…We are trying to organize a quorum, but because of the security-related situation we are not really succeeding. We are still in touch with the Egyptian security organizations and are trying to make some progress."
Sectarian tensions across Egypt have been heightened ever since last year's revolution, with Christian minorities bearing the brunt of the violence.

One of the unintended consequences of the Arab Spring is the guarantee of security — long assured by the region's old dictators; it has been cast away by the tide of popular unrest sweeping the region.

The power vacuum and instability caused by the overthrow of Mubarak empowered Salafist and Brotherhood activists who increasingly stoke sectarian tensions. Last October, when Christian activists took to the streets of Cairo to protest their mistreatment, they were first involved in scuffles with radical Islamists before the army moved in. During the resulting crackdown, more than 25 Christian protesters were killed and more than 300 injured. It marked one of the most bloody and shameful sectarian episodes in Egypt's recent history. A Copt protester, Alfred Younan, told Reuters:
Why didn't they do this with the Salafists or the Muslim Brotherhood when they organized protests? This is not my country any more.
This kind of instability has meant the Jewish presence in Egypt has steadily declined over much of the last century, and has now dwindled to just a handful in Cairo and Alexandria. A study by Stanley Urman of Jews for Justice from Arab Countries has found that this exodus started with the first Nationality Code in Egypt, passed in May 1926.

The Code stipulated that an Egyptian born to a "foreign" father — even if the father had been born in Egypt and had been previously recognized as Egyptian — was only able to claim citizenship if the father could prove that he:
…belonged racially to the majority of the population of a country whose language is Arabic or whose religion is Islam.
This law effectively blocked Jews from claiming Egyptian citizenship and relegated them to a lesser legal status in their own country. Later, because the Jews were not officially Egyptian, the government was able to expel a number of them.

This problem was accentuated in 1947, when amendments were passed which stipulated that at least 75% of administrative employees in any company had to by Egyptian, while 90% of the overall workforce also had to be Egyptian. This, of course, struck against Jewish commerce in the country, placed stifling strictures on some of their business, and accelerated the departure of more Jews.

The news that Egypt's last synagogue, the Eliyahu Hanavi, will now be unable to hold services effectively brings an end to any remaining semblance of Jewish life in Egypt. This is something which should concern not just Jews, but Muslims too, as it epitomizes growing intolerance and persecution of a minority. Where religious fanatics have started by persecuting minorities, it has not been long before they turned on their own, accusing them of irreligiousness, heresy and insidious betrayal. The religious freedoms of all Egyptians are in peril.

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Egypt Revolts! The brilliance of Dennis Prager

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 13 17:38:42 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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It's funny how the element is no longer posting in this thread. The element has scurried away like little rodents.

Dennis Prager was right all along.

link here

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Re: Egypt Revolts! The brilliance of Dennis Prager

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Sep 13 17:42:50 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts! The brilliance of Dennis Prager, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 13 17:38:42 2012.

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Wow an opinion piece how riveting! You're just a coward who wont reply to anything and hide behind the LOL excuse of a contract dispute you racist scumbag.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 13 20:34:39 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 13 14:53:51 2012.

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Fascinating. Obama's spring managed to do what countless...and i mean countless other leaders could not accomplish. And those other leaders had concentration camps.

Do we have any quotes about Egypt being the model for the rest of the region? Or is that just a few subchatters?



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Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 13 20:43:32 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 13 20:34:39 2012.

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Do you actually believe that Obama had anything to do with PNAC? I mean really ... Cheney would have shot him first.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 13 20:44:19 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 13 20:34:39 2012.

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You two are made for each other.

This synagogue did NOT have active parishioners. Israelis would go there for the holidays and then go back just for nostalgia.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! The brilliance of Dennis Prager

Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 13 22:28:12 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts! The brilliance of Dennis Prager, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 13 17:38:42 2012.

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He usually is.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Sep 14 11:23:49 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 13 20:43:32 2012.

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I'm tired of people rooting for something, and then ignoring the cause and effect endgame like they have nothing to do with it. This goes for even if you vote wrong imo.

And apparently Quail is a big thing, they sell them in the supermarkets. With the price of beef however...

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Sep 14 11:24:58 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 13 20:34:39 2012.

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Correction.

Sorry I am wrong.

Tunisia is the model for the middle east.

Egypt was the model for the USA and occupy. Look at the signs the hippies had in all the camps and Wisconsin.

And I don't need to bring up the anti-semitic chants from occupy.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Sep 14 11:25:48 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 13 20:44:19 2012.

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Are you an Israeli?

Envoking subchat rules from precedent, if you are not a resident or active in the place, you are not to know anything about it.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by Fred G on Fri Sep 14 11:36:37 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 13 20:44:19 2012.

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You two are made for each other.

They DO wear matching jackets :P

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Sep 14 11:41:13 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 13 14:53:51 2012.

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No biggie. The Torah prohibits Jews from living in Egypt anyway. See Exodus 14:13 and Deut. 17:16. Jewish scholars, including Nachmonides, have interpreted these passages as prohibiting Jews from returning to Egypt to reside, since God took them out.

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 14 12:49:25 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Sep 14 11:23:49 2012.

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Don't have to go to the supermarket for them around here ... and they even know how to spell "potatoe" properly. :)

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Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Sep 14 14:29:57 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts: Last Synagogue In Egypt Shuts Down, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 13 20:44:19 2012.

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This synagogue did NOT have active parishioners.

The article doesn't say that. It didn't have ten male active parishoners.

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