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TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots... |
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Posted by FutureKBArticOP on Thu Aug 16 21:50:30 2007 I took TA Bus Operator Exam number 5025 last year. If I take the job and I'd like to be able to move around which you cannot do in Queens(QV is the closest depot to me). So if I went to Brooklyn and when the General pick came I opted for lets say....100th street. Would I lose my civil service status? |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Aug 16 22:04:10 2007, in response to TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by FutureKBArticOP on Thu Aug 16 21:50:30 2007. I had heard that you could cross the TA/OA barrier, but you'd go to the bottom of the seniority list. I also heard the same with switching between depots in Queens division. |
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Posted by FutureKBArticOP on Thu Aug 16 22:12:51 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by WayneJay on Thu Aug 16 22:04:10 2007. Yeah in Queens it's rough. At QV it's bad for new B/O's who want to make money because even the overtime is based on seniority which means if someone with more time wants it. you're not gettin it. That's different because at JAM and CS they try and break it up so that everybody gets some. Anyway yeah if you want to go from lets say CS to Qv you can but you will lose all seniority. If you want to go from OA to TA you still have to take the civil service exam but it's consider a transfer. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Aug 16 22:13:26 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by WayneJay on Thu Aug 16 22:04:10 2007. You can now move from Brooklyn to OA with the new Pick coming up. Now here the catch, only people how started 2002 to present can move without loseing seniority. But if you started before 2002 you will lose seniority up untill the 2002 year. So lets say I was still a B/O and I started in 1995 and wanted to move the Manhaton Ville. I would lose all time up untill Janary of 2002. I will then be in fount of the rest who started in 2002.Robert |
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Posted by FutureKBArticOP on Thu Aug 16 22:19:09 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Aug 16 22:13:26 2007. I doubt that this will stretch to Queens though. If it does it wont happen for a while. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Aug 16 23:11:26 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Aug 16 22:13:26 2007. However, if someone ends up bumped out of a TA depot into OA, will that person lose civil service? |
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Posted by FutureKBArticOP on Thu Aug 16 23:23:35 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Aug 16 23:11:26 2007. I hope not. That's very like for people on my exam list/class. We took the survey (#'s1-250). |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 00:03:23 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Aug 16 22:13:26 2007. Here's a brief synopsis of the October TA/OA General pick:Transfers Between NYCTA/MaBstoa On The Agenda Transfer Rules NYCTA /MABSTOA I. Once a year there will be a system pick held in October for January. II. There are three Divisions Brooklyn, MaBSTOA & 126th Street. lii. All transfers will pick according to date of HIRE. IV. Pick hours for all three Divisions will be from 09:00 hrs — 1900 hrs. V. Once you turn in your SIGNED pick slip or Letter of Intent it is FINAL. (No changes will be made). VI. A copy of the rules of SUPER Seniority will be posted · If you wish to return to your prior division you must submit a Letter of Intent at the time of your summer pick. · I Understand that I have until the next system pick to return to my prior Division and obtain my original seniority in that Division. Beginning October 2007 NYCTA/MaBSTOA will conduct a General pick to coincide with each other. Bus Operators will for the first time be able to transfer to another division ( 126 St. Division Brooklyn Division and MaBSTOA Division.) Operators desiring to transfer to another division must fill out a letter of intent giving up your pick rights in your current division. After the last Operator of the December 15, 2002 class finishes picking in the OA and TA, The pick will be put on hold to allow the Operators who filed a letter of intent to pick an available division. After this pick is finished, the regular pick will continue for whole system following one seniority list established December 16th 2002. Operators hired 12-16-02 and later, are not required to put in a letter of intent, because at this point, for pick purposes the Authority will be working off one seniority list. Reminder, Bus Operators Transferring based on the letter of intent have one year to come back to their original divisions to obtain their original seniority. WARNING: Anyone thinking about picking into Manhattanville depot, I am known as the "BullDog". I write LOTS of violations cause I have a hot pencil. So don't think of pivking into MTV and it being a party! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 00:28:48 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 00:03:23 2007. I think I nagged you about this before, but please watch the M11 route, I've been at least trying to use that route for a couple of times this summer, I don't think that a route that busy during the rush sohuld have 40+ headways.-O.J. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 07:10:53 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 00:28:48 2007. The problem with the M11 route are several. One being the high amount of wheelchair customers the line gets. The general consensus is the amount of hospitals the route passes, and since the disabled have priority over everyone else it does take time to unload and load them, tie them down properly, etc. This causes delays and then buses run late.Another bigger problem, especially in the summers is the Lincoln Tunnel traffic. It will delay service in both directions at peak times and Sunday evenings. I sometimes get calls from customers in the office telling me they are waiting for huge amounts of time. Since I'm not the "road" supervisor I really can't do much but call out on the radio and try to figure whats happening. I have brought it to the attention of the route manager but many times route managers are just that and really don't have any creative ideas whatsoever. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Aug 17 09:00:02 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 07:10:53 2007. I noticed that Lincoln Tunnel thing with the M11 too. Would they do better to short turn some of the buses? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 10:37:31 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by WayneJay on Fri Aug 17 09:00:02 2007. I think you chose the wrong business Wayne. You probably would have been a great asset at buses.When I worked the road I did anything I could to get service. I always have said that customers don't care if a bus is an hour early or an hour late, they just want a bus to arrive on it scehduled headway. Its the way I ran my lines when I was a road dispatcher. Unfortunately many on the road are just there to buy their time to pick inside or as managers as a short stop on the ladder to the "upstairs office's". Like when I worked 146 St and Lenox Av. I always ran an M7 shuttle between my location and Columbus Circle on bad days. This bus would pick up the slack for the other runs who were late. I would send an M7 dark down Columbus/9Av to 14 St and 6 Av so the dispatcher would have a bus ready in case he had a large headway. Its all a matter of doing something, and not just standing there writing numbers in a tally book like a glorified checker. If it weren't for my health getting bad I would still be out on the corners. |
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Posted by transitbuff on Fri Aug 17 11:21:20 2007, in response to TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by FutureKBArticOP on Thu Aug 16 21:50:30 2007. Whre would they be holding this MEGAPICK? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 11:26:27 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by transitbuff on Fri Aug 17 11:21:20 2007. Probably like now, in each depot. Since the entire DOB is now connected with the UTS program, and all its data goes to one central location now, its feasible. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 14:50:09 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by WayneJay on Fri Aug 17 09:00:02 2007. -O.J. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 14:50:19 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by WayneJay on Fri Aug 17 09:00:02 2007. The short turn runs are part of the problem, usually when the M11 shows up after the long wait, it's either a short turn to 110th Street or 135th Street, I don't really mind because I don't go that far, but I see other passengers pissed when they see these runs.-O.J. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 14:50:41 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 14:50:09 2007. Sorry, made a mistake.-O.J. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 14:58:31 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 07:10:53 2007. Thanks for the insight, I think the MTA needs to look into the operation of that route. I don't see why the MTA knows the problem with that route is the Lincoln Tunnel which is right near another bus depot (Michael J. Quill), yet they don't take advantage of it (have some Michael J. Quill drivers do some runs on the M11 to help out Manhattanville).-O.J. |
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Posted by 9 local on Fri Aug 17 15:33:14 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 07:10:53 2007. I've seen a ton of southbound M11s reading "Riverbank State Park" and a ton of northbound M11s reading "Abingdon Square" on the destination signs: always an O7. I don't see that on any other route as often as I do on that one.Also, about two weeks ago, I was on 6643 on the M5. We got to 72nd Street and he announced he was going express to 135th Street and that we should all get on the other bus that was at the bus stop. He changed his signs to read "Not in Service" and flew up Riverside Drive, probably confusing quite a few customers on Riverside, as there were passengers on the bus. Is that allowed, and if so, is it normal practice. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 15:54:06 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 14:58:31 2007. NYCT is unlike any other government bureaucracy. The simple is not the way to go.For instance in the eary mornings and late nights you have M11's that deadhead to Abingdon Square to start and ay night have M11's that deadhead back to the MTV. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 15:56:53 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by 9 local on Fri Aug 17 15:33:14 2007. Probably, there is a dispatcher at 72St, and he probably instructed him to run "dark" or drop off only to 135 St. The dispatcher probably new that there was another M5 coming right behind the one you were on.Sometimes operators do these things on their own and when caught will get written up. |
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Posted by 9 local on Fri Aug 17 16:03:23 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 15:56:53 2007. The other bus was sitting in front of us at 72nd & Broadway. And I assume he ran dark, b/c he said that he would not be stopping at all until 135th Street and that anyone along Riverside should get on the other bus. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Fri Aug 17 16:06:24 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by 9 local on Fri Aug 17 16:03:23 2007. this is prolly a little bit off topic ... but how are those new Siemens radios holding up at NYCT ? |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Aug 17 16:38:30 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 10:37:31 2007. I think you chose the wrong business Wayne. You probably would have been a great asset at buses.When I worked the road I did anything I could to get service. I always have said that customers don't care if a bus is an hour early or an hour late, they just want a bus to arrive on it scehduled headway. Its the way I ran my lines when I was a road dispatcher. Unfortunately many on the road are just there to buy their time to pick inside or as managers as a short stop on the ladder to the "upstairs office's". Like when I worked 146 St and Lenox Av. I always ran an M7 shuttle between my location and Columbus Circle on bad days. This bus would pick up the slack for the other runs who were late. I would send an M7 dark down Columbus/9Av to 14 St and 6 Av so the dispatcher would have a bus ready in case he had a large headway. Its all a matter of doing something, and not just standing there writing numbers in a tally book like a glorified checker. If it weren't for my health getting bad I would still be out on the corners. Thanks a bunch. The interesting part is that growing up I always wanted to eventually be a NYCTA Motorman (as they were called at the time) and my intention was to be either a OA bus operator in the Bronx or TA B/O in Queens division. I even got on the list, but after completing my physical down at Jay Street I had already done 2 years in college and decided to stay. Then I pursued an IT career, which the field I'm still working in. I think the IT field was a good move for me, but part of me still wonders "what if" had I gone on to work for NYCTA. One thing I proud of is that I was never one to just go through the motions and collect a paycheck. I tend to have a genuine interest in making things under my control flow smoothly. I'm sure there some hard-working people at NYCTA who are interested in providing quality service. I just find it disappointing that there's so many who don't care, have a poor work ethic, but are quick to complain that their salary is not high enough, don't want to go the extra mile, etc. I think things like your routine with the M7 and the my question about the M11 are common sense. It may not necessarily make the intervals perectly spaced, but I figure having most of the route have service intervals somewhat close to what they're supposed to be is much better than 45 min (or more) gaps in service because a bunch of buses are trapped on 9th Ave behind a ton of tunnel traffic. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 16:57:45 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 15:54:06 2007. Wasn't the M11 a Hudson Pier route? I wonder how they went from a depot close to the 14th Street area to one in Harlem for the route. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 16:59:39 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by WayneJay on Fri Aug 17 16:38:30 2007. Thats the whole point. Riders waiting assessment is the most important thing. A customer just wants a bus to get from point from point A to B.Lots of us buffs make great employee's because we took "notes" as kids riding and watching the pro's do it. So when we eventually got the job we make it look easy. Some buffs however don't do good as well. They don't seem to wake up a realize that its a serious job with serious responsibilities and quickly get fired or into some dumb shyt. I too wanted to work in the subways but as I got older I decided to go with buses since I started having fears of enclosed, crowded places and fires and such. I don't like the way things are done at NYCT but I love the actual operations and being able to help fellow buffs who need or want information on the job. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 17:01:52 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 16:57:45 2007. I believe at one point in the nineties the M11 was split between the two depots. But when the M101,M103 came to MTV when the old 100 St closed the entire route went back to Hudson. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Aug 17 18:45:50 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 16:59:39 2007. Agreed. Some buffs don't quite have a realistic picture of what it takes to run a transit system. An example is that many of us are big Flxible Metro fans. I know of at least one person who have WMATA keep there's on the streets as much as possible. Basically, he's ignoring the fact that as buses age they become increasingly unreliable. So basically if he was in a position to hand out buses, he'd probably have all of his bus buff favorites out and about and the newer stuff in the house. Also since I have a few transit professional friends at Montgomery County, Ride-On, DASH (Alexandria, VA), PRTC (Prince William County, VA) and Baltimore MTA I'm able to learn a lot from them.I understand the enjoyment you have with helping those in need and sharing info. with buff and I appreciate it. I also imagine that major big city outfits like NYCTA, WMATA, CTA, MBTA and so on must have loads of politics, which IMO is never a good thing. This stuff can easily make an eager employee with good ideas sort of keep to him/herself and just do their time. One good thing about us transit buffs is that when things go wrong, we tend to understand that it's not the B/O or T/O's fault. I'm often not in agreeemnt with TD, but I think at one point some years ago it was he who used to say something like "Just because you had a train-set at 7 yrs old doesn't mean you're qualified to operate a railroad". This is so true. TD, if this wasn't you or I misquoted, you have my apology. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 22:20:31 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Aug 17 17:01:52 2007. Alright thanks for the info, the M11 seemed more reliable in the Hudson Pier days.I also remember when the M101 and M103 were Manhattanville routes. I never got why the M103 was, I would expect it would be 126th Street since that's a block away from its Spanish Harlem terminal. I also never got the reason why the M102 used to be Michael J. Quill route instead of a Mother Clara Hale. -O.J. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Aug 17 23:43:10 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 17 22:20:31 2007. I think that basically when some of the old depots in Manhattan (FFS, OHS, OTS and HUD) started closing there were always times where all routes could be assigned to the logical depot (based on location). For instance, as you said... logically one would think the M103 would be assigned to 126 St, but they probably could not handle the number of buses required for M103 service. While the newer depots can store nearly all of their buses indoors, the older depots (especially 126th St) have lots of buses parked outside (many being on public streets) overnight. Looking in from the outside I think each borough can benefit greatly if they had one more depot. The extra depots could allow for all buses to be stored indoors which would mean they wouldn't have to have the buses parked outside idling overnight on frigid nights. Brooklyn division has been short one for years (since XT closed) so Maspeth will probably help that situation and the same with Staten Island. EW closed back in the 80s also and this is why both CAS and YUK have nearly 400 buses each. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Aug 18 00:10:07 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by WayneJay on Fri Aug 17 18:45:50 2007. The biggest thing about running a transportation operation is called PEOPLE. The buffs will never understand anything about dealing with employees and vendors until they do it. The learning curve there is monsterous. The equipment pretty much acts in a "predictable" manner. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Aug 18 00:11:16 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by WayneJay on Fri Aug 17 23:43:10 2007. And as I'm sure you know Wayne, nobody wants depots in thier neighborhoods, but they sure want the service.It was always an old joke that if Mother Hale wasn't there, no buses would make it up there. The only reason they did make it up there was because the operators had to bring the bus back to go home! I guess Maspeth is a very commercial area because I never really heard of any community uproar, not like 100 Street. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Aug 18 00:49:24 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by JAzumah on Sat Aug 18 00:10:07 2007. I wouldn't say that the buffs will never understand. Some will understand and others will not. Again, I have 3 transit professional friends who are indeed rail/bus buffs and these guys are doing well in the scheduling and planning depts of their respective employers. One started in an entry level job and took on more responsibility over time, one started as a bus operator and was promoted and the other landed on his feet the industry after college. Another holds an entry level position while in college, has a tremendous understanding of various aspects of the operation and will almost certainly rise in the company. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Aug 18 00:58:04 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by WayneJay on Fri Aug 17 23:43:10 2007. 126th Street has a lot of routes that don't make sense logically, like the M31, M57, M66, and M72, all of them which I think should too be at Michael J. Quill except the M31 which should be at 100th Street. I could make this a long post on some of the ideas I have to change this, but I don't want to bore you any more.Also, why do you think all borughs need more depots? -O.J. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Aug 18 01:01:32 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Aug 18 00:11:16 2007. Agreed. That whole NIMBY attitude is a pet peeve for me. Folks can often be very selfish. They complain endlessly, but don't want to give anything. A transit planner friend told me many stories about when they wanted to add new service in some residential areas of Montgomery County, MD. Many people would speak out against the service through residential areas because they don't want to see a bus on their street. He was saying at a recent meeting a lady complained that she was unable to enjoy having a quiet dinner outside on her deck because of the bus that passed her house. Of course many of these people have cars and don't need or use mass transit. Clearly they don't give a crap about those whose only means of transportation is mass transit. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Aug 18 01:13:39 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Aug 18 00:58:04 2007. Agreed the M66, M57 and M72 probably belong in MJQ as they'd have less deadhead miles, but this won't always happen. I also agree that many routes do not operate from the nearest depot, but I think it's not nearly as simple as we think. I know that for one thing the depot must be able to physcially accomodate those buses. I imagine that DOB basically tries to distribute the buses/routes evenly based on the size and/or area of fhe depot.I think each borough could benefit from another depot because it would ease overcrowding. For many years (and currently) some depots must store numerous buses on city streets overnight. ENY and 126th immediately come to mind. If all buses are in the house or at least on NYCTA property they can be better safeguarded. Also if more buses are indoors they don't have to leave their engines idling overnight on nights when the temps are well below freezing. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Aug 18 04:20:14 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by WayneJay on Sat Aug 18 01:13:39 2007. I agree that the DOB tries to distribute its routes evenly, but it is possible to do so with having less deadhead miles for routes like the B51 which I think should be a Jackie Gleason route like it used to. (Jackie Gleason could easily do a swap with West Farms for diesel buses), especially since surprisingly, B51 runs seem to come straight from the depot using Atlantic Avenue and not "integrated" with the B45 as I would expect or for that matter the B25.East New York doesn't have space? Doesn't it have two storage lots in addition to the depot storing buses? It's times like these when I wish NYCT and MTA Bus were the same union wise, then NYCT routes can go to MTA Bus and vice-versa with less complaints. -O.J. |
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Posted by mambomta on Sat Aug 18 10:11:58 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Aug 18 04:20:14 2007. East New York doesn't have space? Doesn't it have two storage lots in addition to the depot storing buses?East New York is so crowded that they store the buses in 2 lots, the depot, and in the street(you can see the buses sitting in the 2 center lanes on Jamaica Ave in front of the depot(you can see it from the J train as it passes by. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Aug 18 12:27:31 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by mambomta on Sat Aug 18 10:11:58 2007. This is when Spring Creek and Maspeth can come to the rescue.-O.J. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Aug 18 15:18:15 2007, in response to Re: TA Brooklyn and OA operators being able to pick into each others depots..., posted by mambomta on Sat Aug 18 10:11:58 2007. Yup - And it's pretty much the same over at 126. |
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