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I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 10:25:17 2021 Here |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 24 12:49:48 2021, in response to I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 10:25:17 2021. Good to differentiate between passenger's trip time and the bus's. MTA is hoping everyone is too stupid to decipher, as they attempt to blow up the Jackson Hts bus transfer facility to scatter all over. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 14:20:39 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 24 12:49:48 2021. If the bus travels three minutes faster, but you lose five minutes because your stop is removed, your trip takes two minutes longer. If you miss a bus walking to your new stop because your old one was eliminated, you can lose an extra five or ten minutes.Please sign the petition if you haven’t already. Thanks. |
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Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 14:23:38 2021, in response to I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 10:25:17 2021. Here is the link to the petition. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Aug 24 15:07:47 2021, in response to I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 10:25:17 2021. Cool beans.I’ll sign the petition |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 15:23:10 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Aug 24 15:07:47 2021. Thanks. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 24 18:17:22 2021, in response to I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 10:25:17 2021. Not only should bus stops not be eliminated but bus routes that are true feeders to subway lines like the B 41, B44, and B46 to name a few, should run 24/7 and overnight on the same headways as the subway lines they intersect with. |
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Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 24 18:31:28 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 24 18:17:22 2021. These so-called Planners need to be sent to Toronto for about a month to see how train/bus coordination works. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Aug 24 18:45:28 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 24 18:17:22 2021. THIS! I have no idea why one of the busiest bus routes in North America runs every 60 minutes overnight, I understand that the dollar vans pick up the slack but they don’t go all the way to DeKalb/WBP and can only do so much. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 20:01:11 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 24 18:17:22 2021. That's pretty much what I proposed in my proposed night network for Brooklyn in this report. Either every 20 minutes or every 40 minutes, but not every hour.Here |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 24 22:59:19 2021, in response to I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 10:25:17 2021. Pretty much.Saw your appearance..and listen to what you had to say.. |
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Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Aug 25 04:26:36 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 20:01:11 2021. From the MTA New York City Transit Service Guidelines Manual:"If service is provided, it should operate at least every 60 minutes. " But this is, of course, a policy headway. Though NYCT does ride checks during the 1AM-5AM time period, there is officially no loading guidelines during this time period. Personally, I think that NYCT analyzes service during these times if and only if there is a possibility of a significant service cut, e.g. overnight bus feeder service to/from St. George. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Aug 25 08:08:38 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by dkupf on Wed Aug 25 04:26:36 2021. Their policy means nothing. They change it whenever they feel like it, like when they changed capacity non rush hour seating guidelines from 100 percent to 125 percent. And even with 60 minute service guidelines, some routes operate every 75 minutes overnight. Guidelines call for a quarter mile walk to a local bus route and now they want to space bus stops a quarter, a half, three quarters, and even a mile apart with no local service, |
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Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Aug 25 09:49:33 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Aug 25 08:08:38 2021. I agree. But this is what the service planners and schedulers use in order to justify their actions.Now is the time for NYCT to update the MTA New York City Transit Service Guidelines Manual from the perspective of the customer, not themselves. This manual must change in order for bus and subway service to proactively compete with the ridesharing companies and the automobile. I have ideas as to how this could be done, e.g. the Bus Stop Spacing guideline, Service Coverage guideline, and the Load guidelines for Feeder Routes should be eliminated. Also, there should be no standees, ideally, during Off-Peak, Evening, and Owl periods. |
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Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 25 17:28:10 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Aug 25 08:08:38 2021. Perfect justification for placing the MTA and its subsidiary agencies back under the oversight of the State Public Service Commission rather than being completely autonomous as the NYCTA has been ever since its inception. |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Aug 25 21:24:29 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 25 17:28:10 2021. Now that Andrew Cuomo is out as NY Governor, it my be a good time to change the makeup of the MTA Board.I have long believed that the MTA Board shields the local politicians. I think that they should be, instead, at the forefront of transit policy. I think that the MTA Board should be comprised of the Mayor of NYC, the five Borough Presidents, the six County Executives, and the Chair. The Chair would be the only holdover from the current MTA Board. That person would still be appointed by the Governor. The only time the Chair would vote would be to break a tie. What do you think? Have I been misguided? I want to know. |
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But on long routes.... |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Aug 25 21:29:04 2021, in response to I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 10:25:17 2021. Anyone who's ridden the Q5 from Rosedale to Jamaica, or the Q66 from Woodside to Flushing, realizes how maddening it is to stop every two blocks on Merrick Blvd or Northern Blvd. The cross-streets are close together, and spacing the bus stops further apart would be beneficial for those riding a long distance. Even the Q5LTD is not limited south of Springfield Blvd, and there is no Q66LTD at all. These Queens bus stops are about 500' apart. A cross-town bus in Manhattan that stops at 5 Av and then at 6 Av is stopping 1000' apart. Perhaps the standard in areas with close streets should be 750', or about three short blocks. |
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Re: But on long routes.... |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Aug 25 21:42:16 2021, in response to But on long routes...., posted by gbs on Wed Aug 25 21:29:04 2021. In my opinion, that is too far. But two blocks, or 500 feet, is too close.Stops should be adjusted on a case-by-case basis. No formulas. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Aug 25 22:23:51 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by dkupf on Wed Aug 25 21:42:16 2021. No way is 750 feet too far. That's less than 3 typical city blocks. (5280/20 = 264 ... multiply by 3 and get 792)That's like a Manhattan bus stopping at 23rd Street farside, 26th Street nearside, 28th Street farside, 31st Street nearside, etc) |
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Re: But on long routes.... |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Aug 25 22:31:50 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Aug 25 22:23:51 2021. That's what I mean. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Aug 25 22:33:51 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Aug 25 22:23:51 2021. 750 is what it should be unless there is a hospital, school, subway station, etc, that would require two stops to be a little closer so the stop is adjacent to the traffic generator. It makes no sense for the bus stop to be 100 feet from the traffic generator.That means that 500 feet might be necessary in some cases. The alternative would be to have two stops 1,000 feet or 1500 feet apart which would be too far unless there is a park or cemetery there and no residences. |
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Re: But on long routes.... |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Aug 26 02:34:15 2021, in response to But on long routes...., posted by gbs on Wed Aug 25 21:29:04 2021. Good post. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Aug 26 04:48:04 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Aug 25 22:23:51 2021. No way is 750 feet too far. That's less than 3 typical city blocks. (5280/20 = 264 ... multiply by 3 and get 792)That's like a Manhattan bus stopping at 23rd Street farside, 26th Street nearside, 28th Street farside, 31st Street nearside, etc.) I like your explanation!! :) |
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Re: But on long routes.... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 26 08:12:08 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Aug 26 04:48:04 2021. And very rarely are stops closer than that. |
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Posted by dkupf on Thu Aug 26 08:59:44 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Aug 26 04:48:04 2021. That's correct, where feasible. |
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Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 27 15:56:42 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Aug 24 18:45:28 2021. The B46 and it's SBS shadow operate HORRIBLY.I once had to wait for a 46 Local for 45 plus minutes..while Bus time continued to tell me the bus was 5 minutes away... with it barely moving. I finally gave up Caught the SBS, and took the train from Fulton and Utica. We need the subway/light rail on Utica badly. |
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Re: But on long routes.... |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Aug 27 19:07:25 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Aug 25 22:33:51 2021. 750 should be the minimum. If the stops have to be 1000 or 1200 feet apart, that's fine. Staten Island express bus stops are about 2000 feet apart on average, and not all of them have corresponding local routes (express - local transfers are generally uncommon, but especially within the same corridor, so most manage to make their way to the stop on foot) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Aug 27 19:10:14 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 26 08:12:08 2021. There's two Bx33 stops on 135th between St. Nicholas & Frederick Douglas. There's two M4 stops on Broadway between 132nd & 133rd Street (I think those are the streets...you can see them from the 1 train). There's two M116 stops around the corner from each other at 116th & Pleasant. I'm sure there's other examples that are similarly close. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Aug 28 03:36:29 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 27 15:56:42 2021. SBS on the B46 has been a huge failure, and totally killed ridership on the route past Woodhull Hospital since the SBS stupidly doesn’t go past DeKalb, and local service has deteriorated significantly in the past few years. The days of B46s leaving Williamsburg Bridge Plaza with a fully seated load are long gone thanks to the MTA’s incompetence.If only the IND Second System was built as planned, we’d have a 2nd Avenue subway down Utica Avenue to Floyd Bennett Field/Sheepshead Bay instead of some mediocre sBS. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Aug 28 03:55:28 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 20:01:11 2021. Do you have this in a Google My Map? The satellite background kind of makes the maps hard to look at. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Aug 28 08:37:54 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Aug 28 03:55:28 2021. I know. It was the best I could do.I tried a Google but wasn't successful. There seemed to be a 15 route limit and I needed to show more than 15 routes at a time. If you can figure out how to do it, please let me know. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Aug 28 08:39:18 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 25 17:28:10 2021. I thought any changes to their guidelines should have to be approved by the state legislature. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Aug 28 08:41:46 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by dkupf on Wed Aug 25 21:24:29 2021. I agree. Many of the Board members in the past knew nothing about transportation and were appointed for political reasons only. At least in your proposal, the members represent constituents. |
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Posted by B1bus on Sun Aug 29 05:37:25 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Aug 27 19:10:14 2021. B8 n/b 86, 85, 84stsB3 eastbound, 86, 84,25ave stillwell 85st. B6 s/b 60, 61sts |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Aug 29 07:35:37 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Aug 27 19:10:14 2021. But the number you are talking about are very few. Even if there are 100 of such stops among 10,000 stops, that is a very small percentage. Some of those can certainly be removed without impact. In fact when I became Director of Bus Planning, one of the first things I did was to remove a bus stop that was about 200 feet from another one. I knew that it existed purely by historical accident and wasn't necessary.Those stops are no reason to remove half the bus stops in a borough. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 29 21:31:44 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Aug 28 03:36:29 2021. Yeah..North Brooklyn needs a new line that connects to Southeast Brooklyn. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Aug 29 22:36:47 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Aug 29 07:35:37 2021. Depends. At the end it comes down to whether you think stops every 2-3 blocks are necessary, or if every 5 blocks is more appropriate. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 30 02:21:21 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Aug 28 03:36:29 2021. The way I have heard it is that the IND was supposed to swing west across Ave S and over Marine Pk and join a structure than came from the extension of the IRT Nostrand Ave Line. The 4 tk structure with 2tks serving the IRT and 2 tks serving the IND would then proceed down Nostrand to Emmons Ave. The platforms would be arranged similarly to Qnsbro Plz to allow forthenoperation of trains of 2 different sizes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 30 07:36:46 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 29 21:31:44 2021. Especially since there are no highways or boulevards in that section of Brooklyn and all we have are slow local streets. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 30 07:39:08 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Aug 27 19:07:25 2021. That may be fine for Staten Island. But you can't compare SI to the other boroughs because density is so much higher there. One thousand feet generally is too great a distance unless the area is sparsely populated. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 30 07:42:20 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Aug 29 22:36:47 2021. Two blocks is too close, but every five hundred is too far. What would you do with Avenue blocks? Have buses stop every other Avenue block? Stop every 1500 feet? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Aug 30 12:51:27 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 30 02:21:21 2021. That was the original 1929 plan, by 1939 they changed it so that it traveled down Flatbush Avenue to Floyd Bennett Field for some reason. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 30 13:21:32 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Aug 30 12:51:27 2021. At the time FBF was the city’s main airport so it made sense. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 31 00:32:18 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 30 13:21:32 2021. I was thinking the same thing. At the time of the original plan, air travel had not come into its own but a few years later it made sense. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Aug 31 04:01:08 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 30 07:36:46 2021. The B18 had the right idea, but the wrong execution, who in Ridgewood wants to just go to Jamaica Avenue and Crescent Street where there is literally nothing of interest?The B84 should be extended to Wyckoff Heights Hospital at the very least. It would serve the Shepherd Avenue and Norwood Avenue stations along the way, cross the cemeteries using Vermont Place and Highland Boulevard, then run up Cooper Avenue and Wyckoff Avenue to the hospital. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 31 08:14:37 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Aug 31 04:01:08 2021. The B18 was probably meant as a connector to the B13 and B56. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Tue Aug 31 11:13:00 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Aug 31 04:01:08 2021. Hey, Salem Field Cemetery is at Jamaica near Crescent and that's where my mother is buried. Don't tell me there's nothing of interest there. :-)Anyhow, you've drawn attention to a notable gap in N/S service in that region, but given the narrow and one-way streets it would have to navigate to serve Shepherd and Norwood stations, do you have a proposed routing there? It would look kind of like the Q47 in Jackson Heights, I guess. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 31 14:19:06 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Snilcher on Tue Aug 31 11:13:00 2021. CB5 has been asking for new north south service between Penn and Crescent for 50 years. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Aug 31 14:43:37 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 30 07:39:08 2021. I'm not talking about areas in the middle of the Greenbelt. I'm talking about regular residential/commercial corridors (Hylan Blvd, Richmond Avenue, Forest Avenue, etc) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 31 17:46:35 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Aug 31 14:43:37 2021. You also have to consider demographics and topography of an area. I was on the Coney Island Avenue bus today (which was the most crowded I have seen since after Covid) and I was amazed for a relatively short trip to see how many people had difficulty walking, like at least a half dozen. That probably explains why many if them chose to bus anyway instead of the Brighton Line.Having the bus stop every 1500 feet as opposed to every 750 feet which is what the MTA is proposing in Queens would pose a real problem for them. Are they all supposed to now use access a ride which would cause the MTA to spend much more money than they would save? In Astoria they proposed to eliminate stops on Steinway and my friend says she will now have to walk up the hill with her shopping cart in addition to her regular walk if they do that. You are still young. Wait until you get a little older and your views will change. |
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