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Posted by Dan on Thu Nov 19 12:28:34 2020, in response to Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by Chicago44 on Thu Nov 19 11:46:38 2020. I'm guessing that the remaining bus redesign studies are on hold until God know when. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 19 14:27:26 2020, in response to Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by Chicago44 on Thu Nov 19 11:46:38 2020. For all we know, MTA will lay off the Planners that do these studies. |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Thu Nov 19 18:49:13 2020, in response to Re: Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 19 14:27:26 2020. why would they lay off the planners that do these studies if the bus redesigns start up again. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 19 18:51:34 2020, in response to Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by Chicago44 on Thu Nov 19 11:46:38 2020. I would think you can throw the studies in the garbage. If MTA does not get money from DC they will cut many routes, since they will have to lay off operators, maintenance people, etc. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 19 19:12:35 2020, in response to Re: Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by Chicago44 on Thu Nov 19 18:49:13 2020. If they are in desperate financial condition, nothing is off the table. The service cuts would be done and there is nothing to redesign. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Nov 19 19:15:34 2020, in response to Re: Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 19 18:51:34 2020. But wouldn’t a redesign make more efficient use of limited funds? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 19 19:26:47 2020, in response to Re: Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by N6 Limited on Thu Nov 19 19:15:34 2020. Who says redesign is "efficient" ?They are about cutting trip times and potentially damaging the market in the process, like dismantling the bus hub at Jackson Hts next to the subway and el, and carrying out grudges such as getting buses off Newport Avenue in the Rockaways, which it has had since the middle of the last century. These are the geniuses who initially proposed killing the well-utilized Q53 even though MTA-BC just previously found it worthy of converting to SBS and artics. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 19 19:54:09 2020, in response to Re: Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by N6 Limited on Thu Nov 19 19:15:34 2020. The redesigns were set up to be done with public input.When you use an axe to CUT 40% of bus service the decisions will be made solely by management because time is of the essence in getting the job done. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 20 15:44:24 2020, in response to Re: Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by Dan on Thu Nov 19 12:28:34 2020. Until the Second Avenue Subway is completed and we know when that will happen. Not in our lifetimes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 20 15:45:37 2020, in response to Re: Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 19 18:51:34 2020. Just like the $20 million spent on redesign studies in the eighties were thrown in the garbage. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 20 15:52:11 2020, in response to Re: Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 19 19:26:47 2020. The redesign studies were never meant to improve travel by reducing the numbers of transfers required because of better routing. They were solely meant to cut operating costs by increasing walk times and travel times and by cutting service.All you had to do was read the Brooklyn Existing Conditions Report to ascertain that. They show Downtown Brooklyn as the fastest growing part of the borough and what is their recommendation to respond to this growth? It is to cut bus service in Downtown Brooklyn with the justification that the buses are not needed because there are so many subways in the area. They don't even look at how crowded these trains are or ask the question if they can absorb more passengers from the buses. Fewer bus lines means more transfers greater travel times. Who wants to take a bus and then change for a subway to go one or two more stops with so few stations with escalators or elevators? So these studies were never designed with the passenger in mind. |
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Posted by Transportation Hub on Fri Nov 20 19:31:16 2020, in response to Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by Chicago44 on Thu Nov 19 11:46:38 2020. It will be a while due to the agency having low fundings and currently asking for $12B bailout from Congress, so everything's on hold. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Nov 21 17:50:38 2020, in response to Re: Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by N6 Limited on Thu Nov 19 19:15:34 2020. The problem is that we don't know exactly how much funding that is. But yes, I generally agree with the idea, and I do believe that they should try to incorporate aspects of the redesigns into the proposed cuts (e.g. A Linden Blvd route, a Springfield Blvd route, etc). Just reduce the frequency by however much is necessary, and call it a day. And like we discussed, there's a decent amount of people who are making these types of trips now, and serving them in a more direct way makes the system more efficient. Instead of having everyone pile onto a bus to Jamaica or Flushing (resulting in a requirement for increased frequency on those routes) and having to transfer there, you can use those resources to implement more of those crosstown routes like the Linden Blvd or Springfield Blvd routes.By the way, I remember somebody came up with a good definition for a crosstown route: One which travels perpendicular to the primary direction of travel. (So in Manhattan and to a certain extent in The Bronx, the subway generally runs north-south, so the crosstown buses run east-west) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 21 17:55:26 2020, in response to Re: Bus Redesigns Studies., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Nov 21 17:50:38 2020. I don't think they will spend any time on that. They will simply drop the axe, and I am sure they have a shitlist of routes ready to go, including the commuter railroads. |
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