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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 19:56:04 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 10:39:42 2020. It took until April 2019 for it to be "fixed" (i.e. Stabilized). Once it passed that point it was better than the old X system but not as good as it could/should be. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 20:49:32 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 10:16:51 2020. Now with proper math...8.5 * 1.25 = 11.625 Cross-multiplying 2.3 / 8.5 = x / 60, so x = 16.23529411764 minutes 2.3 / 11.625 = x / 60, so x = 11.87096774193 minutes Subtracting the two and you have over 4 minutes difference... |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 20:53:37 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 11:57:15 2020. You need to go to Staten Island (specifically St. George in the PM rush)...even when the local and limited are both full-length trips and are both waiting right there, the limiteds will always be more crowded than their local counterparts. So much for not caring about the faster trip... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 22:28:52 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:13:01 2020. They will eliminate bus service on Court and Smith saying it's not needed because of the F train. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 22:35:45 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by JAzumah on Wed Jan 8 13:35:13 2020. Where do I say anything about "commuter van"? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 22:40:01 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 13:55:11 2020. So it's 2.125 instead of 2. That makes the new average speed 10.625, not 10.5. How does that change things?Why isn't the average increased walk time not equal to the walk time from an eliminated stop to a continuing stop? The only time I can see where it would be shorter is if there is a diagonal street that can be used. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 22:48:05 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 13:39:34 2020. Who said there weren't? But for bus passengers it is less important than for subway passengers.You are actually going to believe the MTA report? Of course some people are asking for fewer stops. Those are the only people the MTA is going quote. They are not going to tell you who wants to maintain the existing stops because they want to eliminate stops. You have to realize that. Did they do an impartial survey asking everyone to comment if they want stops every 759 feet or every quarter or half mile or over a mile apart? No. Because a few people said they want fewer stops isn't justification for any route to have stops a mile apart with no local service. And I never said it is wrong to eliminate unnecessary stops. All I am saying is you have to do it in an intelligent manner. Setting a formula that you arbitrarily apply differently to different routes is not the way to do it. They didn't eliminate stops in the Bronx like they are doing in Queens. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 22:57:09 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:28:20 2020. One bus stopping to pick up a few passengers and another bus not stopping at that stop will delay the first bus by about a minute or less. With most buses at 10 minute headways, the effect on bunching is minimal. It would have to be repeated about ten times for it to mean anything. If the headways are every 3 minutes, you have a point, but bunching on a route with 3 minute headways is much less serious than a bus with 30 minute headways.What is a greater cause of bunching are wheelchairs. All it takes is one wheelchair to delay a bus about 4 minutes. Two for getting on and two for getting off. You surely aren't proposing getting rid of them? I do not believe the schedules even allow extra time for wheelchairs. Adding time for them so buses don't leave the terminal already bunched because of inadequate layover time would do more for bunching than eliminating lightly used stops that are usually skipped anyway. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 23:06:36 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 20:53:37 2020. I never made a blanket statement that bus riders don't care about time. Of course they do. Under the circumstances you describe why should someone take the local instead of the Limited if he is making a long trip if both buses have seats available?What I said is that time is less important for bus passengers than subway passengers assuming someone has a choice between the bus and train. A bus passenger will be more concerned with his comfort like the ability to get a seat than a subway passenger would be willing to sacrifice t0 or 15 minutes for a seat. They also will would rather spend 10 extra minutes on the bus if it saves them walking stairs which would be difficult for them either because they have difficulty walking or have a baby carriage or are carrying bulky items. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 23:09:43 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 22:40:01 2020. As was explained to you previously, you are assuming that every single passenger at that eliminated stop had an origin/destination directly at that stop. Some might, but most are coming from somewhere slightly in either direction and would walk directly to their new stop instead of first to the eliminated stop. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 23:13:12 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 22:57:09 2020. I've experienced bunching on 60 minute headways with neither bus having a wheelchair. Out here on Staten Island I hardly ever see any wheelchair passengers and yet buses still bunch (the 60 minute headways was a one-time thing, but 20-30 minute headways is still common) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 23:18:42 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 23:06:36 2020. In the grand scheme of things, how many people have the option of the subway or bus for the same trip? (Especially on routes that have limited-stop service, most of which run in areas far from the subway, or perpendicular to most subway lines). When I walk to the S89 stop (instead of the closer S44/59/94 stop) or the SIM4X/8X stop (as opposed to the SIM4/8 stop) during the height of rush hour, I have no complaints of inadequate local service and am in as much of a hurry as a subway rider. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 23:21:47 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 23:06:36 2020. And have you ever tried taking the S44 to the ferry during the AM rush hour? Whatever amount of time it takes for the S94 to come, I will wait for it if it is running (or I'll take any local that can get me to Forest & Richmond for the S98) because I am NOT sitting on a local from the other end of the island and getting passed by a limited en-route. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 23:28:24 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 20:49:32 2020. You are incorrect. 8.5 * 1.25 is 10.625 not 11.625.The way I figure it, at 8.5 mph a 2.3 mile trip takes 16.31 minutes. A 25 percent increase in speed is 10.625 mph. A 2.3 mile trip takes 12.994 minutes. I previously said it was 13.14 minutes. So it's still about a 3 minute difference. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 23:36:04 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 23:09:43 2020. First of all, I never made the assumption that every passenger's origin/ destination is at an eliminated stop. Such an assumption would be ridiculous. Of course most people don't live in front of a bus stop.For those who can't use the eliminated stop, how would they get to their new stop without first passing the eliminated stop? The only way they could do that is by walking along a parallel street instead of along the bus route in which case the extra walk would still be the same. The only case where they could directly walk to the new stop by walking a lesser distance than the extra distance to the new stop is if there happens to be a diagonal street which lets them shave off some of the extra distance. How often is that going to occur? In a small minority of cases. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 23:38:04 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 23:09:43 2020. Even if everyone had to walk the total distance, since only 50% of the riders are affected, the average walk is at most 50% of the distance between the old stop and continued stop. But everyone doesn’t have to walk that distance. Someone might have to walk as little as an extra 20 feet.But this all assumes just eliminating every other stop, which is NOT what is being done. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 23:39:37 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 23:36:04 2020. WTF? They wouldn’t pass the eliminated stop because they would walk IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!SMFH. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 23:45:01 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 23:18:42 2020. Many have the option of a bus or subway. Back in the 1980s when only the IRT had air conditioning, the trains were unbearable in the summer. On those days, I would take local buses home all the way from Downtown Brooklyn to Manhattan Beach where I would get a seat rather than standing all the way home suffocating in a subhuman subway car. It didn't care the trip took 90 minutes instead of 60 minutes because I arrived home refreshed not exhausted. Of course in the morning when I had to get to work on time I wouldn't do that, but I also got a seat in the morning on the train.And as far as your riding behavior, it will change greatly by the time you reach my age. You can't assume all passengers are going to think like you do. There are days I have no problem walking and there are days when walking one block is torture. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 23:47:39 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 23:21:47 2020. The S44 wasn't designed to take you long distances. It's for short trips. That's why you have the other routes, for those long trips to the ferry. It is no justification for eliminating bus stops. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 00:17:04 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 22:48:05 2020. That article you posted about the Bronx redesign quoted a politician who also indicated that her constituents wanted stop consolidation. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 05:30:58 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 12:14:52 2020. Your arithmetic is incorrect. The MTA report states the current average bus speed in Queens is 8.5 mph not 8 mph so all your following calculations are irrelevant. Mine are correct.No, because 2 is not 25% of 8.5. To make your calculations correct, you need to either use an increase of 2.125 mph (25% of 8.5) or use the correct percentage (2 is 23.53% of 8.5). I never stated or implied that no one lives or works adjacent to a bus stop. I was only talking about averages. But it is true that if you eliminate half the stops, the number of hose living or working near a bus stop will be cut in half, unless only lightly utilized stops are removed which certainly is not the case. If a bus stops every other Avenue instead of at every avenue, everyone is impacted equally, except those who live near the remaining bus stops who aren't affected. If half the bus stops are removed, the percentage of riders not impacted at all is very small. But you're not talking about averages; you're talking about worse-case scenarios as if they were averages. That's dishonest. Further, the accepted industry standard is a quarter mile walk to a local bus stop. Under the proposal, some will have to walk up to a mile to and/or from a bus stop. Who would be willing to do that? Virtually no one. There will be a mass exodus to Uber. Do you really think that a bus network where no passengers are more than 1/4 mile from a bus stop is feasible? If so, you're going to be very disappointed when you find out the costs and disadvantages of such a system. Those who can't afford Uber will have to look for another job. This is also bad for the economy. And I didn't even mention that in bad weather, most prefer not to walk at all, certainly not a mile. The bus system will become inaccessible to many. And you are doing this just so the average passenger can save two minutes if eliminating bus stops doesn't affect him? Absolutely ridiculous. As others have posted in this thread, removing stops also improves reliability. You seem to think that means nothing. Get on board and sign the petition. I ain't signin' shit. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 06:19:00 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 22:48:05 2020. You are actually going to believe the MTA report?The funny part of this, to me, is that you expect us to believe you instead of the MTA, as if you were the Oracle of Delphi. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 07:00:44 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 05:30:58 2020. *worst-case scenarios(I swear I know better.) |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 07:04:55 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 23:36:04 2020. Of course most people don't live in front of a bus stop.Actually, 60.5% of Queens residents live within 0.1 mile of an existing, active weekday bus stop. 91.4% live within 0.2 miles and 98.3% live within 0.3 miles of one |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 07:46:18 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 07:04:55 2020. All of those distances are farther than living "in front of a bus stop." A tenth of a mile is 528 feet. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jan 9 07:58:53 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:08:31 2020. To be fair, there is practically nothing along Lakeville Road between Union and Hillside. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jan 9 08:04:44 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jan 9 07:58:53 2020. What I meant to add was that the n26 currently does not make any stops on that stretch anyway as I recall. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:34:15 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 05:30:58 2020. Does putting all the bus stops on the far side of intersections make a difference in running time ?Green lights can turn red during a near side stop, and then the dwell time increases to the cycle time of the light. Maybe they should focus on that, and space them every 3 blocks (assuming 20 blocks equals a mile) as a good balance. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:36:58 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 11:57:15 2020. They also avoid trains also because they can't handle the stairs to either els or subways. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:39:29 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by JAzumah on Wed Jan 8 13:31:40 2020. It costs a heck of a lot more money to ride the LIRR on Zone 1. They would pay more than an express bus. "City Ticket" is only weekends. "Atlantic Ticket" doesn't cover the Main Line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:46:41 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:08:31 2020. NICE would kill the n26 (or anything they could) in a heartbeat. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:51:11 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 10:34:02 2020. Property values go up near the bus stop, all else being equal ? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 09:27:18 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 23:39:37 2020. They would walk in the direction that is shortest to get to the bus stop which usually would mean passing the eliminated stop. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 09:33:00 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 07:46:18 2020. All of those distances are farther than living "in front of a bus stop."Please quantify "in front of a bus stop." |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 09:36:35 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:34:15 2020. Does putting all the bus stops on the far side of intersections make a difference in running time ?The rationale for far side bus stop placement is safety. This way an exiting passenger crossing the street won't be in front of the bus. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 09:37:42 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 06:19:00 2020. Most people believe me over the MTA. Who is dumb enough to believe an agency that consistently lies to them besides you?The MTA promised 30 percent quicker commutes with Woodhaven SBS. Their own progress report stated that you had to travel for over three miles just to save three minutes. But they still claimed that means success. It was so successful that now they are eliminating the part of the SBS with the heaviest ridership. Only you are too dumb to realize the MTA proposal is designed solely to cut costs, not to help anyone. If they wanted to help riders, they would establish criteria now to measure if their proposals were successful such as will most riders be able to get to their destinations quicker after the changes. Yet their 400 plus page report never mentions travel time once! They only claim they will have buses go 25 percent faster. What is so difficult about operating buses 25 percent faster when you eliminate over half the bus stoops? That happens automatically and has nothing to do with success. Ridership will plummet after these changes and the MTA will still declare success and you will still be dumb enough to believe them. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 09:40:42 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 09:33:00 2020. "In front of a bus stop," to me, means living/working at the bus stop, in the building that is nearest the stop. E.g., if the bus stop is at 2052 Broadway in Manhattan, "in front of the bus stop" refers to that address.This is not "quantification," which is not really relevant here, but there you go. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 09:41:41 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 09:37:42 2020. Most people believe me over the MTA.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You're deluded. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 09:48:44 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 09:40:42 2020. If you want to quantify this, then you could say that the bus stop location is the same distance from the door to the building as the closest distance between that door and the curb. It's obvious that we were referring to a negligible distance in our discussion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 09:50:49 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 09:36:35 2020. It's also more convenient for turning traffic. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 10:07:43 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 09:41:41 2020. Everything I said was true.Also, two years ago, the MTA promised Community Board 14 in the Rockaways if they let them cut service in half and take away most of the bus stops on the Q22 west of Beach 116 Street, they will increase service in the remaining portion of the route. Now, they never increased service on the remaining part of the route, and cutting service in half west of Beach 116 Street worked out so well that now they want to eliminate that portion of the route entirely. On the part of the route where they promised to INCREASE service they now want to CUT SERVICE IN HALF! This is the agency you have absolute faith in and call me deluded when I have never lied to you. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 10:08:23 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:36:58 2020. Obviously. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 10:11:13 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:24:27 2020. That assumes that all routes can get you where you are going. They go to different destinations, so what do you do if the Liberty or Atlantic Avenue routes don't take you where you want to go? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 10:17:08 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 23:13:12 2020. I didn't say buses have to run frequently in order to bunch.Since they got Bus Trek, there is no reason for routes with 20 or 30 minute headways to bunch. Sixty is absolutely ridiculous. It shows no one is watching the system. My theory is that Road Operations is so severely understaffed, they can't possibly watch every route in the city, although I believe they are trying their best. How many people do they have? Twenty or so to watch 4,000 buses? Dispatchers are not properly trained or don't want to get their bus driver friends in trouble so they do very little. The part about not wanting to get their bus driver friends in trouble was told to me by a bus dispatcher who worked for me forty years ago. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 10:23:22 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 07:04:55 2020. Now you are also assuming that all bus stops are equal. They are not.If you are traveling north south and the bus stop nearest you is for a route going east west, that bus stop is useless to you, increasing the distances you provided. Also, what will be the closest distance to a bus stop after 50 or 70 percent of those stops are removed? Keep in mind that the accepted industry standard and also the MTA's planning guideline which they are flagrantly ignoring is that you should walk no greater than one-quarter to a local bus stop except for sparsely populated areas like parts of outer Staten Island. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Jan 9 10:29:06 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 22:35:45 2020. People are not going to go straight from buses to Uber if commuter vans are available. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 10:30:18 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 23:38:04 2020. How is it 50 percent of the distance between the old stop and the continued stop? Why isn't it the entire distance between the old stop and the continued stop?And where does this "20 feet" apply? Yes, they are not just eliminating every other stop. On a handful of routes, the stops stay the same. For about half the routes, they are eliminating every other stop. And for some routes they are increasing the distances eight or nine fold with the extreme being from every 750 feet to every 6,000 feet. After they put back the stops where there is the most complaining, half the stops will be gone. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 9 10:33:52 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 9 05:30:58 2020. Just because BrooklynBus's logic and mathematics are bad doesn't mean he doesn't have a point.Removing bus stops always inconveniences some people, and it may inconvenience some partially disabled people disastrously. Optimizing the bus stops for the greatest public good is an extremely difficult problem. Even deciding the objective to be met is very difficult. |
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Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 10:36:51 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 10:17:08 2020. My theory is that Road Operations is so severely understaffed...Dispatchers are not properly trained...No, it's overstaffed. The dispatcher job can be automated. The system knows the schedule and where each bus should be. It can automatically send a message to the bus driver to take corrective action. |
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Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 10:39:44 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 09:36:35 2020. It's cause of turning traffic as Spider Pig stated. It has nothing to do with exiting passengers. If a passenger crosses in front of the bus, the driver has a red light anyway.I liked it better when some stops were nearside and others were farside depending on the predominant transfer movement t for passengers. That ensured the fewest number of passengers had to cross the street to mak a connection and also reduced the number of missed buses crossing the street reducing passenger travel time. I bet that was never considered when it was decided to make most bus stops farside. Only the number of vehicle accidents were considered. But the former system most likely had fewer pedestrian accidents with fewer passenger carelessly running across a street to make a connection. All this needs to get reconsidered with the current emphasis on pedestrian accidents which weren't in the public spotlight when the policy to convert to far side bus stops was made. |
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