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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Sep 7 22:21:43 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Sep 5 22:13:03 2019. Why is the cost per unlinked trip that high? It has to do with the scheduling patterns. The express bus system has a large amount of deadheading because the off-peak traffic is suppressed by high fares. The economic viability of these routes would be improved if each peak hour bus does at least three live trips with an 80% or better load factor.At the end of the day, it cost about $200/hour to operate an MTA bus, whether in express or local service. The productivity can be improved with bus priority at choke points and lower fares. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 8 09:10:07 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by JAzumah on Sat Sep 7 22:21:43 2019. Also, any express bus route that carries about three or fewer passengers for at least a mile near the end of the route during off peak hours could be shortened giving those passenger free transfers to local routes provided those routes operate at decent frequencies. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Sep 8 16:51:31 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by JAzumah on Sat Sep 7 22:21:43 2019. The express bus system has a large amount of deadheading because the off-peak traffic is suppressed by high fares.Here's one average weekday statistic. Actual Vehicle/Passenger Car Revenue Hours: 2,009. Actual Vehicle/Passenger Car Deadhead Hours: 1,524. At the end of the day, it cost about $200/hour to operate an MTA bus, whether in express or local service. Whether or not it's carrying passengers. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Sep 8 16:54:16 2019, in response to Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by BusRider on Sat Aug 31 08:10:31 2019. "Bus speeds fell significantly across New York over the past five years. Figure 18 Why is it that Vision Zero is never mentioned as a factor in the slowdown of bus speeds? Vision Zero started in 2014, it is not a coincidence. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 8 18:15:29 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Sep 8 16:54:16 2019. I remember in the 1960's, the then-B56 along Jamaica Ave would lumber along at 20 MPH and seldom hit 2nd gear. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Sep 8 20:10:49 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 8 18:15:29 2019. Traffic tends to move slow under El's, is that the section you're talking about? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Sep 9 00:37:00 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 8 09:10:07 2019. Can you give an example of what you are describing? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 9 06:52:24 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Sep 8 20:10:49 2019. Yes. Jamaica - Woodhaven. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 9 07:27:06 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Sep 8 16:54:16 2019. Since Vision Zero average car speeds are not much faster than average bus speeds at around 9 mph. Buses have to make stops so of course they are a little slower. The on,y reason the MTA wants to eliminate bus stops is to save money. It has nothing to do with helping bus passengers. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Sep 9 17:13:22 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 9 07:27:06 2019. Incorrect. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 10 21:18:22 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Sep 9 17:13:22 2019. What is incorrect about my statement? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Sep 11 01:28:10 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 9 07:27:06 2019. That's my point, Vision Zero slowed down traffic in general, which slowed down buses.Part of the reason for lower speeds is because signals were re-timed and sometimes getting through more than 3 sequential green signals is a NYCDOT taboo these days. Also, you have all these for hire vehicles (TLC Plates) which travel 25MPH on the dot or slower, which throttles traffic, lowers throughput. They act like they're not the cause of congestion, they are. There are some signals where if you can get through them you can catch some green, but TLC plated vehicles, they don't care, now you're stuck at the red behind them and when your signal turns green, the next one turns red, and the cycle continues. "Traffic calming" is certainly not calming to the motorist. Slow bus rides make me regret the decision to use the bus in the first place, I'm sure I'm not the only one. There have been times I've boarded and wanted to alight almost immediately, but you're stuck until the next stop. The reason could be traffic, signals, schedule padding, etc, all of it sucks. One example, I saw an approaching bus while walking and jumped on in an attempt to get further down the road quicker to make a connection, but now the bus/(B/O) is sitting at a red signal or two and/or purposely anticipating yellow signals and prematurely stopping, I could have walked briskly or jogged instead! A lot of people make that determination the next time they have the option to use the bus, and ridership falls. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Sep 11 06:35:48 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 10 21:18:22 2019. The folks in planning at the MTA are reducing the number of stops to speed up service, not to cut costs. I am tired of hearing the conspiracies that railfans have that the MTA is using the redesigns to slash service. They are doing what they can with the constraint of being budget neutral. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Sep 11 07:53:00 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Sep 11 06:35:48 2019. I agree with you |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 11 09:15:50 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Sep 11 06:35:48 2019. As I’ve stated many times, the MTA is using the wrong parameters. The issue is how long it takes to make a trip, not how fast the bus travels. The two are very different. People are worse off is the bus saves two minutes, but it their trip takes four extra minutes to make.Also, the goal of the budget being neutral is also ridiculous. What company has ever made any money without making an investment? It’s not possible. They need to spend more money on providing more cost efficient service that increases patronage. The fact that paid patronage is constantly going down proves they are doing something incorrectly. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 11 15:05:09 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Sep 11 06:35:48 2019. Ridiculous.No such thing as being budget neutral if you are making "improvements",ESPECIALLY if you are out to make the riding experience improvement. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Sep 11 16:38:47 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 11 09:15:50 2019. Byford and others have advocated for more funding, but to no avail. I wish the money the mayor has found for ferries could go to these redesigns. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 11 18:05:41 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Network Redesign: Existing Conditions Report, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Sep 11 16:38:47 2019. It’s also ridiculous that none of the congestion pricing monies will go toward better operations. Instead some it will be squandered on needless capital improvements and more SBS. |
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