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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 8 16:16:11 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 8 13:00:52 2019. My proposal returns overnight service for the B57. There would be approximately 30 minute service on the B57, B38, B26, and B25 no overnight on the B54 or B52. Currently, the B54, B38, B52, B26 and B25 all operate at 60 minute headways. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Sun Dec 8 16:43:28 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 8 16:16:11 2019. While we are on the subject, can anyone explain why overnight service was instituted some years ago on the B59 (now Q59)? That route is mostly duplicated by the Q54 and Q58, both of which have 24-hour service; the main portion outside of that is the easternmost segment to Rego Park, which is primarily for shopping and doesn't seem to require overnight service. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 8 18:25:13 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 7 22:16:48 2019. For people who live in transit starves areas served only by buses, off hour and especially overnight headways on bus lines that intersect rapid transit lines should be the same as the headways of the rapid transit lines they intersect with. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 8 18:36:57 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 7 22:16:48 2019. I don't think with the current number of overnight riders and the MTA's budget situation and their willingness to provide service, there is any chance the MTA will double overnight service, although I wish they would. That's why I proposed what I did.The sad thing is that the planning service guidelines are a joke. When they were established in the late 1970s at the insistence of then City Council President Carol Bellamy because of the severe 1975 bus cuts, the minimum service that could be provided was ten minutes during rush hours and 20 minutes at other times. They were supposed to protect us from future cuts as were the guidelines of maximum walk of 1/4 mile to a bus route. When the MTA wanted to reduce overnight service to every 30 minutes, they first changed the overnight guidelines, then lowered service. They did the same thing when they cut overnight service to every 60 minutes, and minimum midday and evening service from every 20 to 30 minutes. Now they just ignore them with a few routes running at 75 minute intervals overnight. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 8 18:50:22 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 8 09:05:35 2019. Yes it is and I agree with you. The MTA seems to feel frequency is more preferable to coverage at all hours. I do t think you can prioritize either during the day. They are equally as important. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 8 22:32:37 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 8 18:36:57 2019. Yup.That is the B54 to a tee. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Mon Dec 9 02:39:44 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 7 22:16:48 2019. The correct answer, in each case, is that it depends on the operating environment.If there is a dense route structure (meaning that walking from one route to a parallel route is not unreasonable): if bus routes would otherwise operate on half-hour (or worse) headway intervals, then best to have fewer routes (i.e., a less dense route) and more frequent service on what remains, but if bus routes would otherwise operate on 20-minute (or better) headway intervals, then best to keep the routes as is. If there is not a dense route structure, then best to keep routes as is (since concentration of service on fewer routes would result in certain areas not having any effective bus service whatsoever). For overnight service, where travel distances are relatively long, then hourly service may be acceptable, with passengers using timetables to plan their journeys. But where travel distances are relatively short, then hourly service is not very useful, as the bulk of the "travel" time would likely be spent just waiting for the bus (and in many cases, it would be faster to walk to one's destination than to wait for the bus). |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 9 12:50:01 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by Snilcher on Sun Dec 8 16:43:28 2019. Because it passes by Grand Ave. Depot. Not all employees drive to work. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Mon Dec 9 16:55:20 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 9 12:50:01 2019. So it's a service provided exclusively for transit workers? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 9 21:37:32 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by Snilcher on Mon Dec 9 16:55:20 2019. No. It's a regular line route. The public can also ride it. 2 overnight buses on the route. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Tue Dec 10 17:07:50 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 9 21:37:32 2019. Of course I didn't mean to suggest it was exclusively for transit workers. But who else would be needing the overnight service that wasn't already provided by the Q54 and Q58, such that the MTA felt the need to institute it? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 11 11:57:57 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by Snilcher on Tue Dec 10 17:07:50 2019. Remember the R8x in the 1980s, the only express bus not to go to Manhattan. It made two trips in the morning arriving from SI to the front of NYCTA headquarters at 370 Jay Street at 8 and 9 AM and departed at 4 and 5 PM to precisely coordinate with TA shifts. It was specifically designed to TA employees although anyone else could ride it. |
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Posted by B1bus on Wed Dec 11 21:38:10 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 11 11:57:57 2019. X32? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 11 22:29:32 2019, in response to Re: My Proposed Brooklyn Bus Network redesign, posted by B1bus on Wed Dec 11 21:38:10 2019. When did that start running? |
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