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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 30 12:32:44 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 12:28:08 2016. But then - - 19 others followed suit with the first guy who ran out, north of the crosswalk after Mr. Rosen stopped. Am I getting this correct or what? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 12:37:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 30 12:32:44 2016. Yes. That would seem to be what he was saying. But he claims that the reason the first guy RAN into the street just outside the crosswalk was because his car was in the crosswalk. Which makes no sense. Because not only would the car have been in the crosswalk, but the car would have been moving! |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 30 12:49:33 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 12:37:36 2016. I see. So my sympathies to him would extend if while going through the crosswalk someone beyond the crosswalk ran out into his path, in which case he would have to stop and block it (and this scenario is at least conceivable given the especially wide width of the crosswalk in question), but when he says that the guy had to run "around" to get in front of the car, that makes me think he was trying to yield multiple times instead of the one time necessary at the threshold. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 30 12:51:53 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 12:37:36 2016. The guy running out is nothing new in NYC - - but I am in agreement that if he did ran out, then Allan would have slammed on the brakes.Again - - GauntletBus story. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:36:05 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 29 14:24:07 2016. Its not only acceptable, it's recommended except for some rare instances. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:39:52 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 29 17:20:51 2016. The road would have to be extremely empty and you would have to be going extremely fast for it to be possible with adequate clearing distances. Since there would be no reason to keep switching lanes when the road is do empty or to do over 100 mph on a highway, yes I am sure if you eliminate the above scenario. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:39:53 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 29 17:20:51 2016. The road would have to be extremely empty and you would have to be going extremely fast for it to be possible with adequate clearing distances. Since there would be no reason to keep switching lanes when the road is do empty or to do over 100 mph on a highway, yes I am sure if you eliminate the above scenario. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:41:24 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blv, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 29 17:24:35 2016. But you believe most people do respond. WRONG. Most readers do not respond. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:42:26 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 29 17:26:42 2016. So if that is not what you said, what did you say? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:42:53 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 29 21:48:39 2016. Your opinion. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:45:57 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 30 01:28:20 2016. I didn't say "running" because he only ran for the first second until he saw me slow down. Then he walked the rest of the way. It really was not that important.He was only running in case I did not slow down. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:53:51 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 30 07:25:35 2016. As I stated, when the signal turned green, no one in the first row realized it. They were either talking to their friends or on their phones. The people behind them who saw the light turn green if they did, couldn't really push them out of the way.Only after I began my turn, did they realize the signal had changed and they did not want to step into the crosswalk with me there and slowing down since they wouldn't be able to get around me anyway. So one person made his way to outside the crosswalk and started to run across. He slowed to a walk when he saw me slowing down. Then others started following him in single or double file until 20 had crossed. Then the next person decided to wait for me to clear the crosswalk about 10 seconds later. And then everyone crossed normally. How many times do I have to explain the same thing? It is really very plausible if you want to believe it did happen. If you don't, you will not be able to envision it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:58:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 30 12:32:44 2016. You are correct.I didn't mention the others crossing eastbound within the crosswalk because they are not relevent to the discussion. Just before I started to move again, I looked into my rearview mirror and noticed they were just reaching my car, so their movements were not impeded. I was just leaving as they were arriving. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 14:00:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 12:37:36 2016. It make total sense. He could have crossed within the crosswalk since I had just started to block it when he started running.He made a deliberate move to cross outside of it to give himself extra time so he would not have to run faster if I did not slow down. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 14:03:23 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 30 12:49:33 2016. As I said, he did not have to run around to get in front of the car. That part is incorrect.He could have crossed in the crosswalk if he wanted to but chose not to to give himself extra time as I stated above. He chose to cross outside the crosswalk because he had been positioned to cross inside the crosswalk. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 14:05:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 08:15:03 2016. I certainly do and already explained why I didn't mention it. Because he started running only for a second, then finished walking when he saw me slowing down. It really was not that relevent. Do you want me to mention the color of his shoes too? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 14:06:25 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 30 07:19:18 2016. Thanks. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 14:07:04 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 29 17:22:27 2016. bump |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 14:07:32 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:36:05 2016. So you admit that you were wrong? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 14:08:29 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 30 07:29:05 2016. What are you talking about?How would I have rammed 20 innocent pedestrians if they were in the crosswalk? If pedestrians were in the crosswalk, I would have not turned. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 14:08:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:39:52 2016. That's not what I was referring to. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 14:08:42 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:39:53 2016. That's not what I was referring to. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 14:10:25 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 29 17:20:51 2016. bump |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 14:12:37 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 30 07:31:13 2016. I said if pedestrians started entering the crosswalk after I started my turn, I would not have been able to stop.But why would someone step in front of a moving car they know cannot stop for them even if they tried unless they were suicidal? If they entered the crosswalk before I started my turn, I would not have starte to turn. It is be story told the same way each time which you are trying to manipulate and change TO GIVE THE ILLUSION I AM CHANGNG MY STORY WHICH I AM NOT. |
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Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 14:14:16 2016, in response to Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 30 07:20:24 2016. If he is waiting for people to cross, he has no choice but to obstruct the intersection. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 30 16:14:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:58:06 2016. So you left something else out which was part of the issue, the other people who were legally crossing the north side of 8th Ave towards the Regal theater. Brilliant, I would want to try to listen to you and hear your side but you giving bits and pieces of a story which makes no sense only tends you to have the name GauntletBus.And you turn you head to look for anything to your left as well are look at both side mirrors. You dont just use the rear view mirror to look at the pedestrians heading east on the crosswalk. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 10:47:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 14:07:32 2016. Bump |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 10:48:02 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 14:08:36 2016. Bump |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 10:48:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 14:08:42 2016. Bump |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 10:48:45 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:42:53 2016. No, pretty much fact. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 10:49:28 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blv, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:41:24 2016. I believe that? When did I say that? LIAR. I am not wrong. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 10:54:40 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:42:26 2016. I said what makes the most logical sense. Why would I tell you to run a red light? That's ridiculous. Pro tip: if your understanding of something I say is ridiculous, then you're probably misunderstanding me!What I OBVIOUSLY said was ONCE THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN, you immediately turn and you don't stop or wait UNLESS you have good reasons to, such as someone else has the right of way!!! This is basic stuff. Why do we need to tell you? Tear up your drivers license right now!!!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 10:56:25 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:45:57 2016. Wrong. It was a critical detail. It sort of begins to explain how he could have possibly gotten out into the street and ahead of your car and ahead of the crosswalk so quickly. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 10:57:34 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:53:51 2016. Could I borrow a left handed smoke shifter? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 11:21:03 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 30 16:14:36 2016. The people on the west side of the street either had not yet left the crosswalk or were about ten seconds or more away from approaching my car, so they are not relevant to the story.I told you everything that was relevant the first time. But all of you are just so intent on proving me wrong that you keep asking questions forcing me to expand the story even if what I add is not relevant, and then after I respond, you still find something to criticize because you are all so anti-car and driver and so pro-pedestrian, you just can't put your biases out of the picture for one moment. I would not like to see you on any type of jury because of your lack in objectivity. Someone on a witness stand does not undergo such intense scrutiny as you have put me under by reinterpreting, and misinterpreting everything I say. I never stated I only used my rearview mirror to look at pedestrians headed east on the sidewalk. I said that whi,D I was standing still waiting for the pedestrians to finish crossing, just as I was about to start driving again, I glanced into my rearview mirror and noticed the eastbound pedestrians first approaching my car so they weren't delayed at all. You somehow managed to turn that positive into a negative by inaccurately stating I never looked to see what the eastbound pedestrians were doing before that moment. That was not the case since I did look before I started driving where they were. I did turn m head and used all my mirrors. What are you going to ask me now? If my mirrors were properly adjusted? Give me a break. But I know with you all, that is not possible because of your lack of objectivity toward drivers and pedestrians. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 11:26:10 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blv, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 10:49:28 2016. You are not worth the time for me to look through a hundred of your past posts. We already had this discussion. You stated that everyone hear disagrees with me. I responded that many agree with me but do not respond. You then stated I was wrong and that most if not all people do respond to posts they read.Now you are backtracking, denying what you previously said and calling ME a liar. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 11:32:56 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 10:54:40 2016. You are sounding like a broken record.You need to tear up YOUR driver's license because you stated after I make my turn and there is no one in the crosswalk, I should just start driving immediately and keep on going no matter what. That was after I told you that a pedestrian stepped into the street outside the crosswalk and I stopped so as to be sure I would not hit him. You wanted me just to assume he would be able to outrun my car. YOU SAID NOTHING ABOUT ME STOPPING FOR HIM WHICH I DID. Just because I wanted to be safe and gave pedestrians two extra seconds to cross is no reason for me to tear up my license. But you assuming a pedestrian would outrun a car, not allowing for the possibility that he could trip or would not be fast enough IS A REASON FOR YOU TO TEAR UP YOUR LICENSE. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 13:46:33 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 14:00:59 2016. If you were the only car turning, he could have saved energy and lost a minimal amount of time and distance if he simply let you pass before crossing the street. That's one reason why the story seems very odd. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 13:49:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 14:05:59 2016. Wrong, it was 100% relevant. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 13:53:52 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blv, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 11:26:10 2016. I never said that. You're a liar. You obviously misunderstood or are outright lying. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 14:00:09 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 13:46:33 2016. Exactly.Why didn't he let me go first? He obviously was selfish and wasn't thinking. At the time, I also figured there probably were cars lined up behind me waiting to turn. But apparently there weren't, since the pedestrians were able to cross behind my car. Perhaps there was just space between my car and the following car who wanted to turn and he was just stuck on 42 St behind the stop line. Guess we will never know for sure. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 14:01:05 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 13:49:06 2016. So it was relevent and I just forgot to mention it. Happy now? Sue me. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 14:01:54 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 11:32:56 2016. Your first three paragraphs are wrong. So is your fourth. You should tear up your license for sitting at a green light for no good reason. I never said what you said in the rest of your fourth paragraph. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 14:02:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blv, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 13:53:52 2016. If I misunderstood, then you weren't very clear about it. I am not lying. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 14:19:41 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 14:00:09 2016. The fact that the peds crossed behind you is not any kind of indication as to whether you were the only car turning right. Even if there were cars right behind you wanting to turn, as soon as the peds started crossing, those cars would have to wait at the crosswalk threshold until it was safe to proceed. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 14:20:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 14:01:05 2016. Yes, I am happy now. No, I won't sue you. I don't take this place that seriously. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 14:22:09 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blv, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 14:02:20 2016. I was VERY clear. You may have reading comprehension issues, which we have suspected for a long time. I'm glad to hear you aren't lying though. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Oct 2 16:29:37 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 13:53:51 2016. I am not saying you are lying or made this story up. Your habit is leaving important details out. You now stated that a few pedestrians were carelessly on their cell phones while crossing the street. For that mayyer, the entire story is now making sense. |
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Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Oct 2 16:32:02 2016, in response to Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 30 14:14:16 2016. Correct. Only if the vehicle starred and did mot wait two seconds for them to start crossing the street. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Oct 2 17:11:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 2 11:21:03 2016. I never stated I was anti-car and pro pedestrian.When you stop to let pedestrians cross, you must look behind you with your side mirrors and turn to your left briefly. You don't just check your rear view mirror and proceed. |
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