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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 8 13:18:53 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:17:20 2016. Yes. I said "can be made". I didn't say that I was making the argument.The operative word here is "better." |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 8 13:21:27 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:18:28 2016. I never disagreed with what Henry is stating. |
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Re: Waiting for proof |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:22:38 2016, in response to Re: Waiting for proof, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 20:16:10 2016. But do you use just the peak hour or the entire peak which may be three or four hours?You shoukd survey the entire peak, but that doesn't mean you ignore weekends where the peak may actually occur on a Saturday at noon at one or more intersections. What the DOT did was to use only one peak hour four the entire AM and draw all its conclusions from that which was wrong. |
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Re: Proof supplied but ignored |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:24:25 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 15:28:28 2016. Yes I have not been offered a position but if one were offered, I would only accept under my terms, not theirs. Your second statement is your opinion and not shared by the MTA. |
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Re: Proof supplied but ignored |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:25:44 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 15:29:33 2016. Why would I give you three examples when you rarely even give one example. Both of you are very quick with the accusations. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:28:21 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 15:30:16 2016. None of his speculation is "informed". Him saying someone else would have caught the error if I hadn't had as much probability of occurring as me saying one day you will stop needlessly antagonizing posters here with your many nonsense posts and attacks, |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:29:45 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 15:32:43 2016. How did he show I didn't write the retraction? He didn't. You are posting your usual nonsense again. I clearly explained what happened. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:30:31 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 15:34:29 2016. I misunderstood nothing. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:31:37 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 7 22:33:45 2016. Owned. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri Jul 8 13:31:46 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:17:20 2016. That's weaselly. Even by your standards. |
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Re: Waiting for proof |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:36:52 2016, in response to Re: Waiting for proof, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 15:38:30 2016. He was saying I am an elitist by stating an argument COULD BE made that people's time who have higher incomes could be valued higher. I brought the courts into this BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO. So go and call them elitists also.I agree that in transportation planning EACH HUMAN TIME shoukd be valued EQUALLY. That was why I made my original post because DOT IS VALUING THE TIME OF BUS PASSENGERS GREATER than everyone else's by failing to consider the effects on cars and trucks. They point to how much time bus riders will save BUT FAIL TO ESTIMATE what the cost us to others. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:49:39 2016, in response to Re: Waiting for proof, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 7 15:40:52 2016. Left turns ARE NEEDED. There is no room to build jug handles in urban areas.Eliminating them is insane and DOT even realizes that now by restoring 20 of their 26 proposed bans. They changed their minds because they saw the error of their ways. YOU HAVE ZERO PROOF TO ASSERT THEY STILL THINK THEY ARE A GOOD IDEA. Pure speculation on your part. Proper planning does not mean you do something stupid as long as you can get away with it. If you believe government has the right to do anything it wants without the need for proper justification, as you stated by saying DOT has no obligation to prove more are helped than are harmed, you shouldn't be living in America. BECAUSE HERE THEY HAVE THAT OBLIGATION. Wow, now you want to see my diploma and transcript! Who the hell do you think you are that I wou,d have to prove that to you? You would only respond that it was Photoshoppec anyway if I presented you with proof. You really think I am dumb. Meanwhile, you didn't answer the question of which Planning school you attended? So now you spout nonsense like proper enforcement is my fault and not the responsibility of the project. Bus travel time and SBS ridership are the only metrics being used. The MTA even disregarded local ridership declines in their B44 analysis. They are ignoring passenger trip times, THE MOST IMPORTANT METRIC. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:51:19 2016, in response to Re: Waiting for proof, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 15:41:57 2016. You are his PR agent I see. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:54:42 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 7 15:44:02 2016. Guess you have never seen a sunset.You don believe I caught the $4 million error? So you are calling me a liar. That is what I expect from you. Meanwhile all you can do is baselessly criticize because you have no transportation accomplishments of your own. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:55:26 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 15:44:23 2016. People argued with it but no one disproved it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:59:43 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 7 15:45:17 2016. You didn't prove anything. DOT gave the number of all passengers using buses daily, about 30,000. THEY NEVER GAVE THE NUMBER OF THOSE IN CARS AND TRUCKS.What they did do is give the number of cars crossing a few specific intersections. You only get that one third of the roadway motorized users are bus riders BY ASSUMNG ALL CARS DROVE FROM THE BELT PARKWAY ALL THE WAY TO QUEENS BLVD without any cars turning on or off the roadway. Making some reasonable assumptions regarding cars turning on and off reduces the perecentage of bus riders from 33 percent to 20 percent. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:00:28 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 20:27:05 2016. And you are wrong. See my post above where I summarized the thread. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:03:30 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by fdtutf on Thu Jul 7 17:47:50 2016. And as I previously stated, planning is not that simple where you can make vast conclusions based on a single percentage without considering time of day, day of the week, seasonal fluctuations, etc. But you wouldn't know that having never attended Planning school. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:04:59 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 8 13:18:53 2016. No the operative is "can be made" |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:06:37 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 20:17:38 2016. Coming from you, that must be a joke. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:07:44 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 7 21:10:23 2016. All DOT gave IS the number of all passengers using buses daily, about 30,000. THEY NEVER GAVE THE NUMBER OF THOSE IN CARS AND TRUCKS.What they did do is give the number of cars crossing a few specific intersections. You only get that one third of the roadway motorized users are bus riders BY ASSUMNG ALL CARS DROVE FROM THE BELT PARKWAY ALL THE WAY TO QUEENS BLVD without any cars turning on or off the roadway. Making some reasonable assumptions regarding cars turning on and off reduces the perecentage of bus riders from 33 percent to 20 percent. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 8 14:11:08 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:07:44 2016. Your "reasonable" claims are not reasonable. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:15:01 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 8 13:21:27 2016. Here we go again with the backtracking.Now you state you never disagreed with Henry. You didn't reply to him specifically. You stated that those crossing at a red signal put no one else in danger. I relied that they do. Henry backed me up by providing more examples how so done crossing on a red signal DOES PUT DRIVERS IN DANGER. That is diametrically opposed to your statement that people crossing on the red puts no one else in danger. So I guess 2 + 2 also equals 3. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:19:17 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by fdtutf on Fri Jul 8 13:31:46 2016. There is nothing weasly about it because I stand by my point that everyone needs to be treated equally in transportation planning. That means there is no affirmative action to appease bike riders by installing bike lanes to help 1,000 maximum and inconvenience tens of thousands to do that. It means no bus lanes where they are not justified. It means that automobile drivers also count. It means bus riders count also. It also means you do not ignore cyclists and pedestrians needs either. As I stated, you treat everyone equally. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri Jul 8 14:19:44 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:03:30 2016. How do you know I've never attended planning school, smart guy? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri Jul 8 14:21:40 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:03:30 2016. And you're not really contradicting my point; you just think you are. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri Jul 8 14:22:54 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:07:44 2016. Making some reasonable assumptionsRIPTA asked for your calculation. "Some reasonable assumptions" isn't a calculation. As math teachers say, show your work. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 8 14:24:11 2016, in response to Re: Waiting for proof, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:22:38 2016. But do you use just the peak hour or the entire peak which may be three or four hours?You shoukd survey the entire peak, but that doesn't mean you ignore weekends where the peak may actually occur on a Saturday at noon at one or more intersections. As Brian said, "All of this info can be found in standard Transportation planning manuals from ITE and also in the NYC CEQR Manual, Chapter 16: Transportation" (and as I've said before, it's appalling that you pass yourself off as a veteran transportation planner yet don't know such basic concepts). From the CEQR Technical Manual, Section 332 - Determination of Peak Periods: "Generally, the same peak period is used for all transportation analyses. Each peak period is typically two to four hours. However, the actual analysis is performed for a shorter time period within the peak period, such as a peak hour or peak 15 minutes" And from Section 342.1 - Determination of the Peak Hour for Analysis Purposes: "For most proposed projects, the peak analysis hours are the same as the peak travel hours already occurring on study area streets, i.e., the specific one hour within the morning home-to-work and the late afternoon/early evening return trip rush hour... To determine prevailing peak hours in the study area, the source of existing traffic volumes may either be available through 24-hour Automatic Traffic Recorder (ATR) machine counts or new counts obtained from installed ATR machines." |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 8 14:24:14 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:15:01 2016. Henry did not make the statement that they are putting the drivers in danger. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 8 14:24:36 2016, in response to Re: Waiting for proof, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:22:38 2016. Almost forgot...What the DOT did was to use only one peak hour four the entire AM and draw all its conclusions from that which was wrong. ??? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri Jul 8 14:31:55 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 14:19:17 2016. Please. You were clearly asserting that drivers' time should be valued more highly, while using weasel words for deniability. And you say you don't understand why many of us don't trust you. |
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Re: Voice of Authority? |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Jul 8 14:45:57 2016, in response to Re: Voice of Authority?, posted by nostalgia on Fri Jul 8 08:53:58 2016. I read your apology and explanation. I will post a real response once I really read and digest it. We all have opinions, sometimes they stink, and nobody wants to hear that.What I will say is you DID NOT get 1/4 of how nasty I can be. As far as being part of a "gang", I hate to disappoint you but I'm a freelancer. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Fri Jul 8 14:51:35 2016, in response to Re: Voice of Authority?, posted by Cornell Park on Fri Jul 8 14:45:57 2016. I'm not disappointed you're not part of a gang. Your posts were intertwined with Goebbels gang and I came to the wrong conclusion were part of the gang. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jul 8 22:01:19 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 8 14:24:14 2016. I was only making a statement about overall danger, not other drivers specifically.It's always a judgement call when a dangerous situation occurs when things don't go according to the rules, or according to what is expected. Cutting off a truck or a bus creates a situation dangerous to many people (including others on the sidewalk, or bus passengers who may not have a seatbelt on). Cutting off another car is actually not a big deal, provided they are paying attention. Some dumbass (or a deer) jumps into the road and I have to swerve, I'm hoping the guy in the lane next to me has seen the situation and will slow down to allow me to enter. This situation often happens when passing cyclists - as I come up to a bike, the guy in the left lane (provided he's slightly behind me) will usually slow down a bit to allow me to partially encroach his lane and give the bicyclist room (at least that's how it goes here in Smallbany). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:07:54 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:15:28 2016. Yes, you are a liar. |
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Re: Waiting for proof |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:09:48 2016, in response to Re: Waiting for proof, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 8 14:24:11 2016. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:10:37 2016, in response to Re: Waiting for proof, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:22:38 2016. It's like I said and like RIPTA42HopeTunnel detailed. What don't you understand? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:12:28 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:24:25 2016. Thanks for admitting that I was correct - that you were not offered a position. It doesn't matter that you would only accept it under your terms because they DON'T WANT YOU!Of course it is my opinion but based on the fact that the MTA never offered to hire you implies that you are a terrible transportation planner. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:13:21 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:25:44 2016. I give examples all the time. You need to gives examples because you hardly ever give examples. You are so full of shit. R30A has done none of the things you claim he has! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:14:22 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:28:21 2016. Wrong. It's speculation but it's informed and not nonsense. Also, you often misunderstand what he writes. What you claim he said is often not what he actually said. He tells you this and you don't accept it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:14:49 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:29:45 2016. By posting it! It's clear it came from the editor and not from you! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:15:16 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 8 13:30:31 2016. Nope. You misunderstood. AGAIN. You misunderstand a lot. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 10 10:32:38 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:07:54 2016. We let others judge who is the liar. You have called people idiots, morons, liars, antisemites etc. You are constantly insulting others. I only do it in response to an insult. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 10 10:48:50 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:12:28 2016. Your assumption is that the MTA only hires qualified transportation planners. But that is not true. When I asked a question regarding a potential transfer between the Q53 and the B15 at a Woodhaven SBS meeting, the MTA person responding to me requested I ask my question to their "bus expert" who was also I the room.His response to me was "What is the B15?" And he did not even bring along a map to check. The truth is that many of their so called planners are not at all qualified. They once produced a report that confused "passenger" and "customers'. One table measured customers (those making a round trip) and another using "passengers" counting those making a round trip as two passengers. Then they compared the numbers in both tables treating passengers and customers as if they were the same leading to erroneous conclusions. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 10 10:50:01 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:13:21 2016. Give me one example where my conclusions and assertions regarding the B44 Progress Report was wrong. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 10 10:52:38 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:14:22 2016. He is the one who constantly changes what I write and accuses me of stating something I never said.I specifically stated that pedestrian deaths are important and do matter. And he keeps quoting me as saying pedestrian deaths do not matter. That is NLY one example. Then when you try to pin him down, he constantly changes his position. So you have the entire situation a little backwards. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 10 10:54:49 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:14:49 2016. The editor made the post because HE IS THE EDITOR. I did not have the power to edit articles. I informed the editor of the errors and instructed him how to make the corrections. ALL HE ADDED WAS AN APOLOGY.That's what I said before and I am saying again. Not my fault if you can't read English. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 10 10:55:47 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 10 02:15:16 2016. I am not going to repeat myself ten times. Learn to read English. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Sun Jul 10 11:21:22 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 10 10:32:38 2016. OWNED |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 10 14:05:57 2016, in response to Re: Hey Bus! Whineberg says he doesn't attack, posted by nostalgia on Fri Jul 8 11:43:11 2016. You. |
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