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why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 29 14:10:19 2016 if this is a repeat question im sorry.I've always wondered why NYC never bought the MCI classic for local or express service. I read in a newspaper article back in 1987 the only reason the city didn't was because they were already buying the TMC RTS model and din't want to compete with a order. I know these buses were ordered for Command,Jamaica(both local and express),Triboro,Queens Surface,Green(also some for local with 2 door),New York Bus Service and Liberty Lines. Why wasn't NYC in the order too? NYC was short buses and these could have been successful. |
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Posted by HART BUS on Wed Jun 29 14:31:08 2016, in response to why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 29 14:10:19 2016. Here's a guess on my part. Remember that back in 1987 and prior the PBL"S were subsidized by NYC while the City fleet was under the auspices of the MTA, a state agency.Perhaps it was felt the MCI couldn't produce enough Classics to keep up with the demand of a larger fleet. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Jun 29 14:41:24 2016, in response to why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 29 14:10:19 2016. NYCT wasn't really in the market for express buses at that time - they already had RTS's from the early to mid 1980's equipped with high-back seating. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 29 17:05:07 2016, in response to why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 29 14:10:19 2016. I also think that after the Grumman fiasco, the MTA was a bit gun shy about purchasing buses from what to the agency was an unknown manufacturer. Despite the fact that Grumman at the time had merged with Flxible, from whom the TA had purchased before, the Grummans proved to be a disaster so the MTA opted to stay with RTS which was part of GM and would only purchase buses from other manufacturers only after extensive testing of demos. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Jun 29 17:35:33 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 29 17:05:07 2016. Good points, but would've thought the MCI Classic would've been conseridered by NYCTA. Mechanically, it was an updated GMDD new look . Like many agencies the TA had plenty of GMC new looks and somehow... It may have made since to consider the Classic. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jun 29 17:56:59 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Jun 29 14:41:24 2016. PBLs got 102" Canadian Fishbowls, and then Classics, also from Canada, same lineage, but the line was sold to MCI. Was there some Buy American funding, or a buy something from the "Advanced Design Bus" family (like the RTS or 870) that affected TA and not PBLs. I don't know, but would not be shocked. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Jun 29 18:09:35 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 29 17:05:07 2016. Classics were a GM product. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Jun 29 18:11:26 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by WayneJay on Wed Jun 29 17:35:33 2016. The Classic was originally a GMDD product before being sold to MCI |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Jun 29 18:15:40 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by pragmatist on Wed Jun 29 17:56:59 2016. The Buy American clause is still in effect for Federal transit funding. But there is as there was then enough USA components in Canadian buses to meet the requirements. That is why GMDD, Nova, New Flyer and Orion could be purchased. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jun 29 18:21:16 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by northshore on Wed Jun 29 18:15:40 2016. Most of them agreed to build factories in the US also. Even Prevost final assembles next to their sister company Nova in Plattsburgh. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed Jun 29 19:05:08 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 29 17:05:07 2016. When the RTS was moved from the GMC plant in Pontiac MI to the TMC plant in Roswell NM, the RTS had to be retested all over again by NYCT/MTA, as they considered it a different bus due to the change in factory. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by Q4 on Thu Jun 30 12:26:59 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by pragmatist on Wed Jun 29 17:56:59 2016. I once asked basically this same question of someone I knew at NYCT many years ago and I recall his response was it had to do with NYCT having to go with an Advanced Design Bus due to their receiving Federal money for their Capital and Federal budgets and the Classic's didn't fit the criteria. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Jun 30 17:15:39 2016, in response to why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 29 14:10:19 2016. Strictly speaking, the city of New York did buy MCI Classic buses for local and express service. The city of New York purchased the buses by private companies, but did not purchase the buses used by TA/OA. Your question should probably be phrased as why the TA/OA never bought MCI Classic buses for itself. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 30 17:17:36 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Jun 29 19:05:08 2016. Probably like the Grummans. |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Jun 30 21:58:43 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by BusMgr on Thu Jun 30 17:15:39 2016. Good point. The private lines came under the jurisdiction of the NYC DOT. NYC DOT usually bought buses the privates operators wanted. |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Thu Jun 30 22:57:58 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by HART BUS on Wed Jun 29 14:31:08 2016. Maybe in the US market; IINM, there were a lot of Classics in Montreal and a few other Canadian cities (Calgary, Ottawa come to mind). |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by Kawasaki LRV Series 100 on Thu Jun 30 23:42:36 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by ctrabs74 on Thu Jun 30 22:57:58 2016. The Classic was intended for the Canadians, who weren't into the whole advanced design bus thing. I would imagine the Classic operators here in the states felt the same. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by OCTD 2039 on Fri Jul 1 00:24:07 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by northshore on Wed Jun 29 18:15:40 2016. New York should've brought Flyer D901s, Orion Is, and New Flyer D40s in addition to the RTS-04s and RTS-06s. |
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Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service |
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Posted by HART BUS on Fri Jul 1 10:32:51 2016, in response to Re: why were the MCI Classics never ordered for NYC regular service, posted by OCTD 2039 on Fri Jul 1 00:24:07 2016. Your proposal would also mean training mechanics and drivers on additional models. Would also be costly to stock many more spare parts. Look at the efficiency of Southwest Airlines as an example. They only fly Boeing 727's. They can buy larger quantity of parts at a discount. |
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